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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2016.11.28 15:34:06 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:and you can't nuke their capital because at least so far as highsec mercs go they don't have such a thing [citation needed] Can you show me an example of at least one highsec merc group with any significant static assets in space? Almost all of them own or have previously owned massive quantities of customs offices. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.11.28 15:35:56 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:had he worded his reply in a different tone. maybe i would respect him.
but the way he replied just gives me the image of someone who sits on jita gate spamming war decs all day. which annoys me because, when i was a highsec carebear(a title i still like), i stay'd in highsec cause i didn't want to be forced into pvp.
i went to lowsec when i decided i was ready for pvp and the choice of being able to choose when to get into pvp has helped my enjoyment of the game.
tis why i consider high sec pvp the same as carebear pve. for all people's argument of "content creation", they forget the content they claim they make(or complain is being restricted by concord and such), exists in abundance in low and nullsec(aka majority of the systems in game).
and FW is the prime game mode set up for this. the thing CCP made for pvp. instead of complaining they could join FW and help create content where its wanted and needed.
caldari has alot of openings for a European timezone pvp core. but that potential pvp core is wasted by people who, isntead of joining FW and giving the European gallente FW core content. they instead sit in jita and annoy carebears
if people want to promote pvp, they can help the pvp game mode. instead of forcing it upon those who don't want it, and wont fight back.
hypothetically if FW dies, its because the potential pvpers, isntead of pvping. sat in jita picking on those who don't fight back....like carebears. while claiming "pvp content creation".
He can be a bit terse, but his merc alliance actually hunted and did not pipe and hub camp.
A lot of people kill easy stuff, the pipe and hub campers kill lots of silly stuff, to me it is kinda meh, but I am told I don't get Eve.
One issue is that hardly anyone in hisec fights back, so its just wrack a mole perfect assassination time on mainly nullbears passing through to market, which is kinda sad so I understand where you are coming from.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.28 15:40:36 -
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yeah I'll agree with you on cost, and I said this earlier in the thread Reverse cost scaling is something I'd like to see too. The system is currently arse backwards
As for helping the aggressors, mate, aggressive targeted wars were gutted a few months ago. Seriously 8 months ago there was a thriving and dynamic Mercenary scene with heaps of drama, infighting and shifting alliances, Loads of choice for a client in terms of service.
Now there's only around 5 or 6, including us. That's pretty much it.
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The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:03:29 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I've already explained years ago what needs to happen. Right now, there's no reason to have a corp in high sec, and no reason to stay in one. That needs to change. Corporations need to become commitments that players have to make. What so you can force people who PAY REAL MONEY to CCP to play as they please to play the game how you want? 1. High Sec PvP is not PVP, it is killing mission runners and miners 9/10 fights are ganks 2. You don't go to low/wh/null because you wouldn't last ten minutes 3. You're not a pvp pilot, you may get kills but you are a noob with boosts, end of story No, the second CCP forces players to play as the griefer community wants them to, eve is done High Sec doesn't need corps? Yeh go ahead, do away with all high sec corps and watch the market crash hard You sir are dumb as **** shut up Evasive Shadow Assassin, your in no position to lecture anyone on pvp
Lol you noob i do more real pvp in a week than you do in a month, ive seen your killboard, your just a fool
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Nomistrav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:05:24 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:yeah I'll agree with you on cost, and I said this earlier in the thread Reverse cost scaling is something I'd like to see too. The system is currently arse backwards As for helping the aggressors, mate, aggressive targeted wars were gutted a few months ago. Seriously 8 months ago there was a thriving and dynamic Mercenary scene with heaps of drama, infighting and shifting alliances, Loads of choice for a client in terms of service. Now there's only around 5 or 6, including us. That's pretty much it.
