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GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 12:32:00 - [1] Ever been ganked, robbed, thieved, griefed by privateers? Want some free loot? Time to put those alts to good use, create a new character and move it to a highly populated trade hub frequented by the privateer. Then loot all their kills. That's right boys and girls Economic Warfare. Let's make sure that all of their war efforts come out of pocket from this time on. Disclaimer: This is not my original idea but rather an adopted idea.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.07 12:34:00 - [2] Be quiet. --- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.07 12:35:00 - [3] Yeah, noone EVER thought of this before, posted it, or even did it. The 30 or so players sitting ouside Jita like vultures just waiting to grab loot are just afk
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 12:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Major Stormer Yeah, noone EVER thought of this before, posted it, or even did it. The 30 or so players sitting ouside Jita like vultures just waiting to grab loot are just afk note the disclaimer. but thank you for extra redundancy.
Istoledat	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:28:00 - [5]
hedfunk Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:48:00 - [6] Originally by: GimmeeThat Originally by: Major Stormer Yeah, noone EVER thought of this before, posted it, or even did it. The 30 or so players sitting ouside Jita like vultures just waiting to grab loot are just afk note the disclaimer. but thank you for extra redundancy. Do you honestly think that all privateers camp the main hubs? lol. Having more than like 5 ppl is pretty pointless outside jita. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed height of 120 pixels -Lord Harold ([email protected])
Dregann Amarr Amarr Trading Company	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:54:00 - [7] HES A GENIUS!
Red Crown Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.04.07 15:17:00 - [8] Want to get back at privateers? Gank, Rob, Theive and grief them. Best advice I can give. "EVE is the worst MMORPG. Except for all the other ones." [KUDZU] = Coalition.
Dregann Amarr Amarr Trading Company	Posted - 2007.04.07 15:42:00 - [9] Why dont you just get a char in privateers and start killing privateers?
monkeyduck Mithril Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.07 16:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Red Crown Want to get back at privateers? Gank, Rob, Theive and grief them. Best advice I can give. No, then we get more threads about wrecks and how everyone is mean to Privateers. This makes lil baby bunnies sad
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Bands Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 16:16:00 - [11] i think most of the guys i know pop the loot the moment it appears if they see any movement, doesn't put them off ganking, ganking ist kreig! ------------------------------------- Am Orbitin' ur shi... i said orbit... ORBIT... no don't fly off in that direction
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 16:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Nicholas Barker i think most of the guys i know pop the loot the moment it appears if they see any movement, doesn't put them off ganking, ganking ist kreig! Destroyed or stolen makes no difference. As long as it's not in your pocket. You see most of us don't need the loot from the ganks you perpetrate. We simply want to watch you spends millions of ISK a week and see nothing in return. So enjoy shooting fish in a barrel because at the end of the day, that's all you will have.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.04.07 16:44:00 - [13] Originally by: GimmeeThat Destroyed or stolen makes no difference. As long as it's not in your pocket. You see most of us don't need the loot from the ganks you perpetrate. We simply want to watch you spends millions of ISK a week and see nothing in return. So enjoy shooting fish in a barrel because at the end of the day, that's all you will have. Does it hurt to be so vindictive? /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 16:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: GimmeeThat Destroyed or stolen makes no difference. As long as it's not in your pocket. You see most of us don't need the loot from the ganks you perpetrate. We simply want to watch you spends millions of ISK a week and see nothing in return. So enjoy shooting fish in a barrel because at the end of the day, that's all you will have. Does it hurt to be so vindictive? /Ki not really how about you?
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:05:00 - [15] Originally by: GimmeeThat not really how about you? Good to know. Must be tiring spamming all threads about PRVTRs with this, as well as creating a new one. Wouldn't want you to have a heart attack from all your bottled up rage. /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:07:00 - [16] Originally by: GimmeeThat Originally by: Ki An Originally by: GimmeeThat Destroyed or stolen makes no difference. As long as it's not in your pocket. You see most of us don't need the loot from the ganks you perpetrate. We simply want to watch you spends millions of ISK a week and see nothing in return. So enjoy shooting fish in a barrel because at the end of the day, that's all you will have. Does it hurt to be so vindictive? /Ki not really how about you? Ki An isn't vindictive, he's right. And if you're so consumed with bitterness, maybe Eve isn't for you. --- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:14:00 - [17] DUAL WRECK OWNERSHIP!
