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Crimson Blossom
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:31:00 -
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I want to ask all the pirates and pvpers what is the best race and ship for PVP. I know that all races can train all skills, but which one is better to start with? Which ship is the best for pvping or I should say which races ship. Basically I'm asking if you had to start over knowing what you know what would you pick for race and what racial ship would you specialize in? All answers are appreciated.
Crimson
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Speed Devil on 03/04/2007 14:29:43
well...
all i can say is, dont pick amarr  except if u like the pilgrim
gallente and minmatar are the best races imo (allround) for pvp
they got a good ship in every class
 Originally by: Merkanas
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:38:00 -
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one thing you have to learn about eve is that it's not like most mmorg's. Every race has it's advantages in all areas and no race is the best at pvp or combat no matter what anyone says.
If i were to go back in time and start again however i think i would choose minmatar. Partly because it's the only race i haven't tried, partly because i like their play style and advantages due to guns not needing cap, flexability in shield and armor tanking, speed etc.
DE
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Crimson Blossom
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:39:00 -
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Well then I'm off to a good start picking the worst race appearantly  . But it's no problem for me to start over since I'm new, which is why I asked. Thanks for the info. Any other opinions out there?
Crimson
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Crimson Blossom
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
one thing you have to learn about eve is that it's not like most mmorg's. Every race has it's advantages in all areas and no race is the best at pvp or combat no matter what anyone says.
I understand that all characters will eventually equal out, but usually there are a few that start with an advantage which allows you to progress just a little faster at the begining. But then again like you said perhaps in EVE this isn't the case. Thanks for the info.
Crimson
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Eudoxus
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:44:00 -
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Minnie = Winnie 
Next question?
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Suboran
Gallente
Sphinx Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:47:00 -
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It's a Templar; an Amarr fighter drone. Carriers/Motherships use them
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 03/04/2007 15:07:16
Originally by: Crimson Blossom
I want to ask all the pirates and pvpers what is the best race and ship for PVP. I know that all races can train all skills, but which one is better to start with? Which ship is the best for pvping or I should say which races ship. Basically I'm asking if you had to start over knowing what you know what would you pick for race and what racial ship would you specialize in? All answers are appreciated.
Crimson
Sigh...there is no "best". A lot depends on your patience level-Minmatar are probably the most versatile; however, you'll spend a lot longer getting to the point where you can get the most out of the ships as opposed to jumping into the more directed races (exclusive drones/missiles etc). Just decide which race/style you like better and play the game  . Of course a lot depends on your personality-as in "orbit at x and spam missiles/drones" versus actually "flying" the ship manually.
Also..individual ships have mission-specific roles to play on combat ops (interceptors/covops spring immediately to mind). Keep that in mind when volunteering a battleship for a "fast moving op"
I am glad I have chosen and stuck with Minmatar-and specialized as such. Minmatar are a bit bleah for mission running (or more likely I suck at them) but---once you get past the first couple million SP mark the versatility really starts to shine.
Good luck with your choice. And the best thing you could do is join a corp with experienced players that can get you moving in the right direction....and get EvEMON...
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Eudoxus
Minnie = Winnie
Next question?
And by the way, I rule you.
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RootAccess
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:55:00 -
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I would say min and gallente
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
will explain when i have the time i promise
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.03 18:09:00 -
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Paladin
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Jezala
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.04.03 18:22:00 -
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For pvp, then Caldari is tossed out immediately. Caldari ships are primarily regulated to support roles.
Amarr ships are the least flexible, but heavily biased towards pvp.
Minmatar ships require the most skills to train, lots of cross training in specialization skills (i.e. missiles, drones, navigation, gunnery). Minmatar ships really shine in the hands of an advanced player.
Gallente ships are probably the most flexible for pvp. You got a great sniper, best close range damage dealer, ships specializes in drones...good assault frigs, great T1 cruisers, deadly HACs, ungodly BCs and command ships. So I guess Gallente would be your best bet if you are starting pvp.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.03 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jezala
For pvp, then Caldari is tossed out immediately. Caldari ships are primarily regulated to support roles.
errrr have u never heard of support roles in pvp? how about ecm? the most heavily used support role in pvp by far ever!
Originally by: Jezala
Amarr ships are the least flexible, but heavily biased towards pvp.
wouldn't agree with that personally. i don't see any outstanding amarr ships in pvp over any others apart from the obvious curse and pilgrim.
but yeah you definately won't go wrong with gallente. remember tho that eve is always being changed and balanced so what's good today might well not be in future.
DE
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WYLEE C0Y0TE
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.03 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Jezala
For pvp, then Caldari is tossed out immediately. Caldari ships are primarily regulated to support roles.
errrr have u never heard of support roles in pvp? how about ecm? the most heavily used support role in pvp by far ever!
DE
Reading comprehension FTW 
Originally by: Kaylee Zara
Try it out yourself and see what you think rather than listening to what the sheep army thinks.
Originally by: Leikeze Mrotserif
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Altrex Stoppel
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Thread Winner
Paladin
But the Amaar paladin doesn't have an instant heal!!!
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Altrex Stoppel
Originally by: Thread Winner
Paladin
But the Amaar paladin doesn't have an instant heal!!!