You have my condolences, sincerely. However, the War Dec system is something that needs to be looked over as a whole for the betterment of Eve's community, not just the high-sec Mercenaries. As said, I'm all for helping aggressors get their space opera back, but not until it's fun to be the defender, for a start. Having played station games, avoidance, and alt-maining for some seven months now, I can decidedly say that Eve Online is no longer fun when I'm playing in a completely different area of space than my corp, or when my corp-mates refuse to log-on. And to that end, changing things in further favor of aggressors right now might be the final nail in the coffin for some. Myself included.
There's no long-term value in aiding the high-sec mercenary in the interim when he'll just run out of targets due to increasingly slated gameplay. Defenders need to a reason to not fold and re-corp before we add another bullet point to why they should.
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The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:10:34 -
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There are no high sec mercs
people do not war deck for isk anymore, they go thru killboards and war dec everyone in sight
So stop sitting here calling yourselves mercs
Mercs take one contract and fulfill it
You are griefers, its that simple, your to cowardly to go to null/wh/low for fights because you cannot take your legion of alts and booster alts and because the most basic pvp in low sec is your better |
The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:17:05 -
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I also don't care how you respond to it
Any pilot who sits in Jita/Amarr/Dodixie/rens on the undocks waiting for newbs to undock or ganking mission runners and miners is not a pvp pilot
You may be doing what you refer to as "player vs player" but it is not, it is you attacking players, boosted to hell, legions of spy alts, killing people who CANNOT defend themselves and ganking every miner you see
Real pvp pilots LIKE MYSELF pvp in low/null, we attack pilots who are trying equally as hard to kill us, what we do is RISK VS REWARD
What you do is their risk of undocking vs your reward of looting their ships
You are not mercs
I am ex REAL MC. I flew under Selenee, you, are griefers, end of story
So stop calling yourself mercs
Oh and before you start the "show me where the bad man touched you bullshit"
Ive never died to a griefer because I am not stupid enough to join a corp in high sec
Your noobs, end of. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:40:40 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:I also don't care how you respond to it ... Real pvp pilots LIKE MYSELF pvp in low/null, we attack pilots who are trying equally as hard to kill us, what we do is RISK VS REWARD
What you do is their risk of undocking vs your reward of looting their ships
You are not mercs
I am ex REAL MC. I flew under Selenee, you, are griefers, end of story ... Ive never died to a griefer because I am not stupid enough to join a corp in high sec
Your noobs, end of. People who yell the loudest, often have the last worth listening to.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:49:54 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote: I am not stupid enough to join a corp in high sec
Except I've been at war with your main and all you did was talk smack. And I've personally tried to catch your stabbed ass. Get your head out of your arse, Chest beat all you want about your "real" PvP but you're still just as toxic, bitter and irrelevant as you were then.
The rest of your rant isn't worth addressing, applicable to some but not Devil's.
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The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:50:16 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote:I also don't care how you respond to it ... Real pvp pilots LIKE MYSELF pvp in low/null, we attack pilots who are trying equally as hard to kill us, what we do is RISK VS REWARD
What you do is their risk of undocking vs your reward of looting their ships
You are not mercs
I am ex REAL MC. I flew under Selenee, you, are griefers, end of story ... Ive never died to a griefer because I am not stupid enough to join a corp in high sec
Your noobs, end of. People who yell the loudest, often have the last worth listening to.
People who try to make fun of others often have shallow minds and vindictive personality's.
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The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:51:24 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote: I am not stupid enough to join a corp in high sec
Get your head out of your arse, Except I've been at war with your main and all you did was talk smack. And I've personally tried to catch your stabbed ass. Chest beat all you want about your "real" PvP but you're still just as bitter and irrelevant as you were then. The rest of your rant isn't worth addressing, applicable to some but not Devil's.
lol stabbed, show me ANY killmail of mine with stabs on, ever, i have NEVER fitted stabs
Standard griefer tactic
Don't like what they hear
So they start telling lies, calling sumone a stabbed monkey
You are predictable, down to your last comment
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19333
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:58:22 -
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You can level a lot things at me, but Liar is not one of them.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:01:58 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote: Go home, your drunk
You might want to disable comments on those poor quality videos you make.
