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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 24/12/2003 10:42:53
I am hearing stories of corps in other areas, easily farming and managing NPCs (and mining still in 0.0).
We in lonetrek, Guristaville, are being royally ass wipped.
This is an exact situation.
7 Battleships enter a belt.
They are targetted 1 by 1, and face a barrage of missiles like you couldnt even imagine. A couple of 1mill isk or 500isk Raven takes down an opposing BS in less than 20 seconds from the 1st missile hitting, they fire a missile every 1 second from there 6 launchers.
Match that with the Tech 2 Moas and Caracals, and it really is ridiculous. From those 7 bs, 3 return, all in their armour, and confirmed NPC kills from the 18 seen in the belt = 2
Yet in other areas, vs Serpentines etc, it really isnt the case.
Laser, Hybrid, projectile based NPC, are manageable.
Why is the Vewnal area (0.0 space in Lonetrek) being so severely punished in comparison to the rest of the universe?
What are others thoughts?
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syndic4te
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:46:00 -
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lol, thats why u were flying in a shuttle
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Helgu
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:48:00 -
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Seems to me to be an illustration that missiles are over-powered.
On another note regarding missiles, I seem to be getting hit by missilies even though they have previously impacted on an asteroid. Add to that the fact that light missiles hit me at 60, 70 and 80km away from their firers and you have a whole kettle of b0rked. Time to get back to work Tom. |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:51:00 -
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I have never lost a ship to NPC Huff boy :)
And dont even own a shuttle.
Your eyes must have been glazed when you saw my name, probs tears for your lost comrades at the hands of KIA :)
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:54:00 -
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Seems to me to be an illustration that missiles are over-powered.
Don't get someone to nerf my primary weapon on 3 of my 4 ships, thanks.
The only thing that's overpowered are the NPCs.
So if the Blood/Sansha's did 300 damage per laser, 6 turrets, every second, the solution would be to nerf lasers? Come on.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:57:00 -
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NO WAY they should nerf Missiles.
Its the NPCs that need sorting. The belts in Guristas territory, need nerfing.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2003.12.24 11:37:00 -
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Uh oh..
/em watches for the "NVA are being pwned by npcs bahahaha n00bs" replies.
Merry xmas.
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Valeria
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Posted - 2003.12.24 12:11:00 -
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Lmao, NVA is being pwned by NPCs.
No, this is a pretty serious issue. In other areas people are getting rich, in Guristas space, people are dying. A Raven fireing a missile every 1 second? Come on, with lvl 5 Caldari Bship and lvl 5 Missile Ops and H-50 'Arbalest's you can get it down to 1.33 sec on a Raven... what the hell are those Guristas using?
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.12.24 12:22:00 -
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Well in my opinion The missile using NPC were always much harder.
However i must say that the seprentis are tough now too, they used mwd or ab, dont know anyway they move fast and when close , they really hit hard.
Maybe they are still easier then yours NPC , would have to try..
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loladoll
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Posted - 2003.12.24 12:26:00 -
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what the hell are those Guristas using?
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.24 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 24/12/2003 12:50:39
I dont know about you guys, but erhmmm on chaos my butt got kicked all over the place in serpentis area by 20 npc's who took down my TANKED raven with all the l33t goods in under 15-20 seconds.
I think its a mather of tactics.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.12.24 12:55:00 -
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1 Raven vs 20, no surpise, lets take 7 armed BS into 20 Serpentis, and see the result.
Please leave the "set your ship up correctly" bs out of this post, KIA know how to set our ships up.
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Valeria
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Posted - 2003.12.24 12:55:00 -
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We were easily farming Serpentis with an Apoc and a Raven. Before that we tried Guristas though, and we both had to run away with heavy armor damage without even taking down a single NPC.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.24 13:04:00 -
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Please leave the "set your ship up correctly" bs out of this post, KIA know how to set our ships up.
Did i implied this?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.24 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 24/12/2003 14:18:29
"A Raven fireing a missile every 1 second? Come on, with lvl 5 Caldari Bship and lvl 5 Missile Ops and H-50 'Arbalest's you can get it down to 1.33 sec on a Raven... what the hell are those Guristas using?"
... The missile RoF for Guristas ship is actually 2.5 seconds... meaning it can fire 6 missiles every 15 seconds which i think is quite comparable to player-controlled Raven with 6 launchers? o.O
(oh, and it seems they use thermal missiles while the other missile types are fired far less often so... slightly different hardener setup could be in order, perhaps?..)
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Toulak
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Posted - 2003.12.24 14:14:00 -
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However i must say that the seprentis are tough now too, they used mwd or ab, dont know anyway they move fast and when close , they really hit hard.
Combine that with 2 or 3 Ravens or Scorps firing cruise missiles every 2 secs (possible 30 - 40+ missiles speeding towards you)
And you'll get a rough idea of how hard the Guristas are.
They too use MWDs and ABs to get real close and hammer you from 10km away if you dont run.
If the Devs are to change em, I hope they make it so they dont fire at a ridiculous rate, but still make em a challenge.
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Kozak
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Posted - 2003.12.24 14:31:00 -
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The blood raiders are not any easier. About 20 spawn with 3 bs's and about 15+ mallers. The apocs use 8 tachyons. There is no way to easily take them on.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2003.12.24 15:16:00 -
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Had a corpmate get hit for like 650 by a tyrant(Sansha) They aren't "easy" unless you are well prepared and have sufficient numbers.
Haven't tried gurristas though. Do these ravens run turrets at all? Would mounting 3-4 med smartbombs take care of the missile spam?
