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Quillan Rage E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.04 23:56:00 - [1] I realise I will probably get flamed for this but really could not give a **** 1.) If you fly a capital ship, then be prepared to loose it...... you are happy to let your assigned fighters take down the enemy but as soon as you loose it...PETITION!!!! I post this cos of CJ.... whilst killboard links are banned, in this case it is needed for proof..... http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=68727 The guy lost a carrier fare and square, he agressed a friendly scout then got bumped away then continued to attack ships with his fighters how the hell can anyone petition that? My point is CJ's comment of "being petitioned same as the other one" is like - oh.... we lost a carrier cos the enemy got the better of us... but we can petition it and it will more than likely be replaced! I was of the understanding that CCP never refund PVP losses, as numerous times I have lost expensive ships to lag and have been told that they cannopt prove the lag... fair enough I takers that... Point is, if you want to bring a Capital ship into an engagement, then when you loose it through being incompetent, don't expect a replacement through a petition... and lets face it, fitting a tech 1 cap recharger and only having 2 fighters in your drone bay really should scream "I am noty worthy of a carrier anyway!" Kittens in Tinfoil Hats
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.04.04 23:58:00 - [2] interesting thread while razor members inanother thread are claiming that 27 coalition dreads have been replaced after being destroyed in the seige at F-te1t. Tell your pilots that Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign.
Quillan Rage E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:03:00 - [3] well done for missing the point.... When yopur screen freezes for 10 minutes, no modules work, and you crash to desktop, log back in and are in a pod or a station.... or you click on your modules and nothing happnes for days.... then fine PETITION!!! When you loose a ship through being incompetent.... why should you get it back through a petition Kittens in Tinfoil Hats
Atreus Minmatarius Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:05:00 - [4] i myself petition everything. if i warp to the wropng gate i file petition demanding gm returns me to my original position so i can give it another try p.s. look at it this way...if they give it back... we get to kill it again what i say is my own opinion and does not represent any entity other than myself
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Quillan Rage well done for missing the point.... When yopur screen freezes for 10 minutes, no modules work, and you crash to desktop, log back in and are in a pod or a station.... or you click on your modules and nothing happnes for days.... then fine PETITION!!! When you loose a ship through being incompetent.... why should you get it back through a petition oh so you were playing as the pilot and know that none of those things happened? Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:12:00 - [6] I think that CCP made a huge misstake with Reimbursement. Once you start to reimburse **. people will push the border further and further. in UO nothing was reimbursed. Lag or whatnot. you play the game and so u take the risk you lose what you got. Lag, disconnect whatever else didn't matter. easy as that. MMORPGs are games where EVERYBODY knows. if the sh hits the fan your stuff is gone. And i mean: - node crashes - lags - desync - disconnects. Whoever starts to play an MMORPG knows that or should know it. If you lose it. it's gone. I NEVER petitioned any ship loss whatsoever in eve. I had lag as well and crashed in the middle of fights or had a desync or whatnot. I play the game and I know what the problem is. If I can't afford to lose it. I do not sit in it. easy as that. regards c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Quillan Rage E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:12:00 - [7] flame on..... Kittens in Tinfoil Hats
Thargat Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:15:00 - [8] Nothing should get reimbursed. Ever. Just my thoughts on the matter. If you don't like what I say, just ignore it, or admit I got to you.
Red Gabba Use Of Weapons	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:16:00 - [9] nope he has a point, people must expect to lose there cap ship in large fleet battles, otherwise you are simply using the petition as a bad game mechanic, your side caused the lag, then your side petitions the loses, your side was incompetent Originally by: Quillan Rage well done for missing the point.... When yopur screen freezes for 10 minutes, no modules work, and you crash to desktop, log back in and are in a pod or a station.... or you click on your modules and nothing happnes for days.... then fine PETITION!!! When you loose a ship through being incompetent.... why should you get it back through a petition
Asylum Seaker Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:18:00 - [10] Originally by: c0rn1 I think that CCP made a huge misstake with Reimbursement. Once you start to reimburse **. people will push the border further and further. in UO nothing was reimbursed. Lag or whatnot. you play the game and so u take the risk you lose what you got. Lag, disconnect whatever else didn't matter. easy as that. MMORPGs are games where EVERYBODY knows. if the sh hits the fan your stuff is gone. And i mean: - node crashes - lags - desync - disconnects. Whoever starts to play an MMORPG knows that or should know it. If you lose it. it's gone. I NEVER petitioned any ship loss whatsoever in eve. I had lag as well and crashed in the middle of fights or had a desync or whatnot. I play the game and I know what the problem is. If I can't afford to lose it. I do not sit in it. easy as that. regards c0rn1 Unfortunatley this isn't really the case any more since MMO became synonymous with WOW, a game where you never lose anything and your every need is catered too. Memento Mori.
