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illusha
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: illusha on 03/04/2007 02:08:08
I petitioned this immediately after it happened and I expect an answer soon. Let me tell you what happened.
I was sitting on the I-UUI5 gate in MPPA-A when a pilot (he will be unnamed for the present moment, lets called him Pilot A) when the gate activates. Pilot A stays cloaked for about 15-18 seconds. Pilot A uncloaks about 15km off the gate in a raven and I, in my sensor boostered myrmidon warp scramble and began engaging Pilot A. Pilot A logs off while warp scrambled, webbed, with drones and blasters attacking Pilot A. Before logging out, Pilot A turns on shield hardners. It takes about 1-2 minutes for Pilot A's Raven to be at half armor with all shield gone when it disappears. Pilot A is no longer on scanner, no longer in space and hasn't been online since he logged off.
Is this some kind of a new way to log off and save your ship while scrambled? It happened to me before when I was attacking a raven and that Pilot also pulled off this trick but I didn't bother petitioning it. I wasn't sure where to post this, but I am a pirate and I see pirate help! YARRRR!
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Warrio
Ruin Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:49:00 -
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It's known and it's just about the worst game mechanic you will find anywhere in Eve.
Nothing you could have done about it soz.
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Jei'son Bladesmith
Bladesmith Mining and Development Consortium
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Posted - 2007.04.03 03:28:00 -
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 Originally by: illusha
(he will be unnamed for the present moment, lets called him Pilot A)
I say name & shame the cowardly SOB for using a roundly despicable tactic that only deserves to get him drawn and quartered! 
☼☼☼ Confidence keeps you alive...cockiness will get you podded ☼☼☼ |
Donna Maria
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Posted - 2007.04.03 03:46:00 -
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Probably the same mechanics that keep the sentry guns from pounding outlaw pirates (-5 etc) in lowsec. If he didn't shoot back likely the aggression timer works differently for him. Sucks 2 be u..
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Oro Masut
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.04.03 06:18:00 -
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Whining pirates always make me laugh.
WCS gimps your fighting abilty. Make your choice BEFORE you undock. Do not complain about a lost ship ever, if you fit for running and go fighting with it |
Marduk Starkiller
Twilight Symphony
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Oro Masut
Whining pirates always make me laugh.
He's not whining, you troll, he's just talking about what obviously is a badly thought game mechanic. Its funny that CCP goes saying everywhere how that Eve is a pvp based mmo, but still they support this type of actions.
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Marduk Starkiller
Twilight Symphony
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Oro Masut
Whining pirates always make me laugh.
He's not whining, you troll, he's just talking about what obviously is a badly thought game mechanic. Its funny that CCP goes saying everywhere how that Eve is a pvp based mmo, but still they support this type of actions.
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KaptnSparrow
Caldari
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Donna Maria
Probably the same mechanics that keep the sentry guns from pounding outlaw pirates (-5 etc) in lowsec. If he didn't shoot back likely the aggression timer works differently for him. Sucks 2 be u..
sentries don't shoot outlaws? Time to verify this tonight.
...eve's worst pirate...
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:40:00 -
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only 2 options here.
a) he actually logged off before he decloaked and he just didn't disappear from local for a few seconds or you didn't notice it.
b) bug
if u scrambled him first then he should stay in space for the full 15 minutes before disappearing.
plus u really need to name him cos raven logging to a myrmidon is really hilarious 
DE
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Vrabac
Amarr
Shadowed Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:04:00 -
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Something similar happened to me once, with difference that the target disappeared way sooner than minute or 2. I was at gates in Harbinger with Caracal friend waiting for another Harbinger to jump through. In low sec. What were we thinking? I dont know really. I excepted to get killed, but it was a pretty boring day.
Anyway, he jumps through, uncloaks after a while, we lock, scram and... he vanishes. Now I'm not an idiot. Sure, I was using focused beam lasers, but still with damage modifier of about 4.5, decent rof and multifrequency crystals I think it wouldn't take more than few shots to get Harbinger's shield to 50% right? Well at the moment he vanished he was at about 50% shield. So it was only several seconds from the moment of uncloaking. We warp to SS and wait our aggro, aggro is over, we warp back to gate. And there he is again, logged back. Warped to us, we lock and start doing our thing again, he vanishes. This time we got sick of it and left. And yes, he was from the land of vodka.
Corpie told me it might be that he logged while cloaked and that it's an exploit. So I tried petitioning him (I dont know, but that sort of cowardice really ticked me off), and I got an answer that logging off is not an exploit (I know that already  ) and that he must have logged off before I ever aggroed him, which would mean he would dissapear in about 1 minute. Problem is he dissapeared in 10 seconds.