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Artegg
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Posted - 2003.12.24 16:13:00 -
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Myself and 2 of the other KIA guys warped in to a belt and i lagged i came out after about 10 secs with the KIA guys telling me a was pretty much dead as they saw what they can only decsribe as a wall of missles. I did infact manage to get out with 13% left on my ship even with a large booster and 2 amps with a em hardner on i did not have a chance.  This problem needs to be addressed asap before more poeple lose their ships. BTW i still have not lost one 
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psychonaut
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Posted - 2003.12.24 16:53:00 -
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Well move - sorry people complained that everything was too easy.. now its too hard...
Wait for tech two and reclaim the lost ground then or sumat...
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Plasmatique
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:12:00 -
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Are they using tech 2 missiles?
Perhaps once we start to get our hands on tech 2 items it won't be so hard...until then I don't know.
My corp lost about 6 battleships after the patch trying to take on Serpentis spawns and I hear few success stories of people being able to stream the current pirates in fountain.
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Ajnos Runecasting
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:28:00 -
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Haven't been out in 0.0 for a bit now but...
Day after the Patch I was scouting in my Moa, jumped to a Random belt in ROIR (50 Km out), had my but handed back to me, by the time I warped out my Hull was down 25% and I had almost no armor left... (Darn Caracals)
I went 1 jump over into fade, Same Moa... Killed 4 "Super Thoraxes" at 65K - 85K each before running out of cap and running (didn't get a chance to grab the cans tho )
So yeah.. I think Guristes are a bit out of balance...
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:37:00 -
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guritas have always been much harder then the other npc's because of the missels they use. I think a solotion could be to slow the fire rate on missels for guritas to like 4 seconds. That possibly could fix teh problem.
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Squirrel
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrel on 24/12/2003 17:47:50
lol KIA's are all n00blars.....cant deal with gurista missle spam? try sanshas...missle spam + 6 tachs.... oh btw....we can chain them with 2 bs no problem.....get some skillz
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:48:00 -
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"I did infact manage to get out with 13% left on my ship even with a large booster and 2 amps with a em hardner on i did not have a chance. "
... What's the point of EM hardener against enemy who deals thermal and kinetic damage? o.O
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:52:00 -
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You can mount 4 medium smartbombs and set them to go off about every 3 seconds, and this will significantly help with missile spam. Then, just pray you don't CTD. I think the Apoc is best-suited for this, since it has the pg and cap to run all the mods and sbs significantly longer.
Problem I ran into with my Raven was when I was just "scouting" belts (didn't have the sb's) looking for a spawn with a 1 mill BS pirate...I figured I could escape if necessary. I warped 50km into a belt, and I saw a spawn of about 20 rats at around 25km (too close for comfort) so I immediately clicked to warp to a moon.
About 1 minute later, my Raven was exploding, because there were so many missiles, I never got aligned to warp. So...in other words...if your time has come and you get into a sticky situation, there's almost no way out.
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 24/12/2003 17:55:57
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"I did infact manage to get out with 13% left on my ship even with a large booster and 2 amps with a em hardner on i did not have a chance. "
... What's the point of EM hardener against enemy who deals thermal and kinetic damage? o.O
Josephine...the frigate Guristas use EM missiles also (and there are often ten of them in a spawn.)
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crice
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: crice on 24/12/2003 18:00:24
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NO WAY they should nerf Missiles.
Its the NPCs that need sorting. The belts in Guristas territory, need nerfing.
BAH. Don't NERF THE RATS!!! The Rats are just fine. We use 5 Battleships to Clear a Belt no problems. Any less is suicide!
Keep them coming. Soon most will be back in Cruisers and Frigs. Sounds good to me. IMO-Not everyone and there mother needs to be flying around in a BS. Tactics and Skills is all you need in a cruiser and a frig and you can do some damage.
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crice
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:58:00 -
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Had a corpmate get hit for like 650 by a tyrant(Sansha) They aren't "easy" unless you are well prepared and have sufficient numbers.
Haven't tried gurristas though. Do these ravens run turrets at all? Would mounting 3-4 med smartbombs take care of the missile spam?
The Raven's (Destoyer) use 6 H-50 TECH II Arbs, that spam Cruise Missles out at ya, the use two turrents for long and two for short.
That is all I know about this, I haven't really spent the time examining these rats.. 
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 24/12/2003 18:10:36
Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 24/12/2003 18:09:33
Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 24/12/2003 18:04:59
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Edited by: Squirrel on 24/12/2003 17:47:50
lol KIA's are all n00blars.....cant deal with gurista missle spam? try sanshas...missle spam + 6 tachs.... oh btw....we can chain them with 2 bs no problem.....get some skillz
Hmm...when EVERYONE who has actually attempted to farm Guristas is saying the same thing, one would think others would take pause before making stupid, "You're a n00b" comments." Isn't it interesting how you hear all kinds of people saying, "Bah, we farm Serpentis with 2 BS," or "HAHA! We farm sansha's with 2 BS," but you don't hear anyone saying "Bah! We farm Guristas with 2 BS!"
Lasers don't keep you from aligning for warp if you need to escape. And the laser rats can't generate anywhere near the kind of missile spam the Guristas do. We're talking about a constant, neverending flow of 50+ missiles in the air at one time...ALL directed at you. The only load-out I've heard of that helps is using multiple smartbombs...but that's still tricky and still very risky.
Back in the days when one could farm Guristas all day in a MOA, it was MUCH more difficult to farm Sansha's, because the Sanshas did EM damage, and if you got in a sticky situation and your hardeners stopped running, you were toast. I didn't understand that until I actually went and tried to farm the Sanshas, and then I figured out that not all NPCs are equal.
Tell you what...we will find for you one of our "special" Guristas spawns. You and your buddy can come and demonstrate how to farm them. Perhaps you're right, and EVERYONE who dies farming Gursistas is a noob. But I doubt it.
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