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SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2916	Posted - 2016.12.15 21:16:59 - [61] - Quote Ravas Geloris wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Ravas Geloris wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: PvP pervades the fundamental nature of EVE. PvE exists, but is susceptible to PvP, at all times and all instances. PvP underlies everything in EVE. And exactly this has to be changed..... Let the people play the game as they want to...and if that means non pvp flag than let this be so..... No animals will be harmed during the filming...just the selfrespect of a couple of griefers will be cut.....and that's a good thing..... :-) You dont understand. There is no escaping the fundamental nature of PVP in EVE, on a one shard server, in all its forms. Check my link to help you internalize and conceptualize the nature of the game you are playing. The entire ingame economy and the systemic nature of its existence depends upon this. If you want to absolutely safely farm dailies, do so in WoW. This will never be possible in EVE. What you propose is anathema to this game, Its impossible. It would destroy it, utterly. It cannot be done here. If you want what you propose, I straight up tell you this is not the game for you. Certainly there is one...it its called "non pvp flagging"....but just mentioning that let others jump bareassed right in your face....... Part of the problem here..... I'm betting Chess players would also be averse to having the rules of Chess changed to be more like Checkers. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Clandestiny Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2016.12.15 21:17:24 - [62] - Quote Ravas Geloris wrote: Certainly there is one...it its called "non pvp flagging"....but just mentioning that let others jump bareassed right in your face....... Part of the problem here..... CCP should create a wall of shame =ƒÿí. Pilot A was too =ƒÉô=ƒÆ¬ to fight an armed =ƒÜÇ so he killed an unarmed =ƒÜó instead. =ƒÉú's can go either way depending on the circumstances =ƒÄ¦. =ƒÄ» GÇ£People tell me I saved hundreds and hundreds of people. But I have to tell you: ItGÇÖs not the people you saved that you remember. ItGÇÖs the ones you couldnGÇÖt save.GÇ¥ =ƒÄ»
Salvos Rhoska 1689	Posted - 2016.12.15 21:20:47 - [63] - Quote Clandestiny wrote: Ravas Geloris wrote: Certainly there is one...it its called "non pvp flagging"....but just mentioning that let others jump bareassed right in your face....... Part of the problem here..... CCP should create a wall of shame =ƒÿí. Pilot A was too =ƒÉô=ƒÆ¬ to fight an armed =ƒÜÇ so he killed an unarmed =ƒÜó instead. =ƒÉú's can go either way depending on the