Stagnation leads to degeneration. Degeneration leads to weakness. Give them some time and they will fall like Goons. Like old Band of Brothers. Like many others.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation

That didn't work out quite as well as we had hoped.

No one if afraid of them anymore. They aren't an invincible coalition that won the game.

You're either extremely foolish or trolling to say that no-one is afraid of Goonswarm.

Grrrr Goons

Grrr PL

Grrr Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Don't forget the OG's: Grrr M0o and Grrr BOB.

So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction
NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free.
The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe.
3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.

B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict.
Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell.

Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within.

So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction
NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free.
The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe.
3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.

B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict.
Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell.

You're either extremely foolish or trolling to say that no-one is afraid of Goonswarm.

So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction
NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free.
The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe.
3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.

B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict.
Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell.

we had this thread like 6 months ago.
then WWB happened.

no one rules alone
no one rules forever

give it time, anarchy is allways only one miss typed word or miss click away

I don't know how long this discussion will last here, and i can't claim to be un-biased because I am (A) within Jump range of PL/NC supers as I type this and (B) PL dropped a freaking NYX on my NAVY VEXOR (on my alt, on June 28, in N-HKSO, too bad we can't link killmails here lol).

But I will say this, it's funny how CCP made all these jump range changes and made jump fatigue with the the goal or ending 'cross map' capital/supercapital dominance....while inadvertently creating LOCAL AREA CAP/SUPER CAP DOMINANCE lol. Now super caps can be dropped on people with impunity with no chance of response from another supercap capable power unless that group tortuously and visibly moves their super caps across the map like space turtles.

Before Jump Fatigue, even PL would have thought twice about dropping a Nyx on a VNI (they might have still done it, but they'd at least think about it lol). Now, no second guessing required. It's ok, didn't want that VNI anyways/already replaced (lol), but really, a NYX.? A NYX??!?!?!

I don't know how long this discussion will last here, and i can't claim to be un-biased because I am (A) within Jump range of PL/NC supers as I type this and (B) PL dropped a freaking NYX on my NAVY VEXOR (on my alt, on June 28, in N-HKSO, too bad we can't link killmails here lol).

But I will say this, it's funny how CCP made all these jump range changes and made jump fatigue with the the goal or ending 'cross map' capital/supercapital dominance....while inadvertently creating LOCAL AREA CAP/SUPER CAP DOMINANCE lol. Now super caps can be dropped on people with impunity with no chance of response from another supercap capable power unless that group tortuously and visibly moves their super caps across the map like space turtles.

Before Jump Fatigue, even PL would have thought twice about dropping a Nyx on a VNI (they might have still done it, but they'd at least think about it lol). Now, no second guessing required. It's ok, didn't want that VNI anyways/already replaced (lol), but really, a NYX.? A NYX??!?!?!

Human nature create this.

To be fair it CCP also had a hand in creating this situation.

They created the ships / game mechanics.

Takes two to tango

So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction
NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free.
The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe.
3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.

B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict.
Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell.

No they bloody didnt

They did not say blue everyone to make billions

They did not say build super fleets to blob everyone

They did not say kill anyone who is a slight threat

You did this

Not CCP

You guys broke null

How about you all unblue each other n go to war

No you wont, why?

Its called greed

As i said, you made this bed, now lie in it

No they bloody didnt

They did not say blue everyone to make billions

They did not say build super fleets to blob everyone

They did not say kill anyone who is a slight threat

You did this

Not CCP

You guys broke null

How about you all unblue each other n go to war

No you wont, why?

Its called greed

As i said, you made this bed, now lie in it

give it time, anarchy is allways only one miss typed word or miss click away

So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction
NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free.
The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe.
3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.

B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict.
Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell.

It's ok, didn't want that VNI anyways/already replaced (lol), but really, a NYX.? A NYX??!?!?!

people need a reason to fight, there has to be conflict driver

Create your own content. Dont expect CCP to do it for you.

The situation that "no thanks, we are happy farming our own space endlessly, safely, in deadlock, is good for us" is not really an argument against that.

Sure. Peace is good for business, cos stability. But war is better, cos opportunity.

Nothing is stopping you from creating your own conflict driver.

PS: Im probably so gonna regret both these comments tomorrow morning, but drunk-posting must be done.

Due to the nature of Null Sec Wars, the time it takes to kill objectives, the hours upon hours that have to be spent fighting, you need a major conflict driver.

At first I thought OP name was Phoenix Vagina.

we had this thread like 6 months ago.
then WWB happened.

no one rules alone
no one rules forever

give it time, anarchy is allways only one miss typed word or miss click away

I am looking forward to all these conflict drives you'll be creating for sure.

This thread itself is a conflict driver created by the OP.
We are all making our own content in it.

You create your own conflict drivers and content.

I cant do that for you.

