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Pariah Eutrophius
Gallente Thundercats
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Pariah Eutrophius on 03/04/2007 08:22:55 What ppl have to remember is the capital losses in f-t was not JUST D2. It was a coalition joint operation and 40 or so dreads spread across 7 or so of the biggest and wealthiest alliances is
NOTHING
BOB is defending and will always have the advantage, preloaded grids and more places to hide.
Coalition is aTTACKING. Alot more work and ofc, no rocket science, is going to be alot harder and generally more losses, they wont disagree with that.
Whats important is the long term goal and result, and i will say, it will be in our favour. Not flaming bob and friends or starting a b**** fest. Just the way i c it and common sense.
Forget the capital losses no matter how big and small, the only alliance on bobs side with the exception of MC that can field capitals is BOB. There pets cannot and cannot afford to lose them. All the sides in coalition can field and afford to lose dreads, even goons. Let me tell you, t1 frigs is not all they fly, they do have capitals and are looking for yas, i have seen them first hand in f-t.
This is why capital losses are always going to be large on the coalitions sides. Give it up with the "can D2 afford to keep losing so many dreads, its can the coalition afford to keep losing dreads"
Simple answer YES. So STFU with worthless posts about this everyone and fight the real war ingame.
Lock the whole COAD section and it will be much nice place for everyone :) ______________________________________________ Morals are paintings on walls and scruples is money in Russia. aight! |

Menf
Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Pariah Eutrophius Forget the capital losses no matter how big and small, the only alliance on bobs side with the exception of MC that can field capitals is BOB.
yep. you are absolutly right. _____________________________________________
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:42:00 -
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Please keep it on topic. Thread has been cleaned and off topic remarks about cheating and similar allegations have been removed. If you think there's been foul play involved; petition it to the GMs and ask for it to be escalated to the IA-department. Posting it here is off topic and trolling.
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:45:00 -
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Shouldnt that be "BoB can not not lose"? They are an allaince, and Marx is very clear that all galactic alliances will crumble given time and the Privatter Alliance.
SKUNK
"allliance + privateer = loot thief"
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liquidism
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:48:00 -
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why do you all care so much.. 
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Morris Falter
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:56:00 -
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Missions and hauler ganking must be boring this week, in the well-contested region of lonetrek...  Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected]) |

Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:51:00 -
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One thing I can say about the coalition they will always fight to beat them even if they loose loads they will come back over and over agen. They want bob dead and they will kill them no matter what the cost.
One thing that Pos battle prooved is that the coalition can destroy anything they target, no matter how much they loose they will keep on throwing there capitals agenst Bob and you have to respect that
Before now people thuoght BOB were pretty much unreachable and this has bascially just prooved everyone wrong
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Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:52:00 -
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The more tactically astute members of the coalition should time their major attacks to coincide with the dates on this List
Good luck to both BoB and the Coalition, it all sounds like so much fun.
Captain Morgan Society - Dedicated to rehabilitating the Teetotal. |

Blue Stratos
Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Blue Stratos on 03/04/2007 11:26:09 pwnt
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Rochel Hakiri
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Thunk The more tactically astute members of the coalition should time their major attacks to coincide with the dates on this List
Good luck to both BoB and the Coalition, it all sounds like so much fun.
lol, that IS funny 
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Ione Hunt
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ione Hunt on 03/04/2007 11:32:53
Originally by: WDC CEO
Originally by: Sargonius WE re all dead but we dont know!!
Didnt you know it?
No mather what the coalition do we ll never win!!
We re loosing all our cap ship all the time , every battle and BoB and allies 00000 lost!!!
OMG we re dead!!
*dies*

Fact is not that you're dead, fact is you never win a major battle.

Fact is that he posts with his main, while you, being a BoB alt, don't do so... _______________
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Tarace CEO
Caldari ME15
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tarace CEO on 03/04/2007 11:35:53 nvm
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: SamuraiJack on 03/04/2007 11:36:51
You know I will start charging for that...
I'd be rich and finally get a Rattlesnake...
Sigh... Anyone got the missing Xetic minerals i could skim please?
:edit: fix link SJ. CLS Director =-
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X0TPO534
Old School Players
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ione Hunt Edited by: Ione Hunt on 03/04/2007 11:32:53
Originally by: WDC CEO
Originally by: Sargonius WE re all dead but we dont know!!
Didnt you know it?
No mather what the coalition do we ll never win!!
We re loosing all our cap ship all the time , every battle and BoB and allies 00000 lost!!!
OMG we re dead!!
*dies*

Fact is not that you're dead, fact is you never win a major battle.

