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Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 687	Posted - 2016.12.08 12:32:46 - [1] - Quote When last comes to last, the basic purpose of an Amarr Emperor is Reclaim, and to Reclaim means but two things: Conquest Enslavement And no Emperor has more utterly failed in the basic purpose of being an Emperor than the Whore of Sarum, the late Jamyl. It is bad enough that she failed to add but a single system to the holy Amarr Empire; it is bad enough that under her reign not one Minmatar planet suffered the rain of holy Amarrian orbital bombardment. More than this, she committed the most horrific act, the most heinous crime in the entire history of the Throne: the manumission of 9th generation Minmatar slaves. The Minmatar were ordained and established from the foundation of the world as slave people. To free them is a rejection of GodGÇÖs divine order; a repetition of the original sin of Pity for which God sundered the world. And so God demonstrated his utter hatred for Jamyl and her manumission by sending the Drifters to destroy her, an alpha strike so without technological precedent that it could only have been of supernatural origin. Yet there are those in this cluster so wicked, so vile that they have not only failed to condemn the Whore of Sarum for her grievous sins, but have instead beatified and even quasi-deified her, this Jamyl who now burns in Hell for all eternity, the smoke of whose torment lofts even unto Paradise where it is a sweet smell for the saints who sing, GÇ£How just thou art, O God, to destroy the wicked Whore so.GÇ¥ Enough. I, Nauplius, Prophet of the Red God unto the Empyreans, do hereby proclaim: the time is at hand when a mighty blow is to be delivered in the name of the Red God against the memory of the Whore of Sarum, the late Jamyl. Empyreans, make right your deeds and thoughts concerning the wicked, vile Jamyl, for the Blood Age is soon at hand. Even so, may the Blood Age come quickly. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Vizage Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus. 266	Posted - 2016.12.08 13:06:06 - [2] - Quote Popcorns internally
Tabor Murn RADIO RAMPAGE Indecisive Certainty 154	Posted - 2016.12.08 13:47:13 - [3] - Quote What's wrong Napkins? Are the Amarrians ignoring you again?
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 21882	Posted - 2016.12.08 13:47:22 - [4] - Quote Also popcorns. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1820	Posted - 2016.12.08 14:04:42 - [5] - Quote I, for one, am curious as to how this damning might manifest itself. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Maria Daphiti PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 205	Posted - 2016.12.08 15:37:03 - [6] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: I, for one, am curious as to how this damning might manifest itself. With a blast of hot air. Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.
Pieter Tuulinen Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle 6864	Posted - 2016.12.08 15:56:37 - [7] - Quote It is during the holiday season that those who are utterly alone lash out the most violently. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1014	Posted - 2016.12.08 16:14:27 - [8] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It is during the holiday season that those who are utterly alone lash out the most violently. How sad, do you think his heart is three sizes too small?
Vlad Cetes No.Mercy Triumvirate. 87	Posted - 2016.12.08 17:03:24 - [9] - Quote Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It is during the holiday season that those who are utterly alone lash out the most violently. How sad, do you think his heart is three sizes too small? A heart three sizes too small would not be able to support human life.
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 505	Posted - 2016.12.08 17:08:29 - [10] - Quote When I first saw this topic, I admit my heart was filled with rage, but only for a brief moment. There is something to realize in this man's posting: he is pitiful. Truly. All his rants and schemes, all those he hurts is only a shield for his own inadequacies. Empress Jamyl needs no defense. She has already been judged righteous by God and rests in Paradise. Kill this man and destroy his heresies, but do not let him manipulate your emotions.

Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 2356	Posted - 2016.12.08 17:36:52 - [11] - Quote Just when I think he can't get any worse Naups kicks it into a higher gear of crazy. Wow. Naups you can expect to hear from Volhov Jr's lawyers for infringing on his copyrighted spiel. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Casiella Truza Ecliptic Rift 37	Posted - 2016.12.08 18:38:16 - [12] - Quote DIE SLAVER SCUM There, now we've completed the cliche cycle. Bored now.
Pieter Tuulinen Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle 6869	Posted - 2016.12.08 18:43:29 - [13] - Quote Vlad Cetes wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It is during the holiday season that those who are utterly alone lash out the most violently. How sad, do you think his heart is three sizes too small? A heart three sizes too small would not be able to support human life. Who said Napkins is human? For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Tristan Valentina Moira. Villore Accords 91	Posted - 2016.12.08 21:21:09 - [14] - Quote Crazy demon summoning nutter.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 129	Posted - 2016.12.09 03:51:41 - [15] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Vlad Cetes wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It is during the holiday season that those who are utterly alone lash out the most violently. How sad, do you think his heart is three sizes too small? A heart three sizes too small would not be able to support human life. Who said Napkins is human? Maybe he is actually a demon or just had an accident that made him insane. actually now that I think about it his sanity is about the same as a first generation clone soldier.
