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Beast of Revelations Hedion University Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2016.12.07 00:51:12 - [1] - Quote Had heard that they won't shoot you there if you aren't red to them (at least as a general rule - I know individual pirates and anyone roaming through there can do what they want). So I have gone and tried to conduct business there recently. I have been shot. I've run into gate camps, lost several ships, yadda yadda (not complaining, just explaining). Even just now (5 minutes ago) I ran into a gate camp, complete with interdiction bubble (or whatever it is called). I somehow managed to get away from that one, although I have no idea how (they had Sabres and what not). I think it was just pure luck. I'm simply trying to figure out how things work is all. One or more of these is true: 1) What I've been told is wrong, and they do shoot anybody and everybody. 2) I don't know what color I am (I'm 'red' but don't know it). 3) I see a lot of independent pirates and PvP'ers operating on their own, doing what they want (basically shooting the place up). If 1, just tell me the real deal. If 2, tell me how I can ascertain my color (as well as other people's color - my overview just shows grey I think). If 3... that one is kind of weird. How do a couple of independent pirates set up bubble camps over gates and indiscriminately kill whatever they can without the main corps or sov holders coming in and breaking it up, running the people off? Also, any general advice? Thanks.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 10330	Posted - 2016.12.07 01:51:08 - [2] - Quote The hard part, as I recall (it's been a while since I visited), is getting in to Providence. Once you are in and settled, things are much less chaotic. But it still ain't high-sec. You still need friends or a scout alt before attempting most basic space stuff. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Memphis Baas 2430	Posted - 2016.12.07 02:17:33 - [3] - Quote So, it's nullsec space. Free-for-all PVP. The Providence locals promise not to shoot you, as they have a NRDS policy, unless you get on their KOS list. However, everybody else on the way there + all their enemies and pirates looking for a fight WILL enter their space and WILL shoot you and everyone they can shoot. You're entering a war zone, basically, between the Providence locals and all their neighbors / other PVP'ers looking for a fight, and as a neutral stranger you're just about the last on their list of worries. Between saving your ship and saving their miners or ratters or other members who happen to be in space, they'll go ahead and save their people and leave you to fend for yourself. So, read their FAQ, get on their intel channels, so that you, too, can see when they start yelling about enemy sighted coming in from x or y direction, and add all of the corporations / alliances listed under section 2 in that FAQ as contacts with blue standings for you, so you'll at least know who the locals are. But yeah, you can still run into pirates or enemies camping the only 2? 3? routes into the Providence zone. It's not high-sec, there's only a couple paths you can take, and veterans know them.
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 1106	Posted - 2016.12.07 02:38:36 - [4] - Quote I know some people who go there just because of that very same sentiment, knowing many will oddly think that means they'll be safe to do their business there as long as they stay out of trouble and not intentionally **** locals off. What you have been told is in fact not likely wrong, just not really inclusive of all the details that would have been important, like an ad that tells you all the great things about this hot deal but leaves out all the extra hidden "maintenance" fees, restrictions, and consequences. As a general rule of thumb, the old phrase, "If it's too good to be true, it probably is," sits right next to, "Don't fly what you cannot afford to loose." In any case, sorry for rambling without giving any actually good suggestions. I do hope you find a way around. Stay safe and fly dangerous, mate. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Memphis Baas 2431	Posted - 2016.12.07 02:46:34 - [5] - Quote Ultimately, NRDS is "not red, don't shoot", not "not red, treat as your long lost best friend." It's like going on an international vacation, the locals are like Great, another ******* tourist! fake-smile
Ayx Shewma The Scope Gallente Federation 114	Posted - 2016.12.07 04:02:28 - [6] - Quote It's a helluva lot easier, and more painless, to just treat everyone as the enemy. And never forget it's a two-way street.
Memphis Baas 2431	Posted - 2016.12.07 04:16:57 - [7] - Quote Yup, there's another thread discussing NBSI vs. NRDS.
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2280	Posted - 2016.12.07 04:41:42 - [8] - Quote If this is the account you used to come to Providence, I can already assure you that you are not on our red list and should there for not get attacked by any of the Providence sov holders. Could you give me more details as to what systems were giving you trouble? Edit: I just looked at your combat history and I see the problem. The people that have been shooting you are not locals, they are pirates, the Dital gate is notorious for being camped all the time, we break up the camps regularly, but I would advise a different route into Providence next time. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Captain Dingles Vapid Vacuums Inc. Rebel Alliance of New Eden 81	Posted - 2016.12.07 05:10:36 - [9] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usipm1dMX6M This was one of the first impressions I had of eve and it made me work up the courage to play this masterpeice that is freakin EVE.