Fact is that he posts with his main, while you, being a BoB alt, don't do so...
Hey Einstein, the fact is assuming he is a bob alt cause his corporation was founded 2 years ago by current bob pilot is like doing the *F-T mistake*. ________________________________________________ Killing **** since 2K3. |

Ione Hunt
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ione Hunt on 03/04/2007 11:51:02
Originally by: X0TPO534
Originally by: Ione Hunt Edited by: Ione Hunt on 03/04/2007 11:32:53
Originally by: WDC CEO
Originally by: Sargonius WE re all dead but we dont know!!
Didnt you know it?
No mather what the coalition do we ll never win!!
We re loosing all our cap ship all the time , every battle and BoB and allies 00000 lost!!!
OMG we re dead!!
*dies*

Fact is not that you're dead, fact is you never win a major battle.

Fact is that he posts with his main, while you, being a BoB alt, don't do so...
Hey Einstein, the fact is assuming he is a bob alt cause his corporation was founded 2 years ago by current bob pilot is like doing the *F-T mistake*.
An alt like you who's not affiliated with any of the major parties but defending another alt who has obvious ties to BoB...and who didn't start posting before BoB quit posting with their mains. Funny 
EDIT: Just noticed that was your first post ever with this char...grats m8!   _______________
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:52:00 -
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It's about 2 things: 1. Morale. What side collapses first. 2. Economic structure. The ability to sustain the war.
Morale can be effected by battle results, but is more about how convinsing the leadership is and their ability to keep ppl logging on for more.
Economic structure can be effected by poping poses and distrupting income. Ships are just isk and can be replaced nicely just by hopping into a new one. In 0.0 the fact is, you have already lost the ships you are flying, it's just a matter of how long till you have to change to a new one. And that you have replacements. It is no sec after all. If one side can stop the isk flowing and stop the industrial machine of the other side from grinding more replacements, the morale will go to the sewer with the industry. And morale is the only thing that breaks corps or alliances. We will see how this one develops... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |

Ione Hunt
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus It's about 2 things: 1. Morale. What side collapses first. 2. Economic structure. The ability to sustain the war.
Morale can be effected by battle results, but is more about how convinsing the leadership is and their ability to keep ppl logging on for more.
Economic structure can be effected by poping poses and distrupting income. Ships are just isk and can be replaced nicely just by hopping into a new one. In 0.0 the fact is, you have already lost the ships you are flying, it's just a matter of how long till you have to change to a new one. And that you have replacements. It is no sec after all. If one side can stop the isk flowing and stop the industrial machine of the other side from grinding more replacements, the morale will go to the sewer with the industry. And morale is the only thing that breaks corps or alliances. We will see how this one develops...
And we have a winner \o/ _______________
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X0TPO534
Old School Players
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ione Hunt Edited by: Ione Hunt on 03/04/2007 11:51:02
Originally by: X0TPO534
Originally by: Ione Hunt Edited by: Ione Hunt on 03/04/2007 11:32:53
Originally by: WDC CEO
Originally by: Sargonius WE re all dead but we dont know!!
Didnt you know it?
No mather what the coalition do we ll never win!!
We re loosing all our cap ship all the time , every battle and BoB and allies 00000 lost!!!
OMG we re dead!!
*dies*

Fact is not that you're dead, fact is you never win a major battle.

