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Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:51:00 - [31] So you say you cant get an even fight in your alliances prime time, well then, why not take 15 of your pilots in our prime time and fight 15 of ours? A mini-fleet engagement, the fact is you wont because you rarely fight us even if you have superior numbers.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Flaming sambuka So you say you cant get an even fight in your alliances prime time, well then, why not take 15 of your pilots in our prime time and fight 15 of ours? A mini-fleet engagement, the fact is you wont because you rarely fight us even if you have superior numbers. You misread me. I don't give a damn about fair fights. Fairness is for duels between friends; this is a war. I was only saying that if Tassi wants to claim superiority based on a fleet operating at one time of day, he might as well claim loss based on it, looking at another time of day. (For the record, I never comment the typical smacktalk of the no-undock, never-engage, logoffski, stabbing n00b, etc nature. I could easily say "did not!" or "you do too!", but my experience is that there is no point. Every hunter has the tendency to interpret their own tactics as courage and cunning, and the enemy's tactics as cowardice, stupidity, and cheating. Any further such taunts I will simply ignore.) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Larkonis Trassler Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:29:00 - [33] Ha! Even in your peak time complete lack of spine is shown by your pilots! Just last night a small INFOD gang (of around 4-5 Frig-BC) with one ganged friendly were roaming in the Half area and a significant NMTZ gang of around 10 mixed Cruisers and BC with superior EWAR capabilities was spotted. They did not even attempt to engage us. Instead they cowered in safe spots until we left the system. Or indeed when our blockade of Hedalofarber with noob ships did not elicit a respons for at least five minutes, the time it took for you to realise that we posed very little threat. Following this engagement we came under a great deal of smacktalk 'Post your Lossmails!' 'INFOD DEFEATED!' etc etc, the NMTZ members reveling in local over their glorious victory over a dozen rookie frigates and a single Iteron Mk 1. Pathetic. ------------ Request for Privateer Sticky! Keep the forums clean!
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:36:00 - [34] Yarr, i remember a few smackers yelling "see we do fight" and along the like, but when we return in a battleship fleet (not a blob, this was an equal force) where were the namtards and 5th column nublets, they had all docked!
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:40:00 - [35] The above are perfect examples of the type of useless, subjective smacktalk I was talking about, above. Thank you, gentlemen. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Dark' Lord Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:23:00 - [36] ok i'd like to say that NMTZ claim not to be able to put up larger gng in our prime time but it is a pathetic excuse considering they share same HQ as our other war targets 5th column and all their little allied corps that hang around in hedal, that even all of them cant get a gang to match ours we even know some of your cap pilots are on at these times and you guys still stay docked and revert to smack talking in local not saying we don't but it happens can't help that. Also why put our pos into reinforced if you never finish the job you guys dont gain anything from it we dont loose anything realy and it cost you guys ships whats the point?
Cz Ire Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.04 03:16:00 - [37] I typically stay out of the INFOD higjacked threads, but since there seems to be so many of them... Yes, INFOD gangs up into large t2 bs blobs and fly around, and we typically dont engage them. When we blob up, they too typically dont engage us. Yes, there is a time zone diffrence, that is kind of annoying. NMTZ is also not a pure combat pilot organization. Just because you see x number of us in local doesnt mean those are combatants. Not to mention infod are not the only pirates that we hunt down - sometimes we dont have the time to play safespot tag or catch the cloaker with them when we have another threat on the radar elsewhere. Considering INFOD is under internal standing orders to only fly cloakers or inties when not blobbed up, we typically only get to pop their t2 battleships. so yes, their numbers look better, but I have to wonder at how much more their losses are affecting your modes of operation and tactics. Not to mention weve noticed a fair amount of "missed" lossmails on infod boards, not that we care too much. we look at our boards, they look at theirs, and the neutrals wonder what the real story is and who can sustain takeing losses. Referring to another thread here, but Im sure that half the galaxy knows foundation and are haveing a good laugh at infod calling them pirates. Yes, NMTZ works with several other antipirate alliances, and