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Weird Alt Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:56:00 - [1] Many people that play EVE like to have the 'perfect' skill tree for them, maybe it's a perfectionist thing. Now most people have 'unwanted' skills that erm .... make there skill tree look untidy and quite frankly will never ever be used. Option 1) All players should be able to delete skills via there character sheet. Option 2) All players above the age of 12 months should be able to liquify skills and on the character sheet have a little box like 'liquid points' which can be applied to other skills. OFC there is a catch when you liquify your points you only get 1/3 back in return. This will help people personalise there characters and imo aid immersion as a little nifty backstory wont be hard to create for such an idea. Option 1 Backstory :- After spending half his life as a hardcore murdering pod pilot Wierd Alt wanted to turn his life around and forget the nightmares of his past so he took magnetic advo slip and of he went to the clinic. As he sat in the clinic chair falling drowsly in to a slumber he couldn't help wondering what his new life mining Veldspar would be like. (to have his bad memorys removed only problem with this it has to remove associated memorys i.e. the skills.)
Selya Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:15:00 - [2] No thanks.
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:16:00 - [3] Delete skillpoints to tidy up the place yes Putting any amount of them into other skills no.
Weird Alt Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Selya No thanks. The content of your reply overwhelmed me
Weird Alt Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Major Stormer Delete skillpoints to tidy up the place yes Putting any amount of them into other skills no. Yea this is my personal view aswell but was just thinking of a variations maybe someone will come up with a better idea which still relates to the original.
VaderDSL Caldari Incoherent Inc	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:23:00 - [6] Edited by: VaderDSL on 04/04/2007 14:20:15 You can unlearn skills at 5 times the speed of learning it, once unlearned you gain a 10/20/30/40/50 etc. percent increase to the primary attribute of the skill you unlearned for 12 hours the percent dictated by the rank of the skills, rank 1 - 10% etc. could be lowered to 5% per skill rank maybe. I know pathetic but could be fun !!! I've only got 5 more hours till I can unlearn laboratory operations 4!!!
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:24:00 - [7] Hi, I've decided that I can predict everything that will ever happen and at no point in time will I ever benefit from a 5% bonus to missile damage. I'm right now very content flying amarr and really just don't want any missile skills, and I assume that I won't ever be needing that skill anyway. I also expect to never ever need mining skills, as my corp isn't an industrial corp. Please enable me to remove all of the industry skills I assume I'll never use and when in a drunken stupor I decide to delete large pulse spec V reject my petition. Also, I'd really like it if I'm ever hacked that I have absolutely nothing to my name - not even my skills. Thanks ccp, much love. ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers
Weird Alt Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:34:00 - [8] 1) Originally by: Haffrage Hi, I've decided that I can predict everything that will ever happen and at no point in time will I ever benefit from a 5% bonus to missile damage. I'm right now very content flying amarr and really just don't want any missile skills, and I assume that I won't ever be needing that skill anyway. 2)I also expect to never ever need mining skills, as my corp isn't an industrial corp. Please enable me to remove all of the industry skills I assume I'll never use and when in a drunken stupor I decide to delete large pulse spec V reject my petition. Also, I'd really like it if I'm ever hacked that I have absolutely nothing to my name - not even my skills. Thanks ccp, much love. 1) Thats fine you make the choice, live with it 2) Some people will NEVER mine and never use them skills, its true . Well if you get drunk and do stupid thimgs, thats life don't complain deal with it, it is your fault for being an idiot . If you get hacked and your char gets deleted im sure CCP will restore it to a time just before the hackers got hold of it .
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:38:00 - [9] I'm all for it - got some unused &(#^ skills that need to go lol. 1.3rd redeemed sounds about right. Originally by:* Mastin Dragonfly Radio is essential for Amarr, to call the much needed backup...
