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Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:06:00 - [1] I'm starting to think maybe I'm missing something. I put an item up for auction, people keep sending me convos and mails with offers... Huh? Is there some scam or something that is possible with auctions? Are these people counting on my auction going unbid on? Don't quite get what these people are thinking... What's the deal? It's An Auction. Bid on it maybe?? Can anyone shed some light on this? It's making my wee brain cramp up due to logic depravation. ------------------- Say What?
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:19:00 - [2] Commerce knows no rules.
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:26:00 - [3] "I want it, I want it now" ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:28:00 - [4] I haven't messed with auctions yet, but is there no ability to set a buy-out price? Sounds like a feature that would be handy (pretty basic eBay thing). warp drive active \| nature vraie
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:31:00 - [5] Originally by: Winterblink I haven't messed with auctions yet, but is there no ability to set a buy-out price? Sounds like a feature that would be handy (pretty basic eBay thing). There is And to the OP: yes and yes There are certain scams where people try to make you setup a private auction just for them to "save on taxes" And yes, they give you an offer that you would consider if noone bids == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Larg Kellein Caldari GTE Corp Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:33:00 - [6] Most likely they're trying to scam you into setting up a private auction to "avoid taxes" (of which there are none on contracts, other than a fixed fee). They'll tell you to set the minimum bid to something like 1 isk with a buyout at the price you agree on. They then bid the minimum and take your stuff. Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Haffrage "I want it, I want it now" That one I could understand but I thought once you put an auction up you couldn't cancel it..? So nagging the seller isn't going to move the clock any faster. Originally by: Winterblink I haven't messed with auctions yet, but is there no ability to set a buy-out price? Sounds like a feature that would be handy (pretty basic eBay thing). Yep, there's buyout functionality. I always set mine for the rich and impatient. Originally by: Larg Kellein Edit: Eeeek, the OP is in my sig. Stalking ftw. We're Sorry, Something Happened ------------------- Say What?
Bluefix Gnu Terror Corps	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Roy Batty68 That one I could understand but I thought once you put an auction up you couldn't cancel it..? So nagging the seller isn't going to move the clock any faster. Auctions can be cancelled if noone have made a bid yet. ----------------------- I wanted this cool quote, but it was too long and now you have to settle with this sad signature.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Bluefix Originally by: Roy Batty68 That one I could understand but I thought once you put an auction up you couldn't cancel it..? So nagging the seller isn't going to move the clock any faster. Auctions can be cancelled if noone have made a bid yet. Ah ok. Makes a little more sense then. Guess I'll have to update my bio. "No I won't cancel my auction for your cheap ass. Go bug someone else." ------------------- Say What?
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Roy Batty68 I'm starting to think maybe I'm missing something. I put an item up for auction, people keep sending me convos and mails with offers... Huh? Is there some scam or something that is possible with auctions? Are these people counting on my auction going unbid on? Don't quite get what these people are thinking... What's the deal? It's An Auction. Bid on it maybe?? Can anyone shed some light on this? It's making my wee brain cramp up due to logic depravation. Got the same thing. A two day character ask me "Hey i want your item now for [my buyout - 20%]." I open the contract and see : Item needed : my item Cost : my buyout - 20% He wanted both my item + my isk. ===> starting characters should not be able to ask contracts... ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: Clavius Der I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:04:00 - [11] Sometimes if I see an Auction that is nearly over and no one has bid on it (and at a price I am not willing to pay) I'll mail the person and see if they want to make a deal. No scam...just a business proposal. Some are happy to unload it, others would rather let it sit on auction over and over. To each their own.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:23:00 - [12] Maybe you should enter: 'Scammers don't bother. I'm no idiot !' in the description field next time, if it fits. Maybe they stop sending you mails. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Humpalot Sometimes if I see an Auction that is nearly over and no one has bid on it (and at a price I am not willing to pay) I'll mail the person and see if they want to make a deal. No scam...just a business proposal. Some are happy to unload it, others would rather let it sit on auction over and over. To each their own. I could understand that but I haven't had any problems with stuff selling. I think as others have said, what I'm experiencing is people either not wanting to wait or not wanting to pay. /shrug ------------------- Say What?