Meriones TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:20:00 - [11] I didnt even look at who was on the KM and I dont even care who is on it. If what you said is true then yeah its a bunch of bull getting a ship back under those circumstances. The whole thing with what happend in f-t like my buddy Torsh brought up, I dont think that should be reimbursed either. Large Fleet engagments are terrible for lag. Throw in hundreds of fighters, drones, all the other good stuff your gonna be lagged to death jumping into that mess. You know how it is before you even go. But I think there is another post for that discussion.
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Meriones snip If what you said is true then yeah its a bunch of bull snip This is the key part of your statement. I'm not going to comment on what the OP claimed or make specific reference to his alliance's historical credibility. I do understand that it's frustrating to have an easy win reversed, but Fix differs in this sense as we have never been one to look for shallow victories. What I will say is that Fix has a different version of events. Undocking in ED- has become much like Jita in the last week, even with as little as 20 pilots in system. We have lost many ships in the past without the need or desire to pursue re-imbursement. In this case we felt it was warranted, fair and necessary to request the ship replacement. We also need the wider undocking problem addressed. The petition will be pursued. Fix please stay out of the rest of this thread. Leave them to it, we have other priorities. Fix Military Director
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:57:00 - [13] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/04/2007 00:55:43 --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Meriones snip If what you said is true then yeah its a bunch of bull snip This is the key part of your statement. I'm not going to comment on what the OP claimed or make specific reference to his alliance's historical credibility. I do understand that it's frustrating to have an easy win reversed, but Fix differs in this sense as we have never been one to look for shallow victories. What I will say is that Fix has a different version of events. Undocking in ED- has become much like Jita in the last week, even with as little as 20 pilots in system. We have lost many ships in the past without the need or desire to pursue re-imbursement. In this case we felt it was warranted, fair and necessary to request the ship replacement. We also need the wider undocking problem addressed. The petition will be pursued. Fix please stay out of the rest of this thread. Leave them to it, we have other priorities. Yeah those undocking "problems" that include you undocking a carrier to gank a frig and redock several times an hour. And I guess the petition was for being bumped off the station? If you know there is a hostile gang capable of killing your carrier sitting outside your station, and you undock a carrier, what exactly is the problem with the game when you lose it? -------------------------------------
geewiz InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.05 01:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Meriones snip If what you said is true then yeah its a bunch of bull snip This is the key part of your statement. I'm not going to comment on what the OP claimed or make specific reference to his alliance's historical credibility. I do understand that it's frustrating to have an easy win reversed, but Fix differs in this sense as we have never been one to look for shallow victories. What I will say is that Fix has a different version of events. Undocking in ED- has become much like Jita in the last week, even with as little as 20 pilots in system. We have lost many ships in the past without the need or desire to pursue re-imbursement. In this case we felt it was warranted, fair and necessary to request the ship replacement. We also need the wider undocking problem addressed. The petition will be pursued. Fix please stay out of the rest of this thread. Leave them to it, we have other priorities. May I ask how exactly his lag was so bad that he was able to lock a scout and agress him? Then agress multiple targets after he was nudged away from station? TBH looks to me like he had a go at a nice cheap gank then died. Also to the guy trying to compare this to F-T just lol. Never loading system then being killed upto ONE HOUR after you jump in when you've only had a blank screen is a country mile away from what happened in this instance. I also think you'll find that posting the comment "being petitioned same as the other one" on your own killboard is what made the OP feel the need to post this. gee
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.05 01:43:00 - [16] I would have sympathy if Fix hasn't been prairie dogging with that station for last month.