But he can chuck the pax ammara at non believers
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zwerg
Caldari
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:32:00 -
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amarr rookie ship , amarr 
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sicarri Covenant
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:53:00 -
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Minmitar Rifter
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: zwerg
impiraror , amarr
Or something like that
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Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:29:00 -
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I'm far from being an expert, but from what I have seen them do (and do to me) I would say I most feared:-
Amarr - Curse
Caldari - Blackbird
Gallente - Megathron
Minmatar - Vagabond
Nano-curse and Vagabonds are the sickness. Blackbird is a great EWar platform because pretty much everyone in the game could fly one decently in 1 month of training, and a few of these in a fleet can really lay the pain on. Finally despite being very happy with my racial choice of minmatar, there is something in me that knows I will fly a blasterthron one day! 7 Heavy Neuts - yarrr!!
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altnr156584651
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: WYLEE C0Y0TE
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Jezala
For pvp, then Caldari is tossed out immediately. Caldari ships are primarily regulated to support roles.
errrr have u never heard of support roles in pvp? how about ecm? the most heavily used support role in pvp by far ever!
DE
Reading comprehension FTW
STFU alt!!!
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: altnr156584651
Originally by: WYLEE C0Y0TE
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Jezala
For pvp, then Caldari is tossed out immediately. Caldari ships are primarily regulated to support roles.
errrr have u never heard of support roles in pvp? how about ecm? the most heavily used support role in pvp by far ever!
DE
Reading comprehension FTW
STFU alt!!!
your one to talk
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Devian 666
Ocean Dynamics
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.04 01:02:00 -
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I'd recommend the ISD race the inspectorate frigate can passively tank 3m dps (by my calculations) without taking into account skills or mods.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.04 01:21:00 -
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Toss out Caldari immediately? For SOLO pvp maybe.
Gang warfare...a Cald gang of guys who know wtf they are doing arent any kind of pushover, particularly with the new Kali ships gained.
As to the Ops question, I would say the best stats you can come up with, then start looking around, OR just remain Amar, they are getting a boost soon according to the hdic.
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Crimson Blossom
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Posted - 2007.04.04 02:25:00 -
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Thanks for the infor everyone, I have decided to stick with my khanid chick and specialize in Gallante ships. I look forward to being blown up by some of you at a later date.
Thanks
Crimson
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sicarri Covenant
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Blossom
Thanks for the infor everyone, I have decided to stick with my khanid chick and specialize in Gallante ships. I look forward to being blown up by some of you at a later date.
Thanks
Crimson
Why wait till later?
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali
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jizzmonkey
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:10:00 -
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my favourite pirate ships;
vagabond, rupture, mega, domi, scorp (yes, solo) pilgrim/curse
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:17:00 -
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Best race: Klingon
Best ship: With Klingons does it matter?
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: WYLEE C0Y0TE
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Jezala
For pvp, then Caldari is tossed out immediately. Caldari ships are primarily regulated to support roles.
errrr have u never heard of support roles in pvp? how about ecm? the most heavily used support role in pvp by far ever!
DE
Reading comprehension FTW
me thinks someone should take some of their own advise as you clearly missed my point. naturally i read that bit as it's the part i frickin quoted muppet.
he said that caldari are useless in pvp and they are primarily support roles. my point is that support is a major part of pvp so how can they be useless in pvp but good support. has he not heard of support in pvp.
reading comprehension totally ftw
DE
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Murukan
Minmatar
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.04.04 17:56:00 -
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get an erebus. Thermal dmg is best over all so it's the best ship for solo piracy. have fun with it
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Jezala
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.04.04 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
me thinks someone should take some of their own advise as you clearly missed my point. naturally i read that bit as it's the part i frickin quoted muppet.
he said that caldari are useless in pvp and they are primarily support roles. my point is that support is a major part of pvp so how can they be useless in pvp but good support. has he not heard of support in pvp.
reading comprehension totally ftw
DE
I never said anything about Caldari being useless for pvp. What I did say was that Caldari should be removed from the table immediately b/c most of their pvp ships are support ships, be it firesupport or EW support. This is especially true for someone wanting to learn pvp, the Caldari line is a poor choice of ships when learning the mechanics of pvp. Turret mechanics, drones, tackling, aggro, sniping, raiding, tanking, and ganking mechanics are best learned from the other 3 races, particularly the Minmatars and Gallentes.
So yes, if you are getting into pvp for the first time then you want a racial line that provides the most flexibility and greatest exposure to pvp mechanics. Not a racial line that's has niche roles.
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Fedaykinn
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.04 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Fedaykinn on 04/04/2007 21:01:31
Meh I disagree with you, im cladari and am a Pirate and I get plenty of solo kills specially with hams. Cerberus with hams any1? will pwn anythin pretty much I took on 3 battlecruisers in my 1 cerberus and blew all 3 up (2 of which where hurricanes)
Plus traveling in Scorp jamming your target and still being able to launch missiles at it is pretty awesome for solo pvp
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.04 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: DarkElf on 04/04/2007 23:27:52
Originally by: Jezala
For pvp, then Caldari is tossed out immediately.
that was the comment i was disagreeing with. for pvp caldari should not be tossed out immediately. yes most caldari ships struggle to solo with some exeptions but he never said he was going solo. caldari have some of the most effective pvp ships there are so should not be tossed out immediately. you said they have heavy support roles which is great as when learning to pvp, support is often the best way to learn.
caldari have the crow which is awesome for solo work, ecm ships which are awesome support ships, rokh is a veratile pvp ship but great as a heavy dmg dealer and many more.
no race should be tossed out immediately for pvp as they all have their strengths. that's all i was saying
DE
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Yucali
Candy Hearts
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Posted - 2007.04.05 00:18:00 -
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Minnie and Gallente are both good for solo pvp in both T1 and T2 ships, but Minnie takes more SP and skill
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Raziel Saston
Deviance Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.05 05:26:00 -
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Gallente
Nuff said
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