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Weird Alt 1) Originally by: Haffrage Hi, I've decided that I can predict everything that will ever happen and at no point in time will I ever benefit from a 5% bonus to missile damage. I'm right now very content flying amarr and really just don't want any missile skills, and I assume that I won't ever be needing that skill anyway. 2)I also expect to never ever need mining skills, as my corp isn't an industrial corp. Please enable me to remove all of the industry skills I assume I'll never use and when in a drunken stupor I decide to delete large pulse spec V reject my petition. Also, I'd really like it if I'm ever hacked that I have absolutely nothing to my name - not even my skills. Thanks ccp, much love. 1) Thats fine you make the choice, live with it 2) Some people will NEVER mine and never use them skills, its true . Well if you get drunk and do stupid thimgs, thats life don't complain deal with it, it is your fault for being an idiot . If you get hacked and your char gets deleted im sure CCP will restore it to a time just before the hackers got hold of it . Some people will never mine, I don't deny that. It's like the people that always "knew" they would win something like american idol. They ALWAYS knew, just like the other 450,000 people that tried to get onto the show. Let's not create more problems by adding something that will generate them. You put it best, if you train a skill and don't want it, that's life don't complain deal with it, it is your fault for being an idiot ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers
Aterna Minmatar M'8'S	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:43:00 - [11] I can see it now. "I don't need this projectile skill, Minnie ships blow! Gallente ftw!" A year from now, "CCP, give me back my projectile skills, Gallente blow!" Yeah. No. I'll keep all my skills, regardless of how much I use them. Never know when you might need them. - - -
Motorcycle Emptiness Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Weird Alt 1) Originally by: Haffrage Hi, I've decided that I can predict everything that will ever happen and at no point in time will I ever benefit from a 5% bonus to missile damage. I'm right now very content flying amarr and really just don't want any missile skills, and I assume that I won't ever be needing that skill anyway. 2)I also expect to never ever need mining skills, as my corp isn't an industrial corp. Please enable me to remove all of the industry skills I assume I'll never use and when in a drunken stupor I decide to delete large pulse spec V reject my petition. Also, I'd really like it if I'm ever hacked that I have absolutely nothing to my name - not even my skills. Thanks ccp, much love. 1) Thats fine you make the choice, live with it 2) Some people will NEVER mine and never use them skills, its true . Well if you get drunk and do stupid thimgs, thats life don't complain deal with it, it is your fault for being an idiot . If you get hacked and your char gets deleted im sure CCP will restore it to a time just before the hackers got hold of it . the only reason I can see for getting rid of unused skills is clone costs. A conversion rate of 1 third sounds about right, so you can't just up two attribs to their limits and farm skill points. Flashing White Box (rank 1)
Jotan Veer Slaughterhouse	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:54:00 - [13] I really truly honestly wanna get rid of my defender missiles skill, every time I look at it it is burning my eyes to tears. Please CCP, have mercy.
Mojave Wayrest	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:55:00 - [14] I don't want the skillpoints redistributed, I'd be happy to sacrifice my small energy turret skillpoints. Its messing up my Projectile coolness!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:59:00 - [15] I don't get why anyone would want to lose any skill points. Sure I can't see a use for "small missile skill" or something now, but you never know when it might come in handy. Crazy people. --------
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:08:00 - [16] This thread should be renamed obsessive compulsive players support thread. My skill tree is not "clean" oh no! Burn me down so unclean.... UN a side note i have a dirty fix for u involving lost of POD kills and you! ;) Cheers
Jotan Veer Slaughterhouse	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:24:00 - [17] Edited by: Jotan Veer on 04/04/2007 15:20:40 Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur This thread should be renamed obsessive compulsive players support thread. No objection here. Quote: UN a side note i have a dirty fix for u involving lost of POD kills and you! I'm a dictor pilot, I get plenty of helpful people in this regard. However there are 3 issues with that, 1: can't select which skills I wanna lose, 2: the skills themselves stay in there forever even at 0% 3: I can do it myself, don't need help.
The Perpetrator Caldari Life Without Parole	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:29:00 - [18] Start a new character if it bothers you so much... and leave the rest of us out of this. There are a hundred other things I'd rather see the devs focused on than keeping your character sheet pretty.
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:30:00 - [19] "1) Thats fine you make the choice, live with it " An odd retort from someone who's asking to not have to live with his own choices.