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Thread Winner DUAL WRECK OWNERSHIP! Translation - please recode the game to fit my play style.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:25:00 - [19] Originally by: GimmeeThat Originally by: Thread Winner DUAL WRECK OWNERSHIP! Translation - please recode the game to fit my play style. WTS T2 sarcasm detector. 5 mil. --- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:27:00 - [20] Originally by: GimmeeThat Originally by: Thread Winner DUAL WRECK OWNERSHIP! Translation - please recode the game to fit my play style. I'm a lowsec pirate privateers do not concern me. but if your going to make a living as a theif you may as well get killrights placed on you like when I do when I pop a hauler or a barge all by its lonesome. At least then the original loot owner could have a chance of getting his stuff back. Or I donno maybe you couldn't sell stolen goods in your precious high sec space. Your trial account abuse has gone on far enough defend your broken mechanic all you want but I will continue to push Dual wreck ownership as the only person that could lose with it being implemented is you and your other leeches. Of course even then all you would have to do is fit some hardeners and warp core stabs.
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: GimmeeThat Originally by: Thread Winner DUAL WRECK OWNERSHIP! Translation - please recode the game to fit my play style. I'm a lowsec pirate privateers do not concern me. but if your going to make a living as a theif you may as well get killrights placed on you like when I do when I pop a hauler or a barge all by its lonesome. At least then the original loot owner could have a chance of getting his stuff back. Or I donno maybe you couldn't sell stolen goods in your precious high sec space. Your trial account abuse has gone on far enough defend your broken mechanic all you want but I will continue to push Dual wreck ownership as the only person that could lose with it being implemented is you and your other leeches. Of course even then all you would have to do is fit some hardeners and warp core stabs. I seem to recall a lot of folks calling for a cap limit on war declarations. There where a lot more calling for that change.. and it fell on deaf ears. anyhow... good luck in your crusade I will also add that low sec pirates will rarely, if ever, have a problem with the thief such as myself.
Roue Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:46:00 - [22] My accountant has informed me that due to the increase in wreck thieving I will be forced to kill 200% more innocent forest animals to afford my house in Sunny Sarum Prime. This is my opinion not that of privateer corp, alliance, its member corps, affiliates, minions, pet animals, ex girlfriends, former roommates, 3rd grade gym teachers, late relatives, ontime relatives,
Amphetaminer Grumpy Old Men	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:48:00 - [23] Edited by: Amphetaminer on 07/04/2007 17:44:55 -
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 18:16:00 - [24] Originally by: GimmeeThat Originally by: Nicholas Barker i think most of the guys i know pop the loot the moment it appears if they see any movement, doesn't put them off ganking, ganking ist kreig! Destroyed or stolen makes no difference. As long as it's not in your pocket. You see most of us don't need the loot from the ganks you perpetrate. We simply want to watch you spends millions of ISK a week and see nothing in return. So enjoy shooting fish in a barrel because at the end of the day, that's all you will have. You seem to think we all need the loot to survive or we only do it for the loot. We joined Privs to kill people, loot is nice but not a have to have thing. However, the risk free loot thieving is broken and duel ownership is the anwser. Either way, I'll keep killing people, loot or no.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.07 18:17:00 - [25] 2006 called....they want their idea back.
Lord Dynastron Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.04.07 18:21:00 - [26] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan 2006 called....they want their idea back. ROFL,,, I am soooo stealing that response.
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 18:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Crazy Tasty Originally by: GimmeeThat Originally by: Nicholas Barker i think most of the guys i know pop the loot the moment it appears if they see any movement, doesn't put them off ganking, ganking ist kreig! Destroyed or stolen makes no difference. As long as it's not in your pocket. You see most of us don't need the loot from the ganks you perpetrate. We simply want to watch you spends millions of ISK a week and see nothing in return. So enjoy shooting fish in a barrel because at the end of the day, that's all you will have. You seem to think we all need the loot to survive or we only do it for the loot. We joined Privs to kill people, loot is nice but not a have to have thing. However, the risk free loot thieving is broken and duel ownership is the anwser. Either way, I'll keep killing people, loot or no. Oh I know you don't "Need" the loot. What the loot does is bring you closer to that cut even mark. We will make sure you don't get any where near that mark. So continue paying your weekly bill and shooting fish in a barrel (skill lol). We will continue collecting the loot. What is that bill now? like a billion ISK a week???