Andreus Ixiris SergalJerk Test Alliance Please Ignore 6036	Posted - 2016.12.09 11:35:31 - [16] - Quote Vlad Cetes wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It is during the holiday season that those who are utterly alone lash out the most violently. How sad, do you think his heart is three sizes too small? A heart three sizes too small would not be able to support human life. Alas, Vlad, that yours is too small to accomodate a sense of humour. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 21967	Posted - 2016.12.09 12:22:56 - [17] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Vlad Cetes wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It is during the holiday season that those who are utterly alone lash out the most violently. How sad, do you think his heart is three sizes too small? A heart three sizes too small would not be able to support human life. Who said Napkins is human? Maybe he is actually a demon or just had an accident that made him insane. actually now that I think about it his sanity is about the same as a first generation clone soldier. Even fedos drugged with crash have more reasonable nature. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
Letizzia Omanid Ex Luce Domini 15	Posted - 2016.12.09 17:35:41 - [18] - Quote Alizebeth Amalath wrote: When I first saw this topic, I admit my heart was filled with rage, but only for a brief moment. There is something to realize in this man's posting: he is pitiful. Truly. All his rants and schemes, all those he hurts is only a shield for his own inadequacies. Empress Jamyl needs no defense. She has already been judged righteous by God and rests in Paradise. Kill this man and destroy his heresies, but do not let him manipulate your emotions. Well said. Outrage is what he seeks, hurt is what this man uses to compensate for his own short comings. ItGÇÖs an easy trap to fall into, I have done so myself. I try to do better. Do not give this man what he seeks. Rise above this manGÇÖs games. The Lord will not be confused by these feeble attempts at self gratification. Judgment will come GÇö for us all.
Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 209	Posted - 2016.12.09 18:43:44 - [19] - Quote Hold on the undock here a second. Let's deconstruct this a little bit. Mind you, having been "Reclaimed" I have a lot of firsthand insight into this process. First, the Reclaiming is just what he says. Conquest and Enslavement. Name-calling aside, Jamyl Sarum wasn't very strong on promoting the Reclaiming. It is true, Jamyl didn't add to the amount of planets and systems controlled by the Empire (I'm not going to count the systems along the Bleaks because the Pendulum War doesn't really count). While Heideran VII and Doriam II started this process, Jamyl had all the support and opportunity needed to ramp things up again. Instead, she parked the 24th IC in the Bleaks and made no move against anyone. She did free more slaves than even Heideran did. Ok, so as Empress she's technically head of the Church...but when the Scriptures say "Do the thing" and she says "Do not do the thing and in fact, I'm reversing some of the thing," yeah...historically, Emperors have come to a bad end when they went against Scripture. She made nice-nice with the Federation, the Caldari, the Khanid. She did nothing significant to stop Bloody Omir. Hell, all of Delve and half of Querious could have been part of the Empire if she'd aimed the Reclaiming in that direction. Even her response against invaders like Sansha and the Drifters was lackluster. She basically gave the responsibility of dealing with them to CONCORD and independant Capsuleers. And how did she die? What killed her? Hubris. She didn't recognize the power that was lined up against her. She trusted that God or CONCORD or the Navy would protect her. What's are the first two lessons we learn as Capsuleers? "Trust no one" and "Never undock what you can't afford to lose." She made both basic mistakes and got ganked for it. And yet some people in Amarr think she's some shining example of Amarr culture, faith and purity? Dudes, SHE WAS IN A POD. She was a CAPSULEER! We all saw it! First her Titan got ganked, THEN her pod got ganked! Then her corpse got stolen. She totally went against Scripture and custom to be made Empress! She should never have been Empress! Hey, don't feel bad. I fell for it too! There was a time I was a big ole Jamyl fan. So say what you want about Nauplius, but for this post, he's not all that wrong! (Ok, so he's wrong about the whole Red God stuff, but his assessment of Jamyl Sarum isn't far off course. Think about her history objectively!) Now look at the Empire. Look at it!! There's a Udorian on the Throne and a Cult of Jamyl worshippers running around fer gossakes! And who went to the coronation? Jacus Roden, Mentas Blaque, and Maleatu Bloody Shakor! Then she gets the Theology Council to say "It's all ok, here's an Exhortation to the Faithful to clear everything up." Then you wonder why so many people are flocking to the Bloodraiders, the Cartel, the Guristas and Serpentis? There's over a million people sitting on a Keepstar waiting to get blown up tomorrow because living in Null was better than living in the "safety" of HiSec. Forget the messenger in the Op. Read the message! GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2595	Posted - 2016.12.09 18:51:14 - [20] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: And yet some people in Amarr think she's some shining example of Amarr culture, faith and purity? Dudes, SHE WAS IN A POD. She was a CAPSULEER! We all saw it! First her Titan got ganked, THEN her pod got ganked! Then her corpse got stolen. She totally went against Scripture and custom to be made Empress! She should never have been Empress! Hey, don't feel bad. I fell for it too! There was a time I was a big ole Jamyl fan. As were all of the Heirs she competed against. From what I've been told, the sticking point is that being a capsuleer isn't the problem, it's being a clone... which hasn't been proven.

Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 946	Posted - 2016.12.09 18:54:04 - [21] - Quote Agents skilled at intel work did track her to a certain station after the attack. It remains to be seen if she managed to cover those tracks after the fact, or if it was simply the Empire coming down on that embarrassment like a ton of bricks.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2595	Posted - 2016.12.09 18:56:56 - [22] - Quote Sure, but being a clone after getting blown up doesn't prove she was a clone prior to getting blown up. It increases the likelihood, yes, but it doesn't prove it, and anything short of that won't really sway the ~~crazies~~Amarr.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 946	Posted - 2016.12.09 19:12:19 - [23] - Quote I could descend from the heavens bathed in light carrying signed tablets containing conclusive proof and it wouldn't sway them. Reason or evidence doesn't work when they didn't use reason or evidence to get to their conclusions to begin with.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 690	Posted - 2016.12.09 20:48:58 - [24] - Quote The Red God has made the first demonstration of his Will against the memory of the Whore of Sarum. Another such demonstration is to come.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2730	Posted - 2016.12.09 21:01:09 - [25] - Quote Nauplius wrote: The Red God has made the first demonstration of his Will against the memory of the Whore of Sarum. Another such demonstration is to come. Uh ... what is he talking about?
Alizabeth Vea Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph 1006	Posted - 2016.12.09 21:08:16 - [26] - Quote Empress Jamyl was not a clone. Nor did she clone after. Any other belief or statement is simply wrong. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 948	Posted - 2016.12.09 21:14:33 - [27] - Quote Ah, thank you for demonstrating the points made above.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1824	Posted - 2016.12.09 21:17:19 - [28] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Agents skilled at intel work. Tell me where those agents say Omir Sarikusa is located. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2602	Posted - 2016.12.09 22:14:03 - [29] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: Tell me where those agents say Omir Sarikusa is located. Down between the couch cushions. Nobody looks there.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 690	Posted - 2016.12.11 13:35:40 - [30] - Quote The day is far short; the Judgement is at hand. There will be No Surrender for the worshippers of the Whore of Sarum; all that you have built will be become ash.

Saya Ishikari Akagi Initiative 360	Posted - 2016.12.11 19:36:20 - [31] - Quote No. Really. HOW are you creepier than I remember? "At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Pieter Tuulinen Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle 6900	Posted - 2016.12.12 06:08:12 - [32] - Quote Saya Ishikari wrote: No. Really. HOW are you creepier than I remember? Napkins teaches creepy at the Caille University. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2985	Posted - 2016.12.12 06:35:28 - [33] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Enough. I, Nauplius, Prophet of the Red God unto the Empyreans, do hereby proclaim: the time is at hand when a mighty blow is to be delivered in the name of the Red God against the memory of the Whore of Sarum, the late Jamyl. Empyreans, make right your deeds and thoughts concerning the wicked, vile Jamyl, for the Blood Age is soon at hand. How dare! YOU! Gallentean bootlicker!! Insult memory of the Empress, who has fallen in Combat like her soldiers on that ship in combat?! You! You say you hate minmatar! But you do exactly the same thing as Minmatars do! The Empress has released them, and they were dancing at her death, disrespecting her. She was your Empress, and you now disrespect her like a filthy tribal! Eternal shame on you, Mr. Nauplius, for such disgrace! Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 142	Posted - 2016.12.12 17:50:56 - [34] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Nauplius wrote: Enough. I, Nauplius, Prophet of the Red God unto the Empyreans, do hereby proclaim: the time is at hand when a mighty blow is to be delivered in the name of the Red God against the memory of the Whore of Sarum, the late Jamyl. Empyreans, make right your deeds and thoughts concerning the wicked, vile Jamyl, for the Blood Age is soon at hand. How dare! YOU! Gallentean bootlicker!! Insult memory of the Empress, who has fallen in Combat like her soldiers on that ship in combat?! You! You say you hate minmatar! But you do exactly the same thing as Minmatars do! The Empress has released them, and they were dancing at her death, disrespecting her. She was your Empress, and you now disrespect her like a filthy tribal! Eternal shame on you, Mr. Nauplius, for such disgrace! how does that make him a Gallentan bootlicker? yes he is crazy but he is not a Gallentan bootlcker