Now I'm not sure about this, but what happens if you log off, and than run the client and attempt to log on with the same account as the one you just logged off? Could it produce the effect of your ship instantly vanishing? Because this guy REALLY didnt stay in space for a minute or 2.  Not to mention that second time he could not have logged off while cloaked since he warped to the spot he logged off at the first time.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vrabac
Something similar happened to me once, with difference that the target disappeared way sooner than minute or 2. I was at gates in Harbinger with Caracal friend waiting for another Harbinger to jump through. In low sec. What were we thinking? I dont know really. I excepted to get killed, but it was a pretty boring day.
Anyway, he jumps through, uncloaks after a while, we lock, scram and... he vanishes. Now I'm not an idiot. Sure, I was using focused beam lasers, but still with damage modifier of about 4.5, decent rof and multifrequency crystals I think it wouldn't take more than few shots to get Harbinger's shield to 50% right? Well at the moment he vanished he was at about 50% shield. So it was only several seconds from the moment of uncloaking. We warp to SS and wait our aggro, aggro is over, we warp back to gate. And there he is again, logged back. Warped to us, we lock and start doing our thing again, he vanishes. This time we got sick of it and left. And yes, he was from the land of vodka.
Corpie told me it might be that he logged while cloaked and that it's an exploit. So I tried petitioning him (I dont know, but that sort of cowardice really ticked me off), and I got an answer that logging off is not an exploit (I know that already ) and that he must have logged off before I ever aggroed him, which would mean he would dissapear in about 1 minute. Problem is he dissapeared in 10 seconds.
Now I'm not sure about this, but what happens if you log off, and than run the client and attempt to log on with the same account as the one you just logged off? Could it produce the effect of your ship instantly vanishing? Because this guy REALLY didnt stay in space for a minute or 2. Not to mention that second time he could not have logged off while cloaked since he warped to the spot he logged off at the first time.
if u log off while cloaked on a gate then it can take a few seconds to decloak and then you only stay in space for 30 seconds then vanish into thin air.
yes it is an exploit in terms of he is exploiting the game mechanic but as there is no way possible to prove it, ccp will not class it as a game exploit so will do nothing about it
if he logged off cloaked then he should have warped back to the spot that he uncloaked from/warped off from near enough so that sounds about right.
btw i'm coming back for your bounty 
DE
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Vrabac
Amarr
Shadowed Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
btw i'm coming back for your bounty
DE
I'm afraid you're too late for that. 
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vrabac
Originally by: DarkElf
btw i'm coming back for your bounty
DE
I'm afraid you're too late for that.
DE
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Jebe Noyon
Shadowed Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:37:00 -
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I hear if you have two toons on one account and if you ctrl+q from one and then turn on same account but log another toon the first one dissapears. I hear thats what "skilled" freighter pilots do.
Oh yeah, Vrab got podded inna most fancy way one can imagine. 
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illusha
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 01:34:00 -
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Quote:
a) he actually logged off before he decloaked and he just didn't disappear from local for a few seconds or you didn't notice it.
That isn't possible because he decloaked and then turned on his shield hardeners and I was watching local incase he had friends jumping in but he was in local after he was scrambled. This is why its not a logoffski: he stayed in space 30 seconds after he left local. It takes 30 seconds for a ship to do emergency warp after the pilot logs off as I understand it which means that it could not have been a legit logging off. He should have stayed there. I had him scrambled while he was in local and when he logged off, there is no excuse why his ship should have vanished. Some people have said that this is a bug, do the developers discuss this bug? I haven't heard people complaining about this before, it must either not be a well known bug or is a cheat.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sicarri Covenant
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 05:44:00 -
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Ok, what you do if your corp is big enough is set a rotating 23/7 camp on the spot he looged out in... he'll be back eventually 
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali
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Jebe Noyon
Shadowed Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ok, what you do if your corp is big enough is set a rotating 23/7 camp on the spot he looged out in... he'll be back eventually
He will WTZ and jump, then do the same trick afterwads of course loggin his another toon and playing somwhere 50 jumps away making fun of us all, but those individuals sooner or later get caught and punished. I mean if you always log, the you don't know how to fight or how to travel even.
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Nalar Marnith
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.04.05 00:39:00 -
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It may be as someone said. If you log off and relog with a different toon, the original disappears. This is an exploit, and hopefully in the course of your petition this will be discovered.
There is no mechanic (AFAIK) whereby an agroed player hangs around for only 2 minutes nor where a player without agro hangs around for that long.
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