I am damned proud to call foundation and G0rg0n freinds, likewise with 5thc and EM, and all the independants who aid us. Im not ashamed to use my allies when I fight, just like infod like to call in mercs (props to FUCO, Im sorry i didnt get much chance to go up against you, was looking forward to another go) and ally with other pirates (if only for short periods. too bad for them their "hegfunden pact" seems to have such a high turnover rate.) But, honestly, the truth of the matter here is that INFOD are the only serious dedicated pirate threat left in the region. You ARE one of the most powerful pirate corporations out there. Im not above admitting what we are up against. However, I wonder what the 3rd parties are thinking when your spending so much time and effort trying to bash us "bunch of nmtztard nubblets" - as I remember being called recently - on the public forums. We will not stop fighting you pirates and nbsi-ers in these areas, regardless of your smacktalk prowess, or your propaganda attempts. Regardless of whatever percentage you use to try to make some point. Regardless of what corp or alliance our members move to and from. The residents of these parts know who we are and what we stand for, and we do not stand alone. (and sorry to dissapoint you, but I probibly wont be checking up on this thread to read the inevitible flood of infod trolling.) Cz Ire --- "They saw the long road, the harder road. The road that would ensure what we had gained in the vicious rebellion would not be squandered... our freedom." - Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir
Tolarus Aonyma Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.04 08:35:00 - [38] Edited by: Tolarus on 04/04/2007 08:36:54 I always find it interesting when INFOD refers to us as 'cowards'. Sense when is it cowardice to deny your enemy kills? I know INFOD are hyper actively fond of throwing numbers around but as CZ already pointed out in his post, theres really no reason to repeat the true facts the were already stated. I'm sorry if our tactics frustrate you, as is completely evident to anyone who reads what you post here on galnet or spew on local comms every time something doesn't happen the way you intended it to, which I might add in regards to your inability to attain your own desirable results, has been occurring with increasing regularity. This is a war and unless something monumental has occurred beyond meeting the simple requirements on warfare that are in accordance with Condcords demands, there are no rules beyond that, no demands that require us to bring 'x' number of ships and ships types to a specific location and time simply to appease you. I'm not aware of any Condord regulations that require us to play by your rules. We're continuing and will continue to have significant successes against your operations. A lot of your pilots also seem to enjoy bringing up the status of your POS. Well if it makes you feel better that we haven't decided to destroyed it, yet, then I guess that does gives you something small boast about.
50freefly Caldari Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.04 08:57:00 - [39] I was not there, but looking at our killboards it looks like we took on the blob last night and wreaked havoc... Good fights have been happening lately, and that is not sarcastic. I have noticed that your attitudes toward this war have become more mature every day, and for that I am grateful. This war could end up being some fun after all! Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.04 09:17:00 - [40] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 04/04/2007 09:17:11 Originally by: Dark' Lord ok i'd like to say that NMTZ claim not to be able to put up larger gng in our prime time but it is a pathetic excuse considering they share same HQ as our other war targets 5th column and all their little allied corps that hang around in hedal, that even all of them cant get a gang to match ours Considering that from the timestamps this seems to be posted two hours after a combined fleet of 5thC and allies (including NMTZ) decimated an INFOD prime time fleet operation, it sure casts a weird light on INFOD internal communicatios. I guess Tassi should have claimed the victory based on those "unstoppable trains" yesterday, like I recommended he quickly does. The tide is turning and it might very well be it is now permanently too late for that line. To keep the statistics-comparing people happy: after this morning's syncing of the killboards and checking our data, NMTZ efficiency over the whole war as per our data is at 45 percent, the efficiency since the FUCO war retraction at 86. I have no real reason to assume that allies do any worse than us. (INFOD board shows worse statistics, mostly due to a lag in their posting everything. This is an advantage of having a protected board: people post their losses faster and more reliably, when they know it will not be advertised to the whole universe. ;) I also regret that after my possible changing of alliances I will most likely be unable to post these updates.) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."