Georgio Bandanas School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.04.05 04:08:00 - [17] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Tisanta Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.05 04:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Quillan Rage well done for missing the point.... When yopur screen freezes for 10 minutes, no modules work, and you crash to desktop, log back in and are in a pod or a station.... or you click on your modules and nothing happnes for days.... then fine PETITION!!! When you loose a ship through being incompetent.... why should you get it back through a petition oh so you were playing as the pilot and know that none of those things happened? guess you missed the whole "he sent fighters on to us"....not only did he used his fighters but emphasizing US meaning he could switch targets but hey i wasnt there either, go figure
Dahin Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.05 04:14:00 - [19] Edited by: Dahin on 05/04/2007 04:10:51 nvm... the mod got to it first
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.05 04:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Meriones snip If what you said is true then yeah its a bunch of bull snip This is the key part of your statement. I'm not going to comment on what the OP claimed or make specific reference to his alliance's historical credibility. I do understand that it's frustrating to have an easy win reversed, but Fix differs in this sense as we have never been one to look for shallow victories. What I will say is that Fix has a different version of events. Undocking in ED- has become much like Jita in the last week, even with as little as 20 pilots in system. We have lost many ships in the past without the need or desire to pursue re-imbursement. In this case we felt it was warranted, fair and necessary to request the ship replacement. We also need the wider undocking problem addressed. The petition will be pursued. Fix please stay out of the rest of this thread. Leave them to it, we have other priorities. Excuse me sir, how can you call this petition for reimbursement "fair and necessary" ? An hour before this incident, a small gang of ours where in the system, one was the bait, rest waited outside, nothing special, you know this tactics well, so you even manged to undock, kill the bait, and redock in time, before the main gang started to deal serious damage. I was playing the bait myself several times after this, and none of the ships that undocked showed some lag problems, as they redocked again after being aggroed, always in time. This thing with the carrier was similar. The main gang was not in ED- when the Carrier undocked. ED- had actually only a few pilots in, most of them from you, so the Carrier pilot might have thought he can have an easy kill here. The main gang jumped in when the scout reported that he was agressed by the Carrier. So if the Carrier was able to agress, it was not lagged out. Yes, we bumped it away from the station, but bumping is used everywhere in battels, expecially in front of station, and this has not been regarded as a petitionable action so far, im sure you do it aswell. The carrier was obviously repairing at the beginning (till he ran out of cap because of the cheap moduels he has fitted), and he attacked one of us with fighters. So no, he was not lagged out. During the fight one Brutix docked off and attacked one of us right after undocking - this showed the system is fine, sorry. If everyone starts to petition everything, just caus there might be a chance to get it replaced even no lag involved, this will kill the game. I never petitioned a pvp-loss yet, even if it was quite laggy sometimes when i lost it, but statements like this will make me think twice about it, next time.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.04.05 06:17:00 - [21] Those people who petition stuff they lost in normal PvP should get warnings and bans! I hear it already so many times 'I lost my ship in pvp, I petition it.' Those people are the reason why CCP has sometimes long queues before the petitions are answered. Those people are responsible that the urgent petitions are not looked up quickly because CCP is bombarded with useless spam-petitions! A petition doesn't mean that you will get your ship backs. And in the case the OP mentions I really hope that CCP will give the the petitioners a swat with a bat! It is something different if you loose your ship because the server is completely messed up and you cannot do anything at all. That is a technical reason and has nothing to do with gameplay.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.05 06:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Thargat Nothing should get reimbursed. Ever. Just my thoughts on the matter. Agreed.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.05 06:59:00 - [23] Edited by: Plutoinum on 05/04/2007 06:56:31 Originally by: Gnulpie Those people who petition stuff they lost in normal PvP should get warnings and bans! I hear it already so many times 'I lost my ship in pvp, I petition it.' Those people are the reason why CCP has sometimes long queues before the petitions are answered. Those people are responsible that the urgent petitions are not looked up quickly because CCP is bombarded with useless spam-petitions! A petition doesn't mean that you will get your ship backs. And in the case the OP mentions I really hope that CCP will give the the petitioners a swat with a bat! It is something different if you loose your ship because the server is completely messed up and you cannot do anything at all. That is a technical reason and has nothing to do with gameplay. Agree. This is stupid. If you play dock/undock games with a carrier at a camped station, get bumped away and lose it, then you knew what you were going to do and knew the risk. Killing that ship was fair and camping a station 23/7 and letting noone out in 0.0 is also fair. Don't like to be camped, then clonejump out, but if you play undocking games and even aggress, you are fully aware of what you are doing. If a GM returns it, I hope he gets overruled or someone steps in and releases a new guidelines for GMs not to reimburse such things. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Gralgathor Caldari AFK	Posted - 2007.04.05 07:25:00 - [24] "One reimbursement per account" would be a good rule to prevent unnecessary reimbursements while still allowing players to recover from a major lag-related loss. Players would think very hard about petitioning a loss if they only get one ship back, ever. -------
Ras'lot Caldari Infinite Style Incorporated YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.05 07:29:00 - [25] IMHO, if you loose a ship due to any situation cause by players(for example, lag) you have no place asking for it to be replaced since lag is a known issue, creating it is only your own fault and noone elses. Ofcourse there are situations in which petitions should be allowed for example if you log in early in the morning(ET) and find yourself fighting a couple of immortal rats and getting killed by them, then sure go ahead and petition. <jedi persuation> BUT YOU SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO GET SHIP BACK BECAUSE OF LAGG! </jedi persuation> <SIG IS HERE!> I fight for the honor not for the price.

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.05 08:30:00 - [26] This is not the correct section to discuss the re-imbursement program. Also you should not posts about anyones case in particular as this is not allowed. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| [email protected] \| ME They call me Hutch. I have forgoten why


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