Jjaro Durandal University of Caille Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2016.12.12 17:57:48 - [35] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Saya Ishikari wrote: No. Really. HOW are you creepier than I remember? Napkins teaches creepy at the Caille University. I resent that comment.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2645	Posted - 2016.12.12 18:00:02 - [36] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: how does that make him a Gallentan bootlicker? She may have believed the bit about the University of Caille.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2742	Posted - 2016.12.12 18:03:42 - [37] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: how does that make him a Gallentan bootlicker? yes he is crazy but he is not a Gallentan bootlcker I think the logic goes: Gallente are anti-Caldari. Amarr are Caldari allies. Anti-Amarr is anti-Caldari. Anti-Caldari is pro-Gallente. Anti-Amarr is pro-Gallente. Empress Jamyl was Amarrian head of state at a time when the State and Empire are jointly at war against the Republic and Federation. Therefore, being anti-Jamyl is being anti-Amarr, anti-Caldari, and, by extension, pro Gallente. ... Though if she really wanted to get under his skin the same logic could be used to argue that he's giving aid and comfort to the Republic.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 347	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:56:24 - [38] - Quote Nauplius wrote: When last comes to last, the basic purpose of an Amarr Emperor is Reclaim, and to Reclaim means but two things: GÇó Conquest GÇó Enslavement What a primitive nonsense. Even in the times of first prophets the Empire was very well capable of diplomacy, making alliances and spreading the word of God among heathens without resorting to mass enslavement. Reclaiming means bringing people to the light of God, and enslavement is also one of the means to do that, of course, but it's an ultimate one where everything else fails, and it's about as effective as using complex medical equipment as a blunt weapon in a melee fight. It's God who already judges the late Empress. But not you, heretic. So keep your foul mouth shut about things that are totally out of your league to even think about. But then again, who I am talking to. You will burn, and so will your so-called "temple". Soon.
Rook Moray Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 192	Posted - 2016.12.12 21:41:12 - [39] - Quote Jjaro Durandal wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Saya Ishikari wrote: No. Really. HOW are you creepier than I remember? Napkins teaches creepy at the Caille University. I resent that comment. It's true though. He was a guest speaker at the "Menacing 101" mixer a couple of years back. GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥ -Guristas Proverb.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2987	Posted - 2016.12.12 22:12:49 - [40] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: how does that make him a Gallentan bootlicker? yes he is crazy but he is not a Gallentan bootlcker I think the logic goes: Gallente are anti-Caldari. Amarr are Caldari allies. Anti-Amarr is anti-Caldari. Anti-Caldari is pro-Gallente. Anti-Amarr is pro-Gallente. Empress Jamyl was Amarrian head of state at a time when the State and Empire are jointly at war against the Republic and Federation. Therefore, being anti-Jamyl is being anti-Amarr, anti-Caldari, and, by extension, pro Gallente. ... Though if she really wanted to get under his skin the same logic could be used to argue that he's giving aid and comfort to the Republic. Basically, this. But Republic is just gallentean pet. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 213	Posted - 2016.12.12 22:20:00 - [41] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: What a primitive nonsense. Even in the times of first prophets the Empire was very well capable of diplomacy, making alliances and spreading the word of God among heathens without resorting to mass enslavement. Reclaiming means bringing people to the light of God, and enslavement is also one of the means to do that, of course, but it's an ultimate one where everything else fails, and it's about as effective as using complex medical equipment as a blunt weapon in a melee fight.. I know a few trillion Matari that might disagree with you. GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 347	Posted - 2016.12.12 22:52:19 - [42] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Tamiroth wrote: What a primitive nonsense. Even in the times of first prophets the Empire was very well capable of diplomacy, making alliances and spreading the word of God among heathens without resorting to mass enslavement. Reclaiming means bringing people to the light of God, and enslavement is also one of the means to do that, of course, but it's an ultimate one where everything else fails, and it's about as effective as using complex medical equipment as a blunt weapon in a melee fight.. I know a few trillion Matari that might disagree with you. They'd disagree that enslaving people is actually not the best way of religious conversion? I doubt that.