BlackRevenge Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 09:53:00 - [41] Edited by: BlackRevenge on 04/04/2007 09:50:58 Indeed, seems you guys came for a fight last night, and i did missed it. Not that i call a 10 Bs gang(at max) a fleet operation. For stats INFOD KB Although one fight doesn't win a war, i do hope this is a sign of things to come, not that you will always win, but you will stay for a fight instead of running to empire or docked ASAP. As far as KB goes, I never seen an INFODIAN have issues with posting his losses, you see we are pvp based corporation, and we all know victories come and go, and sure we can loose ships and fights. Thats the fun of the game. Do hope you guys fight more from now on
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.04 09:59:00 - [42] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 04/04/2007 09:59:05 Forum rules forbid me from posting killmails or discussing their details. I will be glad to point you to the errors I have noticed if you contact me via evemail, though. I know it is considered important for every fighter organization to get as good coverage of data as possible, and I am very willing to help you with that, no strings attached. I would have no idea if this due to lag in posting, oversight, or something else. Errors there are, but that is no proof of purposeful twisting of statistics; if I implied such, I am sorry. No data is ever perfect and mistakes and omissions happen - which is why I keep on checking ours before publishing any figures. (Standard smacktalk about not fighting enough and whatever ignored as usual.) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Dark' Lord Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 10:18:00 - [43] Edited by: Dark'' Lord on 04/04/2007 10:16:16 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 04/04/2007 09:17:11 Originally by: Dark' Lord ok i'd like to say that NMTZ claim not to be able to put up larger gng in our prime time but it is a pathetic excuse considering they share same HQ as our other war targets 5th column and all their little allied corps that hang around in hedal, that even all of them cant get a gang to match ours Considering that from the timestamps this seems to be posted two hours after a combined fleet of 5thC and allies (including NMTZ) decimated an INFOD prime time fleet operation, it sure casts a weird light on INFOD internal communicatios. I guess Tassi should have claimed the victory based on those "unstoppable trains" yesterday, like I recommended he quickly does. The tide is turning and it might very well be it is now permanently too late for that line. To keep the statistics-comparing people happy: after this morning's syncing of the killboards and checking our data, NMTZ efficiency over the whole war as per our data is at 45 percent, the efficiency since the FUCO war retraction at 86. I have no real reason to assume that allies do any worse than us. (INFOD board shows worse statistics, mostly due to a lag in their posting everything. This is an advantage of having a protected board: people post their losses faster and more reliably, when they know it will not be advertised to the whole universe. ;) I also regret that after my possible changing of alliances I will most likely be unable to post these updates.) Yes i did know about 5thc and ntz gnaking a 10 man gng with there blob but i dont care about that it's you who say you can't put up the numbers yet when there is only 10 of us in a gang suddenly you can pull a 30man gang together with cap ship support. I like to say we never asked fury to get involved in this they just dont like you i guess.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.04 10:26:00 - [44] Originally by: Dark' Lord Yes i did know about 5thc and ntz gnaking a 7man gng with there blob but i dont care about that it's you who say you can't put up the numbers yet when there is only 7 of us in a gang suddenly you can pull a 30man gang together with cap ship support. 7-man? There were more kills in that incident than that. So let me get this straight; based on INFOD latest comments: When you have a 30 man gang we cannot match in numbers and we dock, we are weak and cowardly. When we have a 30 man gang you cannot match and you dock, we are ebil boring blobbers. When you attack our small gangs with superior force, you are overwhelmingly powerful. When we attack your small gangs with superior force, we are ebil boring blobbers. Thank you for proving the point I said above. And on that note, this is quite enough. Anyone with half a mind can see through your whining and smacktalk, and the statistics speak for themselves. I don't think I have anything more to add to this conversation. Cheers, until my next 'war situation update', which might very well be posted in quite different circumstances. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Dark' Lord Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 10:29:00 - [45] Originally by: 50freefly I was not there, but looking at our killboards it looks like we took on the blob last night and wreaked havoc... Good fights have been happening lately, and that is not sarcastic. I have noticed that your attitudes toward this war have become more mature every day, and for that I am grateful. This war could end up being some fun after all! yes you call a 10 man gng a blob then you are an idiot we went and got still fewer numbers and came for a fight but as usual you gusy ran off docked and logged all we want is a fight mainly as you guys started it and yet don't comit to fights or even attempt to get them just small ganks which doesn't effect us. And to reply with another post you aparently have not chosen to destroy our pos i say it's cause you can't you attack when we have like no pilots online then feel big casue you put it into reinforced but then are to scared, don't have the numbers or know that you will loose everything if you come back to try and finish the job.