Beast of Revelations Hedion University Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2016.12.07 05:52:21 - [10] - Quote KuroVolt wrote: If this is the account you used to come to Providence, I can already assure you that you are not on our red list and should there for not get attacked by any of the Providence sov holders. This one, plus another one. Will send details in a PM. Quote: The people that have been shooting you are not locals, they are pirates, the Dital gate is notorious for being camped all the time, we break up the camps regularly, but I would advise a different route into Providence next time. Today it was the Kari gate. Bubble camp with Sabre, a Typhoon battleship of all things, at least 1 frig, maybe more. I'd think a pirate would be reluctant to take a slow-ass battleship off to a bubble-camping gig in a hostile (to him) sov. I mean, his mates might get out, but he's a sitting duck if you and corp-mates organized something to go break that camp up. Saw lots of wrecks and floating corpses, so they were getting people. Kept thinking if they could do that with impunity, they must be locals and I must either have the policy there wrong, or they were shooting reds and I'm a red because I haven't gotten on any 'green' list. Anyway, thanks for the help. And by the way (responding to other posts), no, I didn't expect to be greeted with open arms and some kind of red carpet being rolled out. And yes, I expected to be shot at at least on occasion, even lose ships from time to time. I guess I just didn't expect it to be a full on war zone with gate camps all over the place and basically looking like, well, 'normal' null sec areas.

KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2282	Posted - 2016.12.07 06:09:52 - [11] - Quote It is possible that the gate camp you got away from was in fact a friendly gate camp that was trying to intercept pirates, and the reason you got "lucky" is because you are not a known pirate and they let you pass. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1366	Posted - 2016.12.07 06:14:00 - [12] - Quote Once you're in null, if people are blowing up ships, it isn't griefing. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Beast of Revelations Hedion University Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2016.12.07 06:35:22 - [13] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: Once you're in null, if people are blowing up ships, it isn't griefing. Never said a single word about 'griefing' or anything else. Just want to know the scoop is all. KuroVolt wrote: It is possible that the gate camp you got away from was in fact a friendly gate camp that was trying to intercept pirates, and the reason you got "lucky" is because you are not a known pirate and they let you pass. I checked the names against the KOS list. They are kill on sight. Also, they did shoot at me, and tried to warp scram me, I just got extremely lucky. They are also dedicated. More than 5 hours later I saw their camp again just now (complete with bubble), same gate, and one of the guys is sitting on the OTHER side of the gate in Kari, I guess to let his mates know a target is on the way.
Grymmstorm Kings of Groth 12	Posted - 2016.12.07 06:50:57 - [14] - Quote Beast of Revelations wrote: KuroVolt wrote: If this is the account you used to come to Providence, I can already assure you that you are not on our red list and should there for not get attacked by any of the Providence sov holders. This one, plus another one. Will send details in a PM. Quote: The people that have been shooting you are not locals, they are pirates, the Dital gate is notorious for being camped all the time, we break up the camps regularly, but I would advise a different route into Providence next time. Today it was the Kari gate. Bubble camp with Sabre, a Typhoon battleship of all things, at least 1 frig, maybe more. I'd think a pirate would be reluctant to take a slow-ass battleship off to a bubble-camping gig in a hostile (to him) sov. I mean, his mates might get out, but he's a sitting duck if you and corp-mates organized something to go break that camp up. Saw lots of wrecks and floating corpses, so they were getting people. Kept thinking if they could do that with impunity, they must be locals and I must either have the policy there wrong, or they were shooting reds and I'm a red because I haven't gotten on any 'green' list. Anyway, thanks for the help. And by the way (responding to other posts), no, I didn't expect to be greeted with open arms and some kind of red carpet being rolled out. And yes, I expected to be shot at at least on occasion, even lose ships from time to time. I guess I just didn't expect it to be a full on war zone with gate camps all over the place and basically looking like, well, 'normal' null sec areas. Me and a friend used to gate camp in low sec in a pair of Megs, so it's not unheard of to gate camp in battleships.
Beast of Revelations Hedion University Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2016.12.07 08:57:51 - [15] - Quote Grymmstorm wrote: Me and a friend used to gate camp in low sec in a pair of Megs, so it's not unheard of to gate camp in battleships. Gate camping in battleships in low-sec wasn't the thing that was unheard of to me. Doing it in no-sec where you have no sov and are 'hostile' to the owners of the sov - that's what I thought was strange. Other ships could potentially get away if the 'owners' decide to break up the camp. But seems a battleship would be a big risk.
