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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.04.07 05:18:00 -
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The Hype was supposed to be THE blaster platform. However, most pilots seem to prefer the Megathron in this role. So I thought that maybe instead of trying to pass the Hype as a blaster boat, maybe it should be taunted as the Federation's fleet rail platform. To do this, you simply switch the Mega's second bonus and targeting range with the Hype's. Seems like a sensible thing to do since:
-The Mega has one more low slot, and one less gun to fit, for nearly the same amount of grid, so the dual rep config would fit better than on the Hype.
-The Mega has a bigger drone bay, and a slot for Nos, which are very useful for a blaster boat
-The Hype has one more gun, which gives it a bigger Alpha strike and DPS at range, where drones don't enter into the equation.
-The Hype has more midslots for TCs and SBs.
-All the other Tier 3 BSes were designed as fleet ships.
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.07 05:39:00 -
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Range bonus is a caldari attribute.
Make the hyperion a 7/6/6 dampener boat, at least it would be something different.
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Ronin Reborn
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.07 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ronin Reborn on 07/04/2007 05:58:27
Tracking is an awesome bonus for a short ranged ship, less so for long range ships.
If you really want to use it as a fleet ship fit an extra sensor booster, there's nothing stopping you.
Thumbs down.
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Ashareth
Caldari
Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.04.07 06:08:00 -
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You DO realize that the Hype is not really a fleet boat(unless we finally start to see real tactics in those, a thing that will need lag free fleet battles, and that is not going to happen soon...:/) mainly because Megathron was already the king of fleet?
The same is to be said for the Maelstrom, cause the Tempest was already a fleet king.
The hyperion is good/great right now for some situations(mainly beast tank blaster boat in solo/med gang engagement), and the re is no need to change it.
Oh and btw, one of the reason he is not used in fleet battle is his price, because no ship can sustain being called primary.
This ship is awesome at is, let it be without dumb ideas..:/
(Oh and NO, Gallente don't need another overpowered ship like the Dominix/Megathron/Moros and so on, you have enough right now... Oh, and i'm flying Gallente too, Megathron is my next ship, unless i can afford an Hyperion:D).
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.07 07:43:00 -
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The hype is a wonderfull fleet ship already tbh. More expensive than a thron but so what? When useing it as a blaster ship it's tanking bonus is what makes it overcome the throns slightly better damage output. The ship is fine, in fact it's even slightly under rated at this time.
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Kunming
Outcasts
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Posted - 2007.04.07 08:23:00 -
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I dont know why the devs are incapable of doing a simple change that will bring the BSs in line with their cruiser counterparts, which are of unique design and dont overlap each others roles.
Domi -> Dampner-boat a la celestis
Mega -> Drone-boat a la vexor
Hype -> Gun-boat a la thorax
same goes for Amarr:
Geddon -> Drone and EW boat (Arbitrator)
Apoc -> Gun-boat (Omen)
Abaddon -> Tank-boat (Maller)
etc
etc
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Ashareth
Caldari
Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.04.07 08:49:00 -
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Maybe because they DON'T want to?
Right now, Tier 3 bs are probably the most equilibrated ships in Eve, they all have stenghts and weakness, they all fit a r(le without being overpowered, they are great.
BTW, on the hyperion, the armor boost bonus is meant to give him a mean tank with a far less cap consumption(so no need to have a nos to sustain his tank:)).
I kind of like the actual bs tree for all races, even if we could have some changes.
In the end, for gallente, you have :
the blaster boat, the rail boat, the drone boat. Like for cruisers...
For caldari, the sniper railboat, the missile plateform and the ew plateform. Same as cruisers.
For minmatar and amaar it's slightly different but they are stille good(maybe amaa could be better with a drone/ew boat, but not sure it's needed:d).
Stop complaining about ships cause CCP didn't do the ship like you wanted as long as they are good, equilibrated with other similar ships and fits a role.
I think Hyperion, Abbadon, Maelstrom and Rokh fullfill all of these requirements no?
So stop complaining, they are all good(maybe too for some or most of them) and useful. :)
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Lady Temp
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Posted - 2007.04.07 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Temp on 07/04/2007 09:16:38
Originally by: Ronin Reborn
Tracking is an awesome bonus for a short ranged ship, less so for long range ships.
Although this may be true for smaller ship classes that orbit their targets at close ranges, I tend to disagree with this statement reguarding Blaster BS's such as the Hyperion. Blaster BS dont orbit cause they dont need to. They are BS's so they are meant to tank larger amounts of damage(espeicaly the Hype). Tracking is no longer an issue when you have a 90% web on your target and you are standing still at 5km from them.
And that is why I prefer the Hyperion to the Mega for small gang, blaster fitted PvP(Along with the 8 guns ofcourse!). The bonuses seem more fitting for its role: Stand still and Blast the target while tanking the damage you are recieving.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.04.07 13:55:00 -
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You're all making erroneous assumptions. I have never flown a Hype, and don't much care to. Also, I never said the Hype is a bad ship, but I do know quite a few people who still prefer the Mega as a blaster/rail platform simply because the Hype's small edge doesn't warrant its much heftier price tag. The point of this thread was disparaging the two so each would have had its distinct use. Right now, neither has any real advantage doing either job (Fleet: Hype has more turrets, but the rep bonus doesn't help at all when primaried; Blaster: the Hype has a good bonus but less lowslots to take advantage of it).
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:02:00 -
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What I said was hardly an "erroneous assumption" considering I fly both ships and the rokh as well.