Souvera Corvus Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.04 11:45:00 - [46] It's getting tremendously dull to have the constant 'Coward' or 'blob' refrain flung at you in ignorance of a universal truth. Which is this....... Both sides in this war seek engagement when the balance of forces is in their favour. To do anything else is reckless. There have been several contributions from INFOD which recognise this but it would seem that there are elements of INFOD, who, in the face of mounting losses, would seem to be intent on continuing upon the juvenile line so convincingly illustrated by Elsebeth Rhiannon. The fact remains that if your foe is largely staffed by cringing cowards and strutting blob merchants and you are still getting your arse handed to you on occasion, then it says very little about you, especially when you tout yourself as the best pirate fleet in Molden Heath. Were you to recognise, even for a minute that you face an enemy as implacably comitted to victory as yourself then maybe, just maybe, there would be honour to be gained from defeat. Your current approach does not allow for this. In denigrating an opponent who has demonstrated that they are capable of defeating you in engagement you deny yourself any honour that may come from the recognition that conflict is hard fought and even harder won. I have lost ships in this conflict and I have destroyed ships in this conflict and it has never occurred to me to treat any of my enemies with any less respect than someone who emerges in a fully T2 fitted Megathron deserves. Courage and caution are not mutually exclusive commodities. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
Siobhan Ni Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 11:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon 7-man? There were more kills in that incident than that. There's an easy way to sort this out. Make your KB public and get it synced up with ours. It's easy to do. So any kills you get will appear on our board as a loss.
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 12:05:00 - [48] Originally by: Souvera Corvus Were you to recognise, even for a minute that you face an enemy as implacably comitted to victory as yourself then maybe, just maybe, there would be honour to be gained from defeat. There is no honour in defeat! Honour in defeat is what loosers claim excists to soften the blow.
Souvera Corvus Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.04 12:11:00 - [49] Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 04/04/2007 12:08:52 Originally by: Dr Kojak Originally by: Souvera Corvus Were you to recognise, even for a minute that you face an enemy as implacably comitted to victory as yourself then maybe, just maybe, there would be honour to be gained from defeat. There is no honour in defeat! Honour in defeat is what loosers claim excists to soften the blow. Count the recent losses suffered as hard as you wish then. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
50freefly Caldari Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:56:00 - [50] Originally by: Dark' Lord Originally by: 50freefly I was not there, but looking at our killboards it looks like we took on the blob last night and wreaked havoc... Good fights have been happening lately, and that is not sarcastic. I have noticed that your attitudes toward this war have become more mature every day, and for that I am grateful. This war could end up being some fun after all! yes you call a 10 man gng a blob then you are an idiot we went and got still fewer numbers and came for a fight but as usual you gusy ran off docked and logged all we want is a fight mainly as you guys started it and yet don't comit to fights or even attempt to get them just small ganks which doesn't effect us. And to reply with another post you aparently have not chosen to destroy our pos i say it's cause you can't you attack when we have like no pilots online then feel big casue you put it into reinforced but then are to scared, don't have the numbers or know that you will loose everything if you come back to try and finish the job. You HAD to destroy my last point, didn't you... Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.

Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:00:00 - [51] I am very confident that Namtz'aar k'in has a handful of good fighters. Although none of them is posting in this thread.
Dark' Lord Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:25:00 - [52] Originally by: 50freefly Originally by: Dark' Lord Originally by: 50freefly I was not there, but looking at our killboards it looks like we took on the blob last night and wreaked havoc... Good fights have been happening lately, and that is not sarcastic. I have noticed that your attitudes toward this war have become more mature every day, and for that I am grateful. This war could end up being some fun after all! yes you call a 10 man gng a blob then you are an idiot we went and got still fewer numbers and came for a fight but as usual you gusy ran off docked and logged all we want is a fight mainly as you guys started it and yet don't comit to fights or even attempt to get them just small ganks which doesn't effect us. And to reply with another post you aparently have not chosen to destroy our pos i say it's cause you can't you attack when we have like no pilots online then feel big casue you put it into reinforced but then are to scared, don't have the numbers or know that you will loose everything if you come back to try and finish the job. You HAD to destroy my last point, didn't you... ofc dude :P i don't care about this fora suff it's just fun to see the replys. As you guys take it very serious, well ou are an exception but for the most part you guys do. The simple facts are infod have killed more than lost which means so far we win but all we want are fights but you guys don't give ok timezone problems but even on weekends you guys hide in stns which is sad if you guys can't put up any defence during euro/early us timezones thn i suggest packing up and sitting in rens for the rest of your eve time it has the same effect but better market :P.