I'm writing a comment bot now to post links over to your forum posts as s warning to anyone that might watch your channel and mistakenly think you have some sort of clue.
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Kara Hawke
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:05:44 -
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Gavascon wrote:maybe it's time to NOT let corporation members leave after a war dec has been dropped on them. OR let the corp members take the war with them if they do leave.
Well this is one of the stupidest things I've read on here. It's pretty obvious all you care about is ganking miners since you can't really pvp. Or else you wouldn't be operating in high sec, utilizing wardeccing and complaining on the forums. The game has wardecs that can last indefinitely and prevent people from pretty much playing the game, and you have the audacity to complain that people can quit corporations to get away from tools like you?
The ironic part is if CCP actually listened to your shortsighted, brainless idea, the majority of the non pvp mission runners and industry players would either quit or stay in NYC corporations and you'd have even less people to harass, and market prices would go through the roof. |
The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:15:20 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote: Go home, your drunk
You might want to disable comments on those poor quality videos you make. I'm writing a comment bot now to post links over to your forum posts as s warning to anyone that might watch your channel and mistakenly think you have some sort of clue.
Go for it, ill just remove your from the channel and ban you, I have zero tolerance for children with bad attitudes who use alts to post because they are to cowardly to use your main chars |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
211
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:17:18 -
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There are 2 options here.
Leave hi-sec and hang in low or null where there are lots of people to pvp and will shoot back. Will solve your issue.
Or sit in the safety of hi-sec and picking targets who wont shoot back and create forum posts. Which wont solve your issue.
We know what your choice is.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:17:36 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:they start telling lies, calling sumone a stabbed monkey
You are predictable, down to your last comment
Go home, your drunk
He may be drunk but you sir are uneducated, and Ralph will be sober by morning..
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19334
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:18:42 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote: Go home, your drunk
You might want to disable comments on those poor quality videos you make. I'm writing a comment bot now to post links over to your forum posts as s warning to anyone that might watch your channel and mistakenly think you have some sort of clue. Go for it, ill just remove your from the channel and ban you, I have zero tolerance for children with bad attitudes who use alts to post because they are to cowardly to use your main chars Bahaha, the irony.
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The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:20:32 -
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As I said, bitter little griefers who can't use link alts and are now getting there asses handed to them
go go
love it,
your tears on here, the hatred, the sarcasm, gives me more than enough reason to keep posting |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19334
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:27:24 -
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Scuse me but we're having one or the best months for fight's we have had in years. Intel, you suck at it.
And link alts ,which you are literally the only person her talking about, function just fine , the fact you seem to think it's impossible says a heap about you though it really does.
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The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:30:07 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Scuse me but we're having one or the best months for fight's web had in years.
And link alts ,which you are literally the only person her talking about, function just fine , the fact you seem to think it's impossible says a heap about you though it really does.
Look little griefer, people like you are the cancer to eve, it's that simple.
You are the morons who drive prices up, the idiots who gank miners, the fools who control auction houses on wow pushing mount prices up, youa re the cancer of humanity, disgusting little people who take pleasure in other peoples pain.
You act elite but your not, you sir and your alliance and pirat and marmite are the sole reasons eve has never grown in surges because you ruin peoples gameplay for your own enjoyment and you enjoy that kinda pain, you like the anger, the smack, the fighting with people, the abuse
Your disgusting, it's that simple |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:33:41 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:
Your disgusting, it's that simple
*You're
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19334
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:34:54 -
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There it is, Evasive Shadow Assassin everyone, laid bare.
It's a game, I choose to play differently than you do. There's nothing more to it than that.
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The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:37:09 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:There it is, Evasive Shadow Assassin everyone, laid bare.
It's a game, I choose to play differently than you do. There's nothing more to it than that.