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Bands Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 18:53:00 - [28] Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 07/04/2007 18:50:36 Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 07/04/2007 18:49:29 approx 1.6mill per person, which is about 2 minutes of deliberate isk making, and you only get the isk that comes out of jita undock, keeping between 1 and 5 people from grabbing loot while everybody else is elsewhere. ------------------------------------- Am Orbitin' ur shi... i said orbit... ORBIT... no don't fly off in that direction
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 19:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 07/04/2007 18:50:36 Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 07/04/2007 18:49:29 approx 1.6mill per person, which is about 2 minutes of deliberate isk making, and you only get the isk that comes out of jita undock, keeping between 1 and 5 people from grabbing loot while everybody else is elsewhere. interesting I calculated closer to 10mil per person on a break even. albeit that is still pretty easy to make unless you have a bad week but you know let's break it down right here. how many "active" members do you guys have? how many war decs? I'm thinking like 600 members and around 100 alliance war decs. is that close?
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.04.07 19:22:00 - [30] Originally by: GimmeeThat interesting I calculated closer to 10mil per person on a break even. albeit that is still pretty easy to make unless you have a bad week but you know let's break it down right here. how many "active" members do you guys have? how many war decs? I'm thinking like 600 members and around 100 alliance war decs. is that close? I'll direct you to this post where I break down the Privateers wars in easily understandable terms. /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Lady Ganker	Posted - 2007.04.07 19:41:00 - [31] You'll have alot of competition in jita
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.07 19:44:00 - [32] Originally by: GimmeeThat We will continue collecting... Who is this we you speak of? Has a single player agreed with your idea? --- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.07 19:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: GimmeeThat We will continue collecting... Who is this we you speak of? Has a single player agreed with your idea? He assumes leeches have a hive mind of some sort
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.07 20:18:00 - [34] Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: GimmeeThat We will continue collecting... Who is this we you speak of? Has a single player agreed with your idea? He assumes leeches have a hive mind of some sort Lovin' your sig. --- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.04.07 20:23:00 - [35] I REMEMBER YOU ! YOU WERE IN THAT IBIS BACK IN 2004 OUTSIDE TEN DED IN YULAI STEALING OUR LOOT!
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 20:29:00 - [36] Originally by: GimmeeThat Originally by: Crazy Tasty Originally by: GimmeeThat Originally by: Nicholas Barker i think most of the guys i know pop the loot the moment it appears if they see any movement, doesn't put them off ganking, ganking ist kreig! Destroyed or stolen makes no difference. As long as it's not in your pocket. You see most of us don't need the loot from the ganks you perpetrate. We simply want to watch you spends millions of ISK a week and see nothing in return. So enjoy shooting fish in a barrel because at the end of the day, that's all you will have. You seem to think we all need the loot to survive or we only do it for the loot. We joined Privs to kill people, loot is nice but not a have to have thing. However, the risk free loot thieving is broken and duel ownership is the anwser. Either way, I'll keep killing people, loot or no. Oh I know you don't "Need" the loot. What the loot does is bring you closer to that cut even mark. We will make sure you don't get any where near that mark. So continue paying your weekly bill and shooting fish in a barrel (skill lol). We will continue collecting the loot. What is that bill now? like a billion ISK a week??? Lol, again, you assume money has anything to do with why we are in Privateers. If you stole every single piece of loot that was rightfully mine for months at a time you would not stop the decs, my PvP, or my corps PvP. There are a myriad of ways to make Isk that do not involve PvP loot, therefore take you and yours out of the picture. The only purpose you serve in the game is to highlight a broken game mechanic.
hedfunk Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 20:40:00 - [37] You seem to forget people pay us to war dec people aswell. What will you be doing to counter that? lol.