Dark' Lord Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 04/04/2007 10:23:45 Originally by: Dark' Lord Yes i did know about 5thc and ntz gnaking a 7man gng with there blob but i dont care about that it's you who say you can't put up the numbers yet when there is only 7 of us in a gang suddenly you can pull a 30man gang together with cap ship support. 7-man? There were more kills in that incident than that. So let me get this straight; based on INFOD latest comments: When you have a 30 man gang we cannot match in numbers and we dock, we are weak and cowardly. When we have a 30 man gang you cannot match and you dock, we are ebil boring blobbers. When you attack our small gangs with superior force, you are overwhelmingly powerful. When we attack your small gangs with superior force, we are ebil boring blobbers. When you gank us in small-scale engagements, you are great fighters and cunning tacticians. When we gank you in small-scale engagements, we are being boring gankers who cannot raise a fleet. Thank you for proving the point about the tendency to see your way, above. And on that note, this is quite enough. Anyone with half a mind can see through your whining and smacktalk, and the statistics speak for themselves. I don't think I have anything more to add to this conversation. Cheers, until my next 'war situation update', which might very well be posted in quite different circumstances. you missed the point completely i was saying that its just such a coincidence that in our prime time when we have a small gang you guys suddenly have the numbers to take on our usual gangs i was glad to see you gusy had a gang of that many thought you had grown some balls and were willing to fight but soon as we come back in a similar sized gang yours docks/logs/runs off. so now i think its just bull** about you guys not being able to put up the number we do i just say you guys know you aren't good enough to win or you are just to *** to try.
Larkonis Trassler Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:43:00 - [54] TBH I find all this bickering laughable... INFOD will go out looking for a fight and will commit even if the outcome is not crystal clear. NMTZ however will only ever engage if they have the forces (and the allies with them I might add, I have not to this day seen a NMTZ gang engage without 5th column or Foundation support in the vicinity if not within the gang) to guarentee victory by a significant margin. This is the fundamental difference between our two organisations. INFOD pilots are loyal to one another and the corp. If ships must be sacrificed for the greater good and to ensure victory then so be it. NMTZ pilots do not feel the same way at all. The individual is out to protect his ship before the gang. If an INFOD operation goes wrong I have no doubt that the pilots would stand and fight and take down as many of the enemy as possible rather than run. In contrast with NMTZ who when faced with overwhelming odds will soil their breeches and break combat leaving pilots to their deaths. This is why we will win this war. ------------ Request for Privateer Sticky! Keep the forums clean!
Tolarus Aonyma Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:23:00 - [55] Edited by: Tolarus on 04/04/2007 18:23:32 Quote: INFOD will go out looking for a fight and will commit even if the outcome is not crystal clear. NMTZ however will only ever engage if they have the forces (and the allies with them I might add, I have not to this day seen a NMTZ gang engage without 5th column or Foundation support in the vicinity if not within the gang) to guarentee victory by a significant margin. Again with this fair fight nonsense, war isn't fair friend, its a dirty business that evolves more then just beating your chest and throwing verbal temper tantrums when no one wants to play with you. Victory by significant numbers, well thats pretty much the golden rule for all wars that have ever been fought throughout recorded history, overwhelming force, to guarantee victory to the highest degree possible while minimizing the threat to your own forces. Its quite simple really. You'll continue to see multi-alliance forces working together, we're good like that. :) This is no longer just a NMTZ affair, something your finding out more and more as each day passes. Quote: INFOD pilots are loyal to one another and the corp. If ships must be sacrificed for the greater good and to ensure victory then so be it. NMTZ pilots do not feel the same way at all. The individual is out to protect his ship before the gang We are both basically the same really no matter how you may try to spin it. Loyalty has never been an issue with us, ever. Sacrificing low cost ships in order to bag much higher value targets, the pilots who fill those roles have earned the highest level of respect for their loyalty. And again I point to the large multi-alliance fleets working together, there are no individuals, its a unit that has repeatedly proven very effective against you. Quote: If an INFOD operation goes wrong I have no doubt that the pilots would stand and fight and take down as many of the enemy as possible rather than run. In contrast with NMTZ who when faced with overwhelming odds will soil their breeches and break combat leaving pilots to their deaths. This is why we will win this war. What operation ever goes exactly as planned? If engaged, the battle is set, once contact is made there is only one direction to go so good or bad, if it turns out that one side feels it may be losing the upper hand, attempting to disengage is not a sign of cowardice, its called common sense. Seeing a larger enemy force approaching from a distance and then evading it serves two very effective purposes, denying your enemy targets and causing them a certain degree of frustration, in the case of this current conflict a very high degree of frustration, again as evident by your postings here and especially in local comms. Making a claim that you will win this war is commendable of you but its never wise of anyone to predict the future especially in warfare. I do agree with one thing, these heated discussions have started to become rather meaningless, a war of words really proves nothing, even though INFOD continues to rely on them quite heavily. So having said that I really have nothing more to add to this topic. But I can honestly say that I have enjoyed this roundabout discussion, I've found it to be most, enlightening.