You can quote my mains name all day long
don't forget Lord Whisker as well
End of the day you enjoy other peoples pain
It's that simple
Ill keep responding, I have nothing else better to do tnite :P5 |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:41:39 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:There it is, Evasive Shadow Assassin everyone, laid bare.
It's a game, I choose to play differently than you do. There's nothing more to it than that.
You can quote my mains name all day long don't forget Lord Whisker as well End of the day you enjoy other peoples pain It's that simple Ill keep responding, I have nothing else better to do tnite :P5 You could always revise your grammar.
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Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:50:24 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I'm pretty sure CCP's intention with war was that you are getting aggression Rights twords the corporation/alliance and not specifically the individuals.
Don't get me wrong I think it's a pain in the arse when a group you've been doing research on for a while just folds as soon as the Dec drops. But that's an issue with how Corps function on a fundamental level. Dec dodging as an entity is bad But Leaving a war as an individual is an absolute necessity. you can take that "nope" option away from wars, specifically when talking about line members and new recruits. On an individual basis one has to be able to leave the circumstances, If you can't hack it in null you can leave If you can't hack it in wormholes you can leave If you can't hack it low you can leave Highsec though? You can't go anywhere else, you're left with dropping corp or logging off and the latter isn't a healthy thing for the game.
Yes corporation and alliance mechanics suck, Yes I agree with you that it's far to easy to Dec dodg, Yes you absolutely should have your fees refunded. You can't lock the line members in though, You could make an arrangement for the leadership though I.e. the CEO and directors.
The plain reason why CCP doesnt lock folk to a corp during a war dec is that CCP has long realized that you cant force people to play the game. If a player wants to avoid a war they will; CCP simply lacks the tools to compel non-willing folk to engage in pvp. If a player doesnt like some aspect of the game they dont do it. And if they feel compelled to play that un-fun for them aspect - they log out. A player has always been able to avoid a war dec by simply logging out and playing an alt or another game. If a player is forced to log out for a long period of time, the chance of them returning to the game obviously decreases. CCP doesnt want to do anything that would increase the likelihood of folk logging out of the game instead of playing - so it is highly unlikely that ccp will ever tell a player that once a war dec has been declared you are stuck in the corp and must engage in battle.
The real problem with war decs is that they are entirely one sided. The typical war dec is some merc corp or group of individuals looking for low hanging fruit to kill. There is nothing in it for the defender. This is a game - not real life - so it is supposed to be fun for the players. It is clearly not fun for players to be fodder for somebody else's entertainment. Moreover, war dec is chock full of problematic game play - such as one man corp war decs that suddenly bloom into large corporations, or perma-dec's by folk that never undock who are doing it strictly for the harassment.
In short, War decs will continue to remain broken until such time as CCP creates incentives for play from both the Defenders and Attackers perspective.
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
107
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:56:24 -
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Ocean Ormand wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I'm pretty sure CCP's intention with war was that you are getting aggression Rights twords the corporation/alliance and not specifically the individuals.
Don't get me wrong I think it's a pain in the arse when a group you've been doing research on for a while just folds as soon as the Dec drops. But that's an issue with how Corps function on a fundamental level. Dec dodging as an entity is bad But Leaving a war as an individual is an absolute necessity. you can take that "nope" option away from wars, specifically when talking about line members and new recruits. On an individual basis one has to be able to leave the circumstances, If you can't hack it in null you can leave If you can't hack it in wormholes you can leave If you can't hack it low you can leave Highsec though? You can't go anywhere else, you're left with dropping corp or logging off and the latter isn't a healthy thing for the game.