Jjaro Durandal University of Caille Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2016.12.12 23:47:37 - [43] - Quote Rook Moray wrote: Jjaro Durandal wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Saya Ishikari wrote: No. Really. HOW are you creepier than I remember? Napkins teaches creepy at the Caille University. I resent that comment. It's true though. He was a guest speaker at the "Menacing 101" mixer a couple of years back. He obviously didn't do a very good job if he was never invited back.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2655	Posted - 2016.12.13 03:43:12 - [44] - Quote Jjaro Durandal wrote: He obviously didn't do a very good job if he was never invited back. They felt he was too menacing.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 142	Posted - 2016.12.13 03:55:55 - [45] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Jjaro Durandal wrote: He obviously didn't do a very good job if he was never invited back. They felt he was too menacing. Maybe I should bring my commando dropsuit it's big and menacing
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2657	Posted - 2016.12.13 06:21:46 - [46] - Quote Slayer Liberator wrote: Maybe I should bring my commando dropsuit it's big and menacing Ok, I admit, I knew you drop-bears were pretty baller, but combat drops going commando? I mean, even I put on pants sometimes. Mostly for staff meetings. They keep that conference room really kinda chilly. I think it's Asher's fault.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 8075	Posted - 2016.12.13 10:21:14 - [47] - Quote If you really want to make an impact, double dog damn her. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 690	Posted - 2016.12.13 12:42:55 - [48] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Nauplius wrote: When last comes to last, the basic purpose of an Amarr Emperor is Reclaim, and to Reclaim means but two things: GÇó Conquest GÇó Enslavement What a primitive nonsense. Even in the times of first prophets the Empire was very well capable of diplomacy, making alliances and spreading the word of God among heathens without resorting to mass enslavement. Reclaiming means bringing people to the light of God, and enslavement is also one of the means to do that, of course, but it's an ultimate one where everything else fails, and it's about as effective as using complex medical equipment as a blunt weapon in a melee fight. It's God who already judges the late Empress. But not you, heretic. So keep your foul mouth shut about things that are totally out of your league to even think about. But then again, who I am talking to. You will burn, and so will your so-called "temple". Soon. The Scriptures are drenched in the blood of God's enemies. During the battles of SatachGÇÖs Spite, entire canyons turned red with the blood of Udorian subhumans. That is the meaning of Reclaiming. So is this: "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum, excerpt from a commencement speech to Paladin graduates of the Imperial Academy. CE 23215 (too bad Jamyl didn't inherit this aspect of her relative's personality)
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 142	Posted - 2016.12.13 13:55:00 - [49] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Slayer Liberator wrote: Maybe I should bring my commando dropsuit it's big and menacing Ok, I admit, I knew you drop-bears were pretty baller, but combat drops going commando? I mean, even I put on pants sometimes. Mostly for staff meetings. They keep that conference room really kinda chilly. I think it's Asher's fault. not that kind of commando
Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 214	Posted - 2016.12.13 15:18:12 - [50] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Sinti Vailatti wrote: Tamiroth wrote: What a primitive nonsense. Even in the times of first prophets the Empire was very well capable of diplomacy, making alliances and spreading the word of God among heathens without resorting to mass enslavement. Reclaiming means bringing people to the light of God, and enslavement is also one of the means to do that, of course, but it's an ultimate one where everything else fails, and it's about as effective as using complex medical equipment as a blunt weapon in a melee fight.. I know a few trillion Matari that might disagree with you. They'd disagree that enslaving people is actually not the best way of religious conversion? I doubt that. They would disagree with you trying to whitewash history. Mass enslavement happened and there wasn't really any attempt at "diplomacy." And if slavery isn't the best way to convert people, why is the Empire the single biggest source of slaves in the Galaxy? YOU are a slaver. Stop trying to play nice-nice and embrace what you are. GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥

Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 351	Posted - 2016.12.13 17:40:10 - [51] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: YOU are a slaver. Stop trying to play nice-nice and embrace what you are. To keep it short: Nope.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2753	Posted - 2016.12.13 21:07:39 - [52] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Tamiroth wrote: Sinti Vailatti wrote: Tamiroth wrote: What a primitive nonsense. Even in the times of first prophets the Empire was very well capable of diplomacy, making alliances and spreading the word of God among heathens without resorting to mass enslavement. Reclaiming means bringing people to the light of God, and enslavement is also one of the means to do that, of course, but it's an ultimate one where everything else fails, and it's about as effective as using complex medical equipment as a blunt weapon in a melee fight.. I know a few trillion Matari that might disagree with you. They'd disagree that enslaving people is actually not the best way of religious conversion? I doubt that. They would disagree with you trying to whitewash history. Mass enslavement happened and there wasn't really any attempt at "diplomacy." And if slavery isn't the best way to convert people, why is the Empire the single biggest source of slaves in the Galaxy? YOU are a slaver. Stop trying to play nice-nice and embrace what you are. So-- without agreeing fully with Ms. Tamiroth, Ms. Vailatti (I think the Pax Amarria is a kind of recent thing?) ... The Amarrian whose warnings about the Amarr has most echoed your comments is the founder of your corporation, Sinjin Mokk-- an Angel, like yourself, who, like yourself, seems to object to the idea that there are other ways of being Amarr. I've been among the Amarr for some time now. The things he said they would do to me, they haven't. This could always be because I haven't really tried to fight back or anything, but then again, I'm also still an Achur. If they're just trying the nice approach before giving up and tipping me into a cleansing pit (and I still don't know what a cleansing pit actually is), they're being pretty patient. Or, maybe there's more than one way of being Amarr. After all, from what I've seen, it seems there might even be more than one way of being an Angel.