Barrick Stormsworn Minmatar CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:32:00 - [20] I would love to be able to unlearn skills, if for not other reason than to clean up my skill efficiency :-P Hate having skills at 1 or even 0 that I'll never use (few though those maybe be) so it decreases my ratio of Skills:SPs.
d026 WIPE INC	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:04:00 - [21] Quote: Putting any amount of them into other skills no. why not?
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:17:00 - [22] My second accounts main has mining one. Cause everyone needs to know how to mine. But the way the character is generated now, you really need to think of what its going to be doing. I would like a chance/option to deleat skills, once you get as old as this one, clones start to cost alot of ISK. Oh if your drunk and do somthing 'stupid'...If the courts dont buy that, I dont see why CCP should. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Weird Alt Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:40:00 - [23] Originally by: Malcanis "1) Thats fine you make the choice, live with it " An odd retort from someone who's asking to not have to live with his own choices. Ahh yes Gaming Forums, always expect someone to take things out of context and to the extreme up to a point where the argument then becomes absurd and then derailed. I'll try to retort in a manner that is clear and in context and not jumping to extreme's, well I'll try This about liquifing SP NOT correcting mistakes, you may have been a bit of a Veldspar miner in your newb days for a few weeks or so and now you don't use and dont want them skills any more. Also with Character creation as it currently stands it is impossible for example to have a Ammar toon with only Minmatar skills, back story e.g. as follows. This Ammar Pod pilot when growing up always felt unsure about his faith and in his heart of hearts always disagreed with slavery ect ect. So he renounced his Ammar heritage and had the appropiate surgery to remove the 'memorys'. This is about giving the gamer what he/she wants without ruining the game, without ruining the backstory(infact this would be enhancing it ihmo). Also this is the important bit, this will enhance the game for some without nerfing it for others everyone may not win but who loses ? noone I want all the little extra's, all the little tweaks, beacuse all the little things really do count and can really make a game. Oh and to the crowds that say 'omgwtf we need all these other major issues sorting first'. Well what maybe a major issue to you may not be to me and just beacuse there are 'bigger' issues does that mean CCP should stop all new ideas and development untill them 'big' issues have been sorted
Iuris Proeliator Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:51:00 - [24] If your issue is having Amarr skills, being an AMarr and wanting all Minmitar skills for an RP background? No offense, deal with it. Work your story AROUND that. CCP provides the world, your RP is supposed to exist WITHIN that world, not bend the rules of it. Besides, what's so bad about it? Why wouldn't, for example, the Minimtar want an Amarr ally with some Amarr piloting skills... all the better for spy missions, or for heisting some Amarr ships, or just a tactical understanding of them. You see, it's THAT easy to add in a sensible explanation. As for the unwanted skills, no sorry, you made a choice, stick with it. You learned something, it made you more well rounded. However, I DO see the desire to "Tidy up" the tree. Thus, I have this idea as a solution: On the character sheet, under "Settings" add a check box for "View hidden skills." Now, allow people to right click a skill and flag it as "Hide/Show" Now, hidden skills will NOT show, even if you hit "Show all trainable skills." So, let's say, as a fan of Caldari ships/fighting methods, I plan to stick with just missiles/Hybrid turrets ((And I do.)) So... do I REALLY want all the projectile turret skills showing? The Energy turret skills? Simple fix! Flag them as hidden, decheck the box so hidden skills are just that, and voila! Clean, tidy skills page where I can see what I have yet to train, but have sorted out all I don't INTEND to train as well. Acceptable?
Starleena	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:53:00 - [25] I like the idea. We all have useless skills. I see nothing wrong with cashing them in for somthing else. I really get a kick out of people who find somthing wrong with everything! Knowing darn well that if this was implimented they would be the first ones turning in gunnery skills for missile skills!