Ravana 729 KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 25	Posted - 2016.12.07 10:28:44 - [16] - Quote My wife hangs out in Providence and she says to enter through Kari, and if you're looking for a populated safer area make your way to X6AB-Y.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8261	Posted - 2016.12.07 10:46:06 - [17] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: So, it's nullsec space. Free-for-all PVP. The Providence locals promise not to shoot you, as they have a NRDS policy, unless you get on their KOS list. I used to be on it, but apparently I'm not anymore. Whelp, looks like I have to go blow up some CVA nerds. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8261	Posted - 2016.12.07 10:47:31 - [18] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: Once you're in null, if people are blowing up ships, it isn't griefing. If people are blowing up your ships anywhere, it isn't griefing. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska 1640	Posted - 2016.12.07 12:02:49 - [19] - Quote TLDR: Provi does not secure their entry/exit points. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Memphis Baas 2437	Posted - 2016.12.07 12:17:15 - [20] - Quote Actually, if they did, it would look like the gate camps the OP saw, and "miraculously" escaped. A neutral who's not in the intel channels and who hasn't set standings towards the locals wouldn't be able to tell who's in the gatecamp and for what purpose, when he loads local after jumping through a gate. It just looks like a bubble, several combat ships, you have to assume they'll shoot.

Beast of Revelations Hedion University Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2016.12.07 12:20:20 - [21] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Actually, if they did, it would look like the gate camps the OP saw, and "miraculously" escaped. Well, as I've said three times, they attempted scram, and shot. And as I said once, I checked their names against the KOS list - they are all on there. I didn't escape because of skill - I have none. So the only thing I can think of is that it was luck. Who knows, maybe they were a little slow on the draw because they had been sitting there a while.
Memphis Baas 2437	Posted - 2016.12.07 12:26:25 - [22] - Quote You have to treat us like clueless news stations who weren't at the scene yet feel the need to argue facts they don't know amongst each other. We aren't attacking you... well, I aren't, at least.
Beast of Revelations Hedion University Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2016.12.07 15:56:13 - [23] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: You have to treat us like clueless news stations who weren't at the scene yet feel the need to argue facts they don't know amongst each other. We aren't attacking you... well, I aren't, at least. Ahhh... fair enough. No harm, no foul.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2827	Posted - 2016.12.07 16:11:58 - [24] - Quote You have to understand that the "NRDS" thing that makes Provi attractive to people who want to dip their toe into the null-sec waters without really committing also makes it a lovely hunting ground for... everyone else. Spectre Fleet <3s Providence. It's probably one of the most consistently hostile regions in the game, with far more death and destruction than most any region that isn't currently engaged in a war. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Salvos Rhoska 1642	Posted - 2016.12.07 17:30:15 - [25] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Actually, if they did, it would look like the gate camps the OP saw, and "miraculously" escaped. A neutral who's not in the intel channels and who hasn't set standings towards the locals wouldn't be able to tell who's in the gatecamp and for what purpose, when he loads local after jumping through a gate. It just looks like a bubble, several combat ships, you have to assume they'll shoot. Entirely accurate and valid post. But as I said, nontheless, Provi does not secure its entry/exit points. Cynically,might infact be Provi alts running these gate camps: A) they secure their mains activities by restricting access from reds, neutrals and blues. B) they clandestinely reduce competition within Provi by knowingly restricting blue access past their gate camp alt. C) This is rational, both to secure the Provi region against incursion, and to support your alts security/profit in their endevours within Provi. I cant speak to Provi border control policy, but as is increasingly the realisation in IRl domestic policy, if you dont have, guard and enforce a border, you will be invaded by "illegals". Inorder for a neutral to be blued in Provi, they must be vetted. Inorder to be vetted, they must enter Provi and demonstrate non-violence on its occupants. Why is Provi not patrolling/guarding its own entries/exits? Why are they tolerating reds/neutrals guarding it for them? PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Vortexo VonBrenner Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 2567	Posted - 2016.12.07 18:45:22 - [26] - Quote Beast of Revelations wrote: ...Saw lots of wrecks and floating corpses, so they were getting people... One thing you could do is to check and see how many ships have been destroyed in the last hour at the map waypoint you wish to go through using map filters. Lots of ships destroyed there in last hour obviously could mean it's camped... Providence locals won't shoot someone not on their KOS list (usually...almost always...but it is EvE, after all...) but it's the many roving gangs / fleets of players hunting in there all the time that will. The local sov-holders fight constantly against such very common intrusions, but they of course can't be everywhere all the same time. EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference pdf EvE guide for alpha clones
Blodi deVriis Sisters of Steel Moist. 7	Posted - 2016.12.07 20:18:32 - [27] - Quote I lived in Provi for a while, about one year ago, with this character being member of a lcoal corp, and with an alt, member of a NPC corp. As a member of a NPC you will usually not be shot, but the locals will be very suspicious and usually ask you to leave their system. With my NPC alt I felt uncomfortable, and I think you really do not have any advantages to stay in Provi as a single character. Therefore I recommend to join a corp in Provi, so that you get access to the intel channels etc. About gate camps: HED-GP will nearly always have one, but inside Provi I didn't encounter too many. But I have to admit, later I tried to uses wormhole routes as often as possible. Large scale industrial operations. On demand, on time, on budget. Selling: T2 ships and components. Buying: minerals, salvage, datacores.