Pieter Tuulinen Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle 6916	Posted - 2016.12.13 22:25:34 - [53] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Or, maybe there's more than one way of being Amarr. After all, from what I've seen, it seems there might even be more than one way of being an Angel. Sure, there's the way that Vincent Pryce does it and the wrong way. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2755	Posted - 2016.12.13 22:35:42 - [54] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Aria Jenneth wrote: Or, maybe there's more than one way of being Amarr. After all, from what I've seen, it seems there might even be more than one way of being an Angel. Sure, there's the way that Vincent Pryce does it and the wrong way. Uh-- how does he do it, exactly? Since we're being particular like that. Apparently.
Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 216	Posted - 2016.12.14 00:20:55 - [55] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: So-- without agreeing fully with Ms. Tamiroth, Ms. Vailatti (I think the Pax Amarria is a kind of recent thing?) ... The Amarrian whose warnings about the Amarr has most echoed your comments is the founder of your corporation, Sinjin Mokk-- an Angel, like yourself, who, like yourself, seems to object to the idea that there are other ways of being Amarr. I've been among the Amarr for some time now. The things he said they would do to me, they haven't. This could always be because I haven't really tried to fight back or anything, but then again, I'm also still an Achur. If they're just trying the nice approach before giving up and tipping me into a cleansing pit (and I still don't know what a cleansing pit actually is), they're being pretty patient. Or, maybe there's more than one way of being Amarr. After all, from what I've seen, it seems there might even be more than one way of being an Angel. Hi. Thanks for the reply. So let's see... Mokk and I have a lot of history, obviously. Some opinions we share. Some we don't. Going into specifics here would take too much time and is quite frankly, not for open conversation (drop me a private convo sometime though, we'll sip whiskey and talk about boys). What I was saying...it's not about there being differences. It's about taking personal responsibility. All Amarr have some degree of accountability in promoting the system of slavery which has spanned centuries. To suggest that things weren't so bad or to claim some kind of innocence because one finds the practice distasteful in some way, or because someone ain't a Holder doesn't mean you have some degree of superiority, moral or otherwise. She's a Slaver. You're a Slaver. I'm a Slaver. We all support systems that engage freely in it. We all reap the benefits of our association. So why try to avoid it or downplay it? Especially among the Amarr where it's tied so deeply into the economy, culture and religion. That's why I said that Nauplius isn't entirely wrong. In the eyes of the galaxy, we're all not nice people. So why try to hide it behind a veneer of civility? Own that sht. I don't know what Mokk thinks or thought they'd do to you. What would you be fighting back against? Conversion? That you're an Achur, I think you're pretty safe from the Pits. They're usually reserved for the real big conversion and apostasy issues. From what I remember, you'd almost have to be an Amarr who committed some truly heinous acts; but still have some kind of worth or shot at redemption. Nauplius might be a good candidate. But Bloody Omir wouldn't be. Him, they'd just kill. Sure, not all Amarr are the same, just like no Angel is the same. You operated differently than Vincent. I operate differently from either of you. But we all support a particular system. All our lives and actions intersect. I think one of the viewpoints Mokk and I still share is real dislike for hypocrisy. If you need to engage in some bad sht, do it. Don't shy away from it, don't try to make excuses for it. Enemies won't believe you and your family will understand and love you despite it. So do it, own it and move on. That's kinda my message to Tamiroth. Like, I feel as if her response to me should have been, "Shut your whore mouth and remember your place, Matari scum." I think the modern, kinder, gentler Amarr are a lot more disingenuous than the old-timers. Back in the day, if you got lippy with them, they'd verbally castigate you and then send a squadron of ships to ruin your day. Now? I dunno. They're too easy. GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2759	Posted - 2016.12.14 08:00:56 - [56] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: It's about taking personal responsibility. That's a line I'd expect to hear from Miz. I'm getting a premonition we're not going to see eye to eye on this. Quote: All Amarr have some degree of accountability in promoting the system of slavery which has spanned centuries. To suggest that things weren't so bad or to claim some kind of innocence because one finds the practice distasteful in some way, or because someone ain't a Holder doesn't mean you have some degree of superiority, moral or otherwise. She's a Slaver. You're a Slaver. I'm a Slaver. We all support systems that engage freely in it. We all reap the benefits of our association. So why try to avoid it or downplay it? Especially among the Amarr where it's tied so deeply into the economy, culture and religion. Because we might think there are other ways, and work towards them. Because four thousand years of slave-taking and forced conversion has hit a major speed bump in the last couple