Fact is that he posts with his main, while you, being a BoB alt, don't do so...
Hey Einstein, the fact is assuming he is a bob alt cause his corporation was founded 2 years ago by current bob pilot is like doing the *F-T mistake*.
An alt like you who's not affiliated with any of the major parties but defending another alt who has obvious ties to BoB...and who didn't start posting before BoB quit posting with their mains. Funny 
EDIT: Just noticed that was your first post ever with this char...grats m8!  
Oh noes you're too clever man. Need some friends ? Or you prefer to spend your time checking who is who ?
Half of what u said is true, but your conclusion is wrong, try again 
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: geewiz
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/04/2007 04:52:50
Originally by: pylons38 Why did they cap the system at 700?
Watch the FRAPS.
Local never got close to 700.
And on the topic; of course BoB can lose. Remember the nine dreadnoughts lost to RA+friends? Obviously they can be defeated in battle. But it takes skill, planning, tactics, and oftentimes pure luck.
Someone was able to FRAPS it????? I was in that system and with the slide show I had I would like to see that you got a linky?
If the FRAPS is anything but a slide show I woudl really like to know how thats possible!
gee
The same way in other fleet fights some people get a slide show, some people get abit of lag and some get hardly any.
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MOS DEF
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:31:00 -
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I know not being allowed to post must suck but all this BoB alt posts are just too funny.
Ione keep unmasking em. Makes me chuckle everytime.

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Ione Hunt
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: X0TPO534
Oh noes you're too clever man. Need some friends ? Or you prefer to spend your time checking who is who ?
Half of what u said is true, but your conclusion is wrong, try again 
Did I struck a nerve there? Or do you have another reason for personal insults 
1) WDC CEO is in a 1-man corp founded by a member of BoB. He did not start posting before BoB stopped posting with their mains. The fact that his corp was founded by a member of BoB, and that he's defending them on these forums kinda gives his affiliation away.
2) You too are in a corp that's not affiliated with any major parties, and you've never posted with this char before...ergo, you're hiding behind an alt too.
3) If you think resorting to personal insults will give you any credibility, think again dude  
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Frantico Linkage
The pic says it all...
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Sonlatur
Minmatar Matari Raiders
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: pylons38 Why did they cap the system at 700?
Watch the FRAPS.
Local never got close to 700.
Talk is, the system was capped at 450. Dont know if this is true...
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Atreus Minmatarius
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Local never got close to 700.
If so.. you wanna throw around any wild guesses as to why our gangs could not get in?
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Xelphior
Caldari Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 13:21:37 just to point out, KD ratios and Propaganda and General Battles all count in a battle and a wars
for example, by killing 50 capital ships and 200 support costing 100bn isk approx like BoB did to the coalition, will affect their wallets, and by effectivly costing the coalitions wallets and draining their finances faster than they can rebuild it is an effective means at slowing down and pushing back a forward advance, because POS warefare needs ships, by taking those ships from them, they cant use them to attack yur POS and a few more costly battles like that, your far more less likley to be so silly again, especially for an unconfirmed target, (but my opinion is that if a titan was in there, 100bn isk is too high a price to pay to rid one ship).
Propaganda is always fun rather that useful in a war, but plays its part in misleading your enemy.
oh and as for only bob and mc fielding cap ships, il think youl find theres more cap ships than u think. maybe not as many or skilled, but a definate cap ship capability in 90% of bobs pets, i know, i was one and owned a cap ship =p
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EzSnake
Caldari Cereal Killerz deadspace society
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus It's about 2 things: 1. Morale. What side collapses first. 2. Economic structure. The ability to sustain the war.
Morale can be effected by battle results, but is more about how convinsing the leadership is and their ability to keep ppl logging on for more.
Economic structure can be effected by poping poses and distrupting income. Ships are just isk and can be replaced nicely just by hopping into a new one. In 0.0 the fact is, you have already lost the ships you are flying, it's just a matter of how long till you have to change to a new one. And that you have replacements. It is no sec after all. If one side can stop the isk flowing and stop the industrial machine of the other side from grinding more replacements, the morale will go to the sewer with the industry. And morale is the only thing that breaks corps or alliances. We will see how this one develops...
Exactly!!!! So why they bothered with even trying a 400+ man blob (that made it in, even more planned on making it) is beyond me. Personally if I was attacking something like a BoB, I'd have to kill of thier pets first and distrupte supply lines/miner ops etc. Screw taking 50+ caps to blow up 1 POS (which may or may not have had ANYTHING in it). They already have titans (both sides) another isn't that big of a swing in power, not as much as killing thier ability to get the materials to even think of building one.
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Chronos VIII
Amarr S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus It's about 2 things: 1. Morale. What side collapses first. 2. Economic structure. The ability to sustain the war.
Morale can be effected by battle results, but is more about how convinsing the leadership is and their ability to keep ppl logging on for more.
Economic structure can be effected by poping poses and distrupting income. Ships are just isk and can be replaced nicely just by hopping into a new one. In 0.0 the fact is, you have already lost the ships you are flying, it's just a matter of how long till you have to change to a new one. And that you have replacements. It is no sec after all. If one side can stop the isk flowing and stop the industrial machine of the other side from grinding more replacements, the morale will go to the sewer with the industry. And morale is the only thing that breaks corps or alliances. We will see how this one develops...
Very true, in my opinion it's not only about Morale and economic wealth tho, but also about experience. In this one, bob definitely gains the upper hand, because of the war against ascn, etc. Theres a big difference between being able to field a capital fleet and being able to make use of it properly. BoB and of course MC undoubtedly know how to use their cap fleets not due to the fact that they are "BoB" or "Devs" (*sigh*) but more likely because they learned how to make use of it to its full potential in all the conflicts they were involved. Im not saying that D2 + allies already lost this war, but to my mind they are lacking experience. Feel free to correct me, but as far as i remember, the last time d2 was in "full-war-mode" was against ASCN about one year ago. Im sure i will get flamed for this, but meh, who cares .
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Maxtor Payne
Minmatar DeathWatch Militaris
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ione Hunt Edited by: Ione Hunt on 03/04/2007 11:32:53
Originally by: WDC CEO
Originally by: Sargonius WE re all dead but we dont know!!
Didnt you know it?
No mather what the coalition do we ll never win!!
We re loosing all our cap ship all the time , every battle and BoB and allies 00000 lost!!!
OMG we re dead!!
*dies*