Blodi deVriis Sisters of Steel Moist. 7	Posted - 2016.12.07 20:28:14 - [28] - Quote Wow, I am on the KOS list although I never performed an hostile action. This is really uncool, any comment on this from CVA officials? Large scale industrial operations. On demand, on time, on budget. Selling: T2 ships and components. Buying: minerals, salvage, datacores.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8264	Posted - 2016.12.07 22:44:24 - [29] - Quote Blodi deVriis wrote: Wow, I am on the KOS list although I never performed an hostile action. This is really uncool, any comment on this from CVA officials? Any random CVA nerd can add you to the KOS list. Just say something one of them doesn't like in local and bam, you're done. That's why it's such a joke. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska 1646	Posted - 2016.12.07 23:27:35 - [30] - Quote I repeat, Provi is not manning its own borders (or they are manned by alts which gatecamp for their own interests). Man the gates. Protect your space. Or suffer the consequences. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent

SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2838	Posted - 2016.12.07 23:29:25 - [31] - Quote Blodi deVriis wrote: Wow, I am on the KOS list although I never performed an hostile action. This is really uncool, any comment on this from CVA officials? Probably inherited from your corp/alliance being on the KOS list. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Narga Deka Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.12.07 23:31:55 - [32] - Quote PROVIE will not attack first. We don't camp our boarders. Our space is the pvp haven of new eden. Red fleets come threw and we chase them home. The entry systems are normally camped by leet pvpers that don't leave the gate Until deshiped. Getting into providence can be difficult but if you keep your nose clean you wont be attacked unless there is a good reason.
Orakkus m3 Corp Evictus. 283	Posted - 2016.12.07 23:49:50 - [33] - Quote Blodi deVriis wrote: Wow, I am on the KOS list although I never performed an hostile action. This is really uncool, any comment on this from CVA officials? Not a CVA official, but been around Provi for a while. The list goes back a long, long way.. and while zkillboard only shows until Jan 2015, that doesn't necessarily mean you didn't do something bad prior to then (you are a 2014 character after all). Typically you can only get off this list if you pay reparations or if you become a member of a provi holder, or both. Usually, the KOS determination has a reason listed with it. He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
Blodi deVriis Sisters of Steel Moist. 7	Posted - 2016.12.08 21:46:52 - [34] - Quote I never ever do bad things! Yesterday I even helped a noob to leave our wormhole, instead of killing him. Other corpmates are not on the list, so it cannot be inherited form corp/alliance status. Must be something personal instead... Large scale industrial operations. On demand, on time, on budget. Selling: T2, T3 ships and their respective blueprints. Buying: minerals, salvage, datacores.
KaarBaak Squirrel Team 415	Posted - 2016.12.08 23:06:39 - [35] - Quote Blodi deVriis wrote: I never ever do bad things! Yesterday I even helped a noob to leave our wormhole, instead of killing him. Other corpmates are not on the list, so it cannot be inherited form corp/alliance status. Must be something personal instead... You remind me of someone....hmm.....can't really place you... You kinda look like this guy Dum Spiro Spero
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2287	Posted - 2016.12.09 05:30:23 - [36] - Quote Blodi deVriis wrote: I never ever do bad things! Yesterday I even helped a noob to leave our wormhole, instead of killing him. Other corpmates are not on the list, so it cannot be inherited form corp/alliance status. Must be something personal instead... Your corp is not KOS but your alliance is. Some of your alliance mates must have been naughty. Have your alliance diplos contact a CVA diplo if you want off the KOS list. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.


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