hundred, and the way forward on that road looks pretty rocky. Because the Amarr can pursue their Reclaiming by other means-- and probably with better success. That's what the Societas is about, even. Even if it's more or less true for now, it doesn't have to be. Quote: You operated differently than Vincent. I operate differently from either of you. But we all support a particular system. All our lives and actions intersect. ... um. It seems like you're a little familiar with me from somewhere, Ms. Vailatti, so I should maybe clarify that I'm probably not quite the person you might remember. I'm a sabotaged clone. Personal memories: poof. I'm basically a ridiculously well-educated 2-year-old. My current subjective timeline's never been with the Cartel. Though occasionally someone tries to tell me the Amarr aren't very different. Quote: I think one of the viewpoints Mokk and I still share is real dislike for hypocrisy. If you need to engage in some bad sht, do it. Don't shy away from it, don't try to make excuses for it. Enemies won't believe you and your family will understand and love you despite it. So do it, own it and move on. I kind of think hypocrisy is a pretty minor sin as such things go. Life's more complicated than people say. It would be hard to "say" things precisely enough that principle (as stated) and practice never part ways. Of course, one can just try to be a simple and straightforward person. I might do a little of that; integrity's important to me. But "I'm a bad person and that's all there is to it" seems like a refusal to approach situations in a nuanced way. Quote:* That's kinda my message to Tamiroth. Like, I feel as if her response to me should have been, "Shut your whore mouth and remember your place, Matari scum." I think the modern, kinder, gentler Amarr are a lot more disingenuous than the old-timers. Back in the day, if you got lippy with them, they'd verbally castigate you and then send a squadron of ships to ruin your day. Now? I dunno. They're too easy. ... I guess you're a little accustomed to thinking of the Amarr as villains. That seems like a pity. I've mostly found them to just be what almost everyone seems to be: people. The world's short on heroes and villains. Taking on a hero's part seems to often lead to a failure to examine one's own actions with the care they deserve, so, that's troublesome. It seems like taking on a villain's role might lead to something similar, though. Thoughtlessness. Carelessness. The willingness to leave lethal booby traps lying around in somebody else's home and not care who might come across them. Possibly even the homes of people who might express their displeasure with a thermobaric explosive satchel instead of an angry convo and the odd grumpy reminder if they were slightly more willing to play the villain. Personally, though, even though I'm aware that my success at my work can often be measured in corpses generated, I'd rather be a little hypocritical and decide not to kill a few hundred people sometimes. (Feel free to ask Sinjin what I'm talking about; I still haven't quite forgiven him.)
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 220	Posted - 2016.12.14 09:12:35 - [57] - Quote Nauplius wrote: The Scriptures are drenched in the blood of God's enemies. During the battles of SatachGÇÖs Spite, entire canyons turned red with the blood of Udorian subhumans. That is the meaning of Reclaiming. So is this: "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum, excerpt from a commencement speech to Paladin graduates of the Imperial Academy. CE 23215 (too bad Jamyl didn't inherit this aspect of her relative's personality) Haven't you seen how Empress Jamyl (back then just Jamyl Sarum) had appeared over Mekhios like a white knight in shining armor with her Apostles and cut through hordes of raging heathens like a hot knife through butter? That was beautiful, that was divine. She did a miracle and saved everyone on the planet! (( If you are a roleplayer, please join official CCP channels ingame for roleplayers and support roleplaying community: Intergalactic Summit - IC router Out of Character - channel for discussion of roleplay, live events and lore ))
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 354	Posted - 2016.12.14 09:16:42 - [58] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Like, I feel as if her response to me should have been, "Shut your whore mouth and remember your place, Matari scum." That's just a litte more verbose way of sayng "Nope" that'd have a side effect of making a lot of brainwashed extremists happy. Why would I willingly turn into an enemy propaganda cliche? One Nauplius is more than enough. So, nope.
Casserina Leshrac Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.12.20 00:49:21 - [59] - Quote After so long it is good to see that the Faithful are still here. They prattle about Divine concepts, and yet read what is given to them since the earliest days of school. They are coerced to memorize such words as rote. Told that Scriptures hold the answer on how to live. Those same told the Faithful to follow their Emperor/Empress as they were Divinely chosen. They are liken to lambs to slaughter. Blind, deaf and dumb. The speak out against Jamyl Sarum, is to speak out against the office of Emperor. regards who sits on the throne now. To spew out Scripture as justification shows that the herd grows and that true defenders of Amarr are the few. The question remains. Do you follow the word of "God", or follow the "word of God" as written for sheep by sheep? I have learned long ago that not all what is seems.