Weird Alt Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.04 17:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Iuris Proeliator If your issue is having Amarr skills, being an AMarr and wanting all Minmitar skills for an RP background? 1) No offense, deal with it. Work your story AROUND that. CCP provides the world, your RP is supposed to exist WITHIN that world, not bend the rules of it. 2) Besides, what's so bad about it? Why wouldn't, for example, the Minimtar want an Amarr ally with some Amarr piloting skills... all the better for spy missions, or for heisting some Amarr ships, or just a tactical understanding of them. You see, it's THAT easy to add in a sensible explanation. 3) As for the unwanted skills, no sorry, you made a choice, stick with it. You learned something, it made you more well rounded. 4) However, I DO see the desire to "Tidy up" the tree. Thus, I have this idea as a solution: On the character sheet, under "Settings" add a check box for "View hidden skills." Now, allow people to right click a skill and flag it as "Hide/Show" Now, hidden skills will NOT show, even if you hit "Show all trainable skills." So, let's say, as a fan of Caldari ships/fighting methods, I plan to stick with just missiles/Hybrid turrets ((And I do.)) So... do I REALLY want all the projectile turret skills showing? The Energy turret skills? Simple fix! Flag them as hidden, decheck the box so hidden skills are just that, and voila! Clean, tidy skills page where I can see what I have yet to train, but have sorted out all I don't INTEND to train as well. Acceptable? 1) What so every tweak is bending the rules now ? no offence taken 2) It doesn't give me the option to develope my RP within the game. More avenues of option the better where RP is concerned. 3) why ? If I want to develop my character (or undevelop it ) the way I want to, why can't I if it doen't affect anyone else's gameplay ? 4) A very good idea and it will work for some people but to others it will seem like 'brushing it under the carpet', so acceptable ? yes and no. I don't see why something that enhances some peoples gameplay and doesn't effect others should/would be a problem.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.04 17:15:00 - [27] You "liquify" a skill. Two patches later that very same skill becomes the next "win button"......
Weird Alt Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.04 17:33:00 - [28] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan You "liquify" a skill. Two patches later that very same skill becomes the next "win button"...... Well some might but I doubt there will be many cases of this and if it does ** happens train it again thats the risk you take for a 'perfect' skill tree , but what about mining level I and veld' procc' level III or w/e you get the picture. No need for them on my uber strict PvP Minnie. Anyway the thread has been moved here and will probably die now any how, I didn't post it here beacuse even though it had the word skill** in it I imagined this had a more appeal to Eve players in general, I was wrong it seems .
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:15:00 - [29] you might have a buddy that needs some veld refined one day. Never know. Then again I'm the type that thinks nothing is ever totaly useless forever.
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Weird Alt Originally by: Malcanis "1) Thats fine you make the choice, live with it " An odd retort from someone who's asking to not have to live with his own choices. Ahh yes Gaming Forums, always expect someone to take things out of context and to the extreme up to a point where the argument then becomes absurd and then derailed. I'll try to retort in a manner that is clear and in context and not jumping to extreme's, well I'll try This about liquifing SP NOT correcting mistakes, you may have been a bit of a Veldspar miner in your newb days for a few weeks or so and now you don't use and dont want them skills any more. Also with Character creation as it currently stands it is impossible for example to have a Ammar toon with only Minmatar skills, back story e.g. as follows. This Ammar Pod pilot when growing up always felt unsure about his faith and in his heart of hearts always disagreed with slavery ect ect. So he renounced his Ammar heritage and had the appropiate surgery to remove the 'memorys'. This is about giving the gamer what he/she wants without ruining the game, without ruining the backstory(infact this would be enhancing it ihmo). Also this is the important bit, this will enhance the game for some without nerfing it for others everyone may not win but who loses ? noone I want all the little extra's, all the little tweaks, beacuse all the little things really do count and can really make a game. Oh and to the crowds that say 'omgwtf we need all these other major issues sorting first'. Well what maybe a major issue to you may not be to me and just beacuse there are 'bigger' issues does that mean CCP should stop all new ideas and development untill them 'big' issues have been sorted Funny, because that's the definition of fixing a mistake. What, you made a choice you were uninformed about? Take your own advice and deal with it. Saying that something is taken out of context doesn't make their statement any less true, you're being a hypocrite about this entire idea. Don't care what or how you're trying to justify something, if you're being a hypocrite and totally nullifying your own idea it tends to, I don't know, nullify your own idea. OP decided his own idea won't work out well, thread over. ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers

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