Dark' Lord Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:53:00 - [56] Edited by: Dark'' Lord on 04/04/2007 18:49:56 ok you speak as if weve never fought war before we don't expect fair fights especially now after the enitial engagements where there was what you would call equal fights where you guys fleets were completely crushed which if you carried on attempting to fight as in head on fleets would have wasted your resources and destroyed morale but recently it has been sad not seeing any attempt at this last night looked like you guys were going to try it one more time and gd on 5thc for using a cap ship but again soon as we arrived in near similar numbers you guys ran off which was dissapointing to say the least but if those small victories is what you need to build up the confidence to try and take us head on again we will be willing to throw crappy ships at you for a while :D. But ayway im still having fun in this war when we do see you guys also fun seeing people run for the stns in hedal when we enter and you guys shouldnt take the smack talk 2 heart tis all abit of fun :P so gl with the rest of the war and all that :P
dabster Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 20:05:00 - [57] Originally by: Cz Ire Considering INFOD is under internal standing orders to only fly cloakers or inties when not blobbed up, we typically only get to pop their t2 battleships. Cz Ire I must have missed that memo! Dont tell my superiors please ___________________________ Trust In Rust!
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.04 20:14:00 - [58] Dabster, this is the last time you fail to read corp mails! Next time you will be subject to a forcefull "check-in".
Mithrindar Caldari Fury Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.04 23:28:00 - [59] Edited by: Mithrindar on 04/04/2007 23:30:22 Edited by: Mithrindar on 04/04/2007 23:25:27 Just to clear something up here I see a reference to Fuco mercing for infod, erm as was stated at the beggining of our war it was a little vacation for us. Don't jump to conclusions, yes we have infod set to blue. No isk changed hands not even an exotic dancer or three, we were in the area and decided to have some fun. After all a small corp vs an alliance normally brings out some good fights, normally outnumbered . As for the ship estimated isk loss - well we do like our expensive toys , our campaign shows 32 NMTZ kills to our 10 losses inclusive of pods. hopefully it will be another clean and honourable war next time Fury website
Grant Smith Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:11:00 - [60] *BREAK BREAK BREAK* Ok here goes: 5thC/NMTZ have a 30 man gang - If INFOD dont have the numbers to match we won't engage - ACCEPTED HOWEVER - We will try and manipulate your gang to our advantage, how, will be withheld. INFOD have a 30 man gang - NMTZ/5thC very rarely engage regardless. Example : INFOD gang jumps into Handlebar - 50 in local as it is, 30 man INFOD gang jumps in but nooone can pull a gang to counter it. Accepted - maybe not everyone in local is a main. Accepted - maybe not everyone in local is a PvP char. BUT SURELY: If someone of whom you have living around Handlebar isn't willing to defend for the space they use, they aren't worth having around? As I see it: IF NMTZ/5thC gang approaches INFOD, INFOD will respond with a gang of equal or greater size - thats just natural and part of how we play. (No point in engaging in a gang of which is destined to lose) IF INFOD gang approaches "NMTZ/5thC space" - No one fights and INFOD pilots get bored waiting in local, smack arises in local, banter starts flying. Forum wars continue. Im not being a *****, but, ok, I accept noone is going tp fight in a "definate lose-lose situation". However the fact of the matter, unless NMTZ/5thC out-do us by a ratio of 2:1, i could put $10 on them not engaging an INFOD fleet. G out. o> --- G o> INFOD Director. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0703/beta1.jpg



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