Yes corporation and alliance mechanics suck, Yes I agree with you that it's far to easy to Dec dodg, Yes you absolutely should have your fees refunded. You can't lock the line members in though, You could make an arrangement for the leadership though I.e. the CEO and directors. The plain reason why CCP doesnt lock folk to a corp during a war dec is that CCP has long realized that you cant force people to play the game. If a player wants to avoid a war they will; CCP simply lacks the tools to compel non-willing folk to engage in pvp. If a player doesnt like some aspect of the game they dont do it. And if they feel compelled to play that un-fun for them aspect - they log out. A player has always been able to avoid a war dec by simply logging out and playing an alt or another game. If a player is forced to log out for a long period of time, the chance of them returning to the game obviously decreases. CCP doesnt want to do anything that would increase the likelihood of folk logging out of the game instead of playing - so it is highly unlikely that ccp will ever tell a player that once a war dec has been declared you are stuck in the corp and must engage in battle. The real problem with war decs is that they are entirely one sided. The typical war dec is some merc corp or group of individuals looking for low hanging fruit to kill. There is nothing in it for the defender. This is a game - not real life - so it is supposed to be fun for the players. It is clearly not fun for players to be fodder for somebody else's entertainment. Moreover, war dec is chock full of problematic game play - such as one man corp war decs that suddenly bloom into large corporations, or perma-dec's by folk that never undock who are doing it strictly for the harassment. In short, War decs will continue to remain broken until such time as CCP creates incentives for play from both the Defenders and Attackers perspective. random idea to make defenders want to defend
idea from FW when you kill an attacker from corp who war dec'd you. you get LP based on what ship it was (like in FW)
only applies for the defenders.....as otherwise high sec gankers would just continue to war dec everyone.
good idea? maybe not....but its an idea to encourage defenders. and thus make attackers 2nd guess if they want to dec war as they don't get LP for killing, and the enemy will actually be encouraged to fight back |
Epoch Veli
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
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Posted - 2016.11.28 18:59:26 -
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Gavascon wrote:well, CCP......maybe it's time to do something for those who like to declare war.
after all, you have done a lot for defenders. i.e.: ally system and the loss of a watch list.
The loss of a watchlist helps the offender as much as it does the defender. The ally system allows people to bring in their friends fairly instead of having them neutral rep. As it is, I would say high sec wardeccers have it plenty easy. They build their corp to do one thing, and as with ships in EVE, being built for one thing allows you to do it very well. You do clean up corps that have not performed for their members, and for that New Eden should thank you. I am worried that corps that may have grown given time are preyed on by the big fish, but if a corp folds because of a dec, then it was never meant to stand. I would like to see wars be more objective based. With the dec, an objective is declared and a concession made. IE: The war ends when a particular structure is destroyed, and the offense loses if X number of ships are lost. That would give the defense something to rally on, and a clear goal that they can achieve. As it is, so many wars are just to terrorize people on market hubs. |
Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.11.28 19:12:32 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Scuse me but we're having one or the best months for fight's web had in years.
And link alts ,which you are literally the only person her talking about, function just fine , the fact you seem to think it's impossible says a heap about you though it really does. Look little griefer, people like you are the cancer to eve, it's that simple. You are the morons who drive prices up, the idiots who gank miners, the fools who control auction houses on wow pushing mount prices up, youa re the cancer of humanity, disgusting little people who take pleasure in other peoples pain. You act elite but your not, you sir and your alliance and pirat and marmite are the sole reasons eve has never grown in surges because you ruin peoples gameplay for your own enjoyment and you enjoy that kinda pain, you like the anger, the smack, the fighting with people, the abuse Your disgusting, it's that simple
So butt-hurt dude, everything you write oozes impotent tears.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 19:25:10 -
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The problem with each and every idea about restricting what a player can do once their corp is war decced is none of them take into account what the player enjoys, and does not enjoy
This is a game. We play it for fun. This means we do thing in the game that we enjoy.
If I am a player that does not enjoy war, then I will not participate in one.
If the rules allow me to drop corp, then I will drop corp, and you will not be able to shoot me. If the rules say I cannot drop corp, or the war follows me, then I will not undock, or not log in for the duration. Result: same as now, you will not be able to shoot me.
As this proposed rule change results in absolutely no change in your ability to shoot me, why do it?
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