In fleets the ship is frankly the most powerfull rail sniper around with a fast lock time but it does have a thiner defense when compaired to the others. Nothing wrong here.
When playing with electron blasters and a dual LAR II tank it's just insane even with just six lows. This is something a thron can't do without a turret CPU lowering implant. The price here is a frig can really ruin it's day since it has no nos and five light drones can only do so much. Again nothing wrong here from where I stand.
What are the things holding the hyperion back? Cost and skillpoints. It's an expensive ride that demands a good ammount of SP to use well. Unlike the rokh which does fine with just named t1 modules and modest skills.
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Jayne Tamm
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jayne Tamm on 07/04/2007 15:01:27
if any gallente ship shud be the rail platform then it shud be the mage coz of its tracking bonus....blasters have decent enough tracking as it is...so the hype is a perfectly good ship for blasters! also...people say the hype is a lot more expensive....well, thats only the people that buy it off market....i personally got my hype for 117 mil.....not gona say how or why...but thats wot i got it for...so essentially only little bit more than the mega :)
and p.s.: who are these people that keep sayin the mega has better dps!!! i dont see how! the hype has the same 5% damage bonus..plus the extra turret slot!! so really..the hype does more damage...the only way the mega does more damage is wen u fit a load of mag stabs and other damage increase mods...but u can fit that to the hype as well :) its just a matter of preference.
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Gladiator Jonny
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:29:00 -
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The Megathron gets the option of an extra heavy drone, and more slots for dmg mods.
the mega's tracking bonus also means more good hits which alltogether add up to more dps.
if im wrong correct me but  thats why people prefer the mega as a blasterboat. and also the fact its about 70m cheaper.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan
What I said was hardly an "erroneous assumption" considering I fly both ships and the rokh as well.
By erroneous assumption, I meant that people seemed to believe that I thought that the Hype sucks (I don't) and that I wanted it boosted because I fly it (I don't).
Originally by: Jayne Tamm
and p.s.: who are these people that keep sayin the mega has better dps!!! i dont see how! the hype has the same 5% damage bonus..plus the extra turret slot!! so really..the hype does more damage...the only way the mega does more damage is wen u fit a load of mag stabs and other damage increase mods...but u can fit that to the hype as well :) its just a matter of preference.
More low slots + bigger drone bay. Plus you could fit a siege launcher in that last high if you really wanted. I'm not sure if this is enough to give the edge to the Mega, but it's damned close. Combined with a cheaper cost, its understandable that quite a few people stick with the Mega. And that's the whole point of this thread; make the Mega the clear choice for basterage, and the Hype the clear choice for railage.
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Jayne Tamm
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Posted - 2007.04.07 17:00:00 -
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the mega may have that extra drone space...but id take an extra large blaster over a heavy drones anyday :)...the blaster will do a lot more damage than the drone.
i understand that the mega has the extra low slot...but again..its the way people say that the mega does more damage..wen it doesnt! it mite do if u fit the extra damage mods...but as a base ship it doesnt do more. but i see your point about the tracking bonus...tho again..it works in theory....doesnt necessarily mean it will do more damage per hit...just increases the chance that it will do more per hit
guess it depends on how u look at it
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ZOMGchampion
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Posted - 2007.04.07 17:13:00 -
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Why should it be boosted? Look into the rigs and you'll see the Hyperion is BETTER than the Mega.
With rigs I you get almost 1600 rep from a single t2 large repper, harden the ship to hell (exp/kin/therm t2 hardeners, EANM II, Damage Control II), and with some thinking for the mediums, you can fit a full rack of neutrons, but you definitely need gallente battleship level 5 and rigs to make it worthwhile.
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bldyannoyed
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.07 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: bldyannoyed on 07/04/2007 17:50:36
Originally by: ZOMGchampion
Why should it be boosted? Look into the rigs and you'll see the Hyperion is BETTER than the Mega.
With rigs I you get almost 1600 rep from a single t2 large repper, harden the ship to hell (exp/kin/therm t2 hardeners, EANM II, Damage Control II), and with some thinking for the mediums, you can fit a full rack of neutrons, but you definitely need gallente battleship level 5 and rigs to make it worthwhile.
So 3 rigs, whats that, 75 mill?
Plus the extra 50 or so million the hype cost u over a mega.
It's wrong that the Hype needs to have so much isk thrown at it just to bring it up to the level of an unrigged Mega.
TBH i reckon 8/3/8 would have been a better layout. So u lose some versatility, but when the ship is supposed to be designed specifically for flying straight in someones face and shooting the crap out of them who cares.
EDIT: Just ran the numbers, there is no possible way to 8 neutron II's, an MWD and a single LAR II without a grid mod, so u either lose one of ur few lows or have to spend another 40 odd mill on a grid rig, costing u an armour rig and nerfing ur tank.
What a great ship.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.07 18:10:00 -
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hyperion is way way better at some things than the mega with or without rigs/ both with rigs it seems that the hyp is much better.
with rigs a hyp can fit 2 LAR II's, mwd heavy injector, 8 neutrons and plenty of the rest with no fitting mods. the mega can not. not that u have to fit those to make it good. it tanks amazingly without rigs. But with them = secs
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.04.07 20:03:00 -
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Solution to the problem: easy.
Switch to minmatar and then you can do whatever you want. (Like damage type, shield or armor tank, speed/damage or hitpoints/tanking.) DO it.
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