Vlad Cetes No.Mercy Triumvirate. 90	Posted - 2016.12.20 04:26:31 - [60] - Quote Casserina Leshrac - Your presence on this forum is a welcome sight. We request a contact at a secure facility or communication channel. (( ooc you also page Vlad Cettes which exists for game play reasons ))

Casserina Leshrac Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.12.20 05:10:47 - [61] - Quote Vlad Cetes wrote: Casserina Leshrac - Your presence on this forum is a welcome sight. We request a contact at a secure facility or communication channel. (( ooc you also page Vlad Cettes which exists for game play reasons )) Vlad Cetes - I remember you well. It is good to see an old friend from those times when I was a mere initiate in the Bloodveil. I look forward to speaking with you again. Perhaps over a drink? ((OOC: I'll drop you a line))
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 222	Posted - 2016.12.20 11:56:00 - [62] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: After so long it is good to see that the Faithful are still here. They prattle about Divine concepts, and yet read what is given to them since the earliest days of school. They are coerced to memorize such words as rote. Told that Scriptures hold the answer on how to live. Those same told the Faithful to follow their Emperor/Empress as they were Divinely chosen. They are liken to lambs to slaughter. Blind, deaf and dumb. The speak out against Jamyl Sarum, is to speak out against the office of Emperor. regards who sits on the throne now. To spew out Scripture as justification shows that the herd grows and that true defenders of Amarr are the few. The question remains. Do you follow the word of "God", or follow the "word of God" as written for sheep by sheep? I have learned long ago that not all what is seems. The Scripture show the Lord's true wishes, informing the aspirant how to gain ascension to His glorious realm (( If you are a roleplayer, please join official CCP channels ingame for roleplayers and support roleplaying community: Intergalactic Summit - IC router Out of Character - channel for discussion of roleplay, live events and lore ))
Casserina Leshrac Viziam Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2016.12.20 16:53:30 - [63] - Quote [/quote] The Scripture show the Lord's true wishes, informing the aspirant how to gain ascension to His glorious realm[/quote] Does it now? Scripture written by men, for control the masses with blissful ignorance. The me where do men presume to speak the will of Deity? Have you not realized that the Theology Council seeks control of your life. If you have travel New Eden and I have all the wonders you will realize that the Council and the Scriptures that has defined the laws coming from it is noting more than a golden leash of control. It is still a leash. I have thrown off mine when I left the Academy. To seek Ascension you must delve deep into your soul and find the Deity within. To be Amarr, you must Conquer and Control, but first you must understand your Soul's connection to Blood and Flesh.
Praevus 8	Posted - 2016.12.20 19:43:33 - [64] - Quote Dear Casserina, As one who, through trials and tribulations of life, but, most important, through the relentless conquest of thought over the years in seclusion, came to the embracing the concept of the Creator that is not very far removed from what the most enlighthened of the Sabik would call understandable, but also as a former scientist and archaeologist with most of my curiosity still intact, I'd like to ask: Why all the so archaic importance of Blood and ever fragile, decaying, Flesh? Shouldn't we strive instead towards the perfection of the immortal Soul and eternity of the endless, clear, all-ancompassing Mind? You Sani Sabik always are a curious bunch, but for a very long time this scene was dominated by drooling madmen and petty comedians. Now, I feel, there's someone with enough intellectual capacity to provide an old and long dead man with an interesting answer.
Casserina Leshrac Viziam Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.12.21 00:18:35 - [65] - Quote My dear Praevus. Such trials that comes with age are nothing compared to those with immortality such as many capsuleers. The pain of death, the pain of rebirth happens to all who embrace the void in New Eden. But for many life is transitory. Fleeting compared to that of capsuleers. We choose this life. To live among the stars. For some of us it is the path towards the many mysteries that could not be solved while bound to a planet. As a fellow Amarr, are we not told Blood is Life? And that Life in service to the Creator would have meaning. Shedding One's own Blood in that service would have a greater meaning. Blood is our physical connection to the Soul. And Our Soul is that connection to which we consider Divine. As Blood connects to the Soul does it not feed the Flesh? Even the most godless of Gallente cannot dispute this. And from the Flesh we derive Pleasure and Pain. Thus Blood connects us to the Universe as a whole. For those that do believe in a Deity, is this not also a connection? Blood is Life. Blood is Sacred Blood Nurtures the Mind and Soul.
Praevus 8	Posted - 2016.12.21 03:40:11 - [66] - Quote Ah. So much passion, so much life. That's what I like the Sabik for. Thank you, those are nice words. And welcome back.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 6	Posted - 2016.12.21 05:58:53 - [67] - Quote Praevus wrote: Ah. So much passion, so much life. That's what I like the Sabik for. Thank you, those are nice words. And welcome back. You honor me Praevus. And whilst you follow your own path, I am honored by the respect you have shown to mine. I will remember this should we share words again. It was a pleasure to have met you.


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