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 20:51:00 - [38] Interesting choice of words coming from one who abuses war dec mechanics. Originally by: Crazy The only purpose you serve in the game is to highlight a broken game mechanic.
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 22:04:00 - [39] Originally by: GimmeeThat Interesting choice of words coming from one who abuses war dec mechanics. Originally by: Crazy The only purpose you serve in the game is to highlight a broken game mechanic. If you think Privateers are abusing the game, petition it, see what they say.
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 22:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Crazy Tasty Originally by: GimmeeThat Interesting choice of words coming from one who abuses war dec mechanics. Originally by: Crazy The only purpose you serve in the game is to highlight a broken game mechanic. If you think Privateers are abusing the game, petition it, see what they say. likewise
Mroe Bree Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.04.08 02:26:00 - [41] Just to refine the loot stealing technique. Google for the privateer killboard, head to where the action is. Jita's nicely covered, but make sure other systems are dry too.
Tachuro Otapaku	Posted - 2007.04.08 02:56:00 - [42] Much as I know the forum regulars hate all the anti-privateers threads. I agree. Fight cheese with cheese. Lame tactics to counter lame tactics, griefing to counter griefing. Though I doubt they get much use out of the t1 frigate mods that I use, and could get off of any 0.6 sec belt rat :)
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.08 15:20:00 - [43] Originally by: Mroe Bree Just to refine the loot stealing technique. Google for the privateer killboard, head to where the action is. Jita's nicely covered, but make sure other systems are dry too. Great tip!
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.08 15:27:00 - [44] Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 08/04/2007 15:23:35 Originally by: Crazy Tasty Originally by: GimmeeThat Interesting choice of words coming from one who abuses war dec mechanics. Originally by: Crazy The only purpose you serve in the game is to highlight a broken game mechanic. If you think Privateers are abusing the game, petition it, see what they say. "Thank you for bringing this to our attention.. this issue will be looked into and get the attention it deserves. Thank you for playing EVE online and we hope you enjoy yourself" Standard canned response for any petition. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom. "Will i
Nimrias	Posted - 2007.04.23 19:36:00 - [45] OMG! OP is (ab)using a game mechanic! That means exploit!!! Will this griefing / exploiting be stopped after Tuesday?!?!?!? What will the vultures do without widespread Empire warfare? What other arguments have I seen on the PA threads...hmmm...? Vultures stealing loot and warping off are depriving me of my gameplay style!! I want Concord to charge them 50mil isk for each can they loot multiplied by the number of cans they've looted that day that didn't belong to them!! Okay, I feel better now.
Hennry Fromer Gallente radiated space gerbils Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 19:52:00 - [46] Originally by: GimmeeThat Interesting choice of words coming from one who abuses war dec mechanics. Originally by: Crazy The only purpose you serve in the game is to highlight a broken game mechanic. Oh we are supposed to point out broken game mechanics: Drones Corporate Interface Lag Alts Macro Miners Blobs Fights where you are dead before you load into system
Baji Core Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 20:03:00 - [47] You are making two incorrect assumptions here - There aren't already tons of people doing this (you can lure them into lowsec if you really get sick of it) - We do this for the isk. We fight because we love to fight. Simple as that. Try it. ps <insert whine about nerf>
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:16:00 - [48] Checkmate You loose
ReePeR McAllem The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:36:00 - [49] Thread went a bit of the rail...
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.23 22:00:00 - [50] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: GimmeeThat interesting I calculated closer to 10mil per person on a break even. albeit that is still pretty easy to make unless you have a bad week but you know let's break it down right here. how many "active" members do you guys have? how many war decs? I'm thinking like 600 members and around 100 alliance war decs. is that close? I'll direct you to this post where I break down the Privateers wars in easily understandable terms. /Ki Ki, I like ya bud, but your list is out of date... I think at last count they are up to 130 some odd wars... I think the quote is "1 more week!!!" and while I have said in the past that while I have no desire to play the Privateers game, that they have every right to, I figure this is just a further example of why the War Dec System is broke and in need of review (The problem is not the Privateers, but the system that allows the action) Noob in training...

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