(Unless ofc, you make me your content)

Example:
This thread itself is a conflict driver created by the OP.
We are all making our own content in it.

It's ok, didn't want that VNI anyways/already replaced (lol), but really, a NYX.? A NYX??!?!?!

we had this thread like 6 months ago.
then WWB happened.

no one rules alone
no one rules forever

give it time, anarchy is allways only one miss typed word or miss click away

CCPs position, cynically, in all this is difficult.

If they enxourage war between the blocs, it might result in the fall of a bloc and hudreds/thousands of lost subs as understandably upset losers fold out of EVE.

If they dont encourage more warfare, they stand to lose hundreds/thousands of subs of PvP oriented players discontent with the lack of conflict and ship destruction.

Erto, I encourage solutions/thinking along the lines of encouraging internal fracturing in large blocs, such that the larger they are, the harder they are to hold together.

How do you prevent alliance from forming power bloc when power bloc are not an actual EVE feature? How do you make them harder to work when they are not implemented in the game?

It's like saying voice coms give an advantage to player who use them against player who don't so CCP should make it harder to use.

pretty sure this happens every time a great war of eve happens xD

no one thinks anyone can fall.....it will just be a small skirmish
and then a giant alliance is dead

There are some relatively simple changes that can indirectly encourage fragmentation (although not complete solution in and of themself)

For example, removing Local in NS would be a reasonable start.
Sure, Blocs will argue we can utilize this to greater opportunity, but they may also suffer more permeability on their other fringes.

Much of the debate on changes to encourage more fragmentation/granularity in NS is vetoed by Blocs, with the statement "if you change this, we will use our greater power base to exploit it harder than our smaller neighbors".

Probably they are correct in most cases. If they would even bother to capitalize on it, or be able to mobilize forces to do so.

Its an inverted Sword of Damocles position, where instead of the power itself being at threat from the sword over their head, (which is analogous to the weight of great power with commensurate responsibility) they posit that weaker powers are the ones the change will hurt most. Pragmatically, the powers have far more to lose, than their weaker neighbors/antagonists. It is harder to hold a great co plexity together, than a smaller one

Quite possibly, and I would argue probably given the nature of EVE, the nature of their congenial compromise inorder to arrange/align the blocs multiple constituent entities, is not as stable as some might think. Many of them might just be looking for a crack of opportunity to deliver on old grudges or capitalize on opportunity.

Realpolitik.

Im not entirely convinced that changes which superficially may benefit a great power more than minors, would pan out that way.

As an earlier poster pointed out, these Blocs have their own immense internal logistics, politics and motivations to worry about in especially in regards to other great powers. Any weakness invites aggression. (albeit most major battles have historically been the result of "accident" or unexpected escalation rather than deliberate aggression, whixh is telling of the nature of Blocs).

As another poster pointed out, these Blocs are based in informal agreements, without actual in-game concrete structure. This, inversely, means there is no ingame mechanic to prevent fracture at any time. Break from the informal structure is possible at anytime.

Its entitely possible that more numerous smaller neighbors could capitalize on such even small indirect changes, piece by piece, and change the balance of power in its totality. As well as fragmenting the informal agreements/equity between the corps/alliances which constitute the Bloc. Financiers and industrialists may change allegiance for profit from emerging market. PvP core may change allegiance to a more hawkish and thirsty faction. Bloc constituent Corps may decide they are tired of being dictated to and paying fealty/royalty/rent to their suzerain Bloc overlords.

And as this fragmentation occurs, enemy powers weigh their odds, manipulate and encourage it.

The fall of an empire is not only from total war against another empire.
It can also be from smaller neighbors chipping at the periphery, to weaken their integrity.
It can also be from fracture within, as elements grasp opportunity to profit, gain independence, or settle old grudges.

Thats the kind of EVE we all want, right?

we had this thread like 6 months ago.
then WWB happened.

no one rules alone
no one rules forever

give it time, anarchy is allways only one miss typed word or miss click away

I mean we had this thread 6 years ago, nap fest, blue doughnut, stagnation, ect...

To some extent you are right but so what?

It has been like this for years and nothing will change but again so what?

The best thing to do is just leave them to it and play the game you want to play.

I fell into the same trap as yourself and it completely burned me out and I quit the game 2 years ago.

I am now looking to come back and this time am not going to fall into the same trap.

I honestly couldn't less about the Goons, PL, NC or whoever.

I am going to play Eve the way I want to play and to hell with everybody else.

There are some relatively simple changes that can indirectly encourage fragmentation (although not complete solution in and of themself)

For example, removing Local in NS would be a reasonable start.

It would be good to get some explanation of why local in NS is important for block stability?

Stagnation leads to degeneration. Degeneration leads to weakness. Give them some time and they will fall like Goons. Like old Band of Brothers. Like many others.

Are you roleplaying? Or some some kind of chef that reads Nietzsche every day and it's wrecked your mind?