Larg Kellein Caldari GTE Corp Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Plutoinum Maybe you should enter: 'Scammers don't bother. I'm no idiot !' in the description field next time, if it fits. Maybe they stop sending you mails. If only that worked Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:26:00 - [15] Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 04/04/2007 16:26:40 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Roy Batty68 I'm starting to think maybe I'm missing something. I put an item up for auction, people keep sending me convos and mails with offers... Huh? Is there some scam or something that is possible with auctions? Are these people counting on my auction going unbid on? Don't quite get what these people are thinking... What's the deal? It's An Auction. Bid on it maybe?? Can anyone shed some light on this? It's making my wee brain cramp up due to logic depravation. Got the same thing. A two day character ask me "Hey i want your item now for [my buyout - 20%]." I open the contract and see : Item needed : my item Cost : my buyout - 20% He wanted both my item + my isk. ===> starting characters should not be able to ask contracts... that wasn't kuckaa by any chance? i get mails&WTB-scams from him/her on every item exchange i set up in rens (no - i didnt fall for it) although i believe in people being smart, this red font is really confusing and outclasses the old x1 trick quite a bit. no whine but... change? i mean... the want to _buy_ is simply inappropriate if the money goes in the wrong direction :o
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:44:00 - [16] I dont get it with "Private auctions". Now i freely admit that i haven't tried this yet but... If someone wants to buy an item for, lets say, 1,000,000 isk in an auction and wants it to be private - so only they can bid on it. Now this is where most scams happen. Instead of making the starting bid 1 isk why can't you just make it 999,999 isk. Then make the auction last for 1 day only. This way if the person tries to "scam" you, you only loose 1 isk. Or can you not set a starting bid? (which seems a bit silly)
Christy Fox	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:47:00 - [17] I had a run in with kuckaa yesterday wanting to buy out one of my items for a couple million less on a sell contract not an auction. It cost as much to set up the seperate contract then to buy what i had to sell. Remember look at the contract carefully If both items and isk are red. they are wanting to take your money and the item. I told the guy he was an idiot and moved on.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Sphynix I dont get it with "Private auctions". Now i freely admit that i haven't tried this yet but... If someone wants to buy an item for, lets say, 1,000,000 isk in an auction and wants it to be private - so only they can bid on it. Now this is where most scams happen. Instead of making the starting bid 1 isk why can't you just make it 999,999 isk. Then make the auction last for 1 day only. This way if the person tries to "scam" you, you only loose 1 isk. Or can you not set a starting bid? (which seems a bit silly) The scammer plays on the seller's greed. When making a public auction, the seller gets taxed on his minimum bid. When selling faction items worth many hundred millions, this tax can be quite significant. The scammer suggests to make an auction, but keep the starting bid as 1isk/10isk/100isk, promising to pay the full amount on a bid, and luring the seller with the "great deal" of no tax. What people don't realise is that there is no tax for private contracts of any type to begin with. Another spin of this is saying that the buyer has to pay tax, and to avoid it, he would like a private auction, and then the same story follows. == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Harisdrop Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.04 17:08:00 - [19] goto your evemail and set the cspa charges to 10million isk. If they want to convo you they can pay the man for it. evemail can be ignored.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.05 02:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Harisdrop goto your evemail and set the cspa charges to 10million isk. If they want to convo you they can pay the man for it. evemail can be ignored. Is that the same place to set the cspa charges for a private conversation?
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.05 04:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Harisdrop goto your evemail and set the cspa charges to 10million isk. If they want to convo you they can pay the man for it. evemail can be ignored. I suppose that would work if you never, ever, get invited into a gang. Otherwise you would have one very irritated gang leader.
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.04.05 05:38:00 - [22] Edited by: Humpalot on 05/04/2007 05:35:31 Originally by: Roy Batty68 I think as others have said, what I'm experiencing is people either not wanting to wait or not wanting to pay. /shrug Barring the scammers I think that is spot on. Most people want instant gratification. If you are looking about for mods/ships you generally want them now and not later. Tossing a few hundred mil (or whatever) at an auction and waiting 3 days kinda sucks not to mention worrying about some other peep laying in a bid 1 minute before auction end and you have to start all over. Don't get me wrong...I understand the idea of the auction and have no issue with it and think it is a great addition in EVE but nevertheless it suffers from the wait times. And of course people do want deals. Most auctions IRL start with an attractive offer that would be considered a good buy and then hope the bidders keep going higher. That's why I find my approach to asking people whose auctions have not sold if they want to negotiate a lower price (in my case I am not playing the market...I want to actually use whatever it is and not resell it). I generally have a good idea of the worth of an item and look to find a slightly better deal. The seller can hold out for more or take the lower offer for immediate money. No better or worse to it as both have advantages/drawbacks to consider.

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