Fact is not that you're dead, fact is you never win a major battle.

Fact is that he posts with his main, while you, being a BoB alt, don't do so...
So because an alt says it, it's not true?
Merc alt for hire. Contact Retran for contracts. Currently fighting: Deep Space Construction |

Ione Hunt
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Maxtor Payne
Originally by: Ione Hunt Edited by: Ione Hunt on 03/04/2007 11:32:53
Originally by: WDC CEO
Originally by: Sargonius WE re all dead but we dont know!!
Didnt you know it?
No mather what the coalition do we ll never win!!
We re loosing all our cap ship all the time , every battle and BoB and allies 00000 lost!!!
OMG we re dead!!
*dies*

Fact is not that you're dead, fact is you never win a major battle.

Fact is that he posts with his main, while you, being a BoB alt, don't do so...
So because an alt says it, it's not true?
Well, if a BoB alt says something about the coalition not winning major battles, it's certainly less objective than someone coming here with exact figures...don't ya think? And as far as I can see, he's not showing any proof. All he does is post his biased opinion with an alt 
I don't think alts should post in this part of this forum. If you don't have the "courage" to post with your main in a political part of the forums, why post at all? I mean, I could create a cool 1-man corp alt and spew around bull**** too...but why post at all if I'm too scared to show my "real" ingame face?
Alts are for OOC hauling, mining, trading, or whatever else you want. Forum posting warrior alts need to die...all of them  _______________
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Maxtor Payne
Minmatar DeathWatch Militaris
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ione Hunt Well, if a BoB alt says something about the coalition not winning major battles, it's certainly less objective than someone coming here with exact figures...don't ya think? And as far as I can see, he's not showing any proof. All he does is post his biased opinion with an alt 
If he posted with his BoB main, he'd be judged as even more biased and get flamed to hell and back. As for figures, you just need to take a look at the KBs, tbh. The only thing of significance the Coalition has done is take LV space and MAYBE destroy the RKK capyard, but that is assuming that there was a Titan in it, which, from having been on BoB TS during and after the battle, gives me the impression that there wasn't FAR MORE than anything Molle posted. You simply can't be that cheerfull after losing a baby Titan, no matter how many dreads you pop in the process.
Originally by: Ione Hunt I don't think alts should post in this part of this forum. If you don't have the "courage" to post with your main in a political part of the forums, why post at all? I mean, I could create a cool 1-man corp alt and spew around bull**** too...but why post at all if I'm too scared to show my "real" ingame face?
It's not about courage. Before the self-imposed forum ban, the bobbits posted with their main.
Originally by: Ione Hunt Alts are for OOC hauling, mining, trading, or whatever else you want. Forum posting warrior alts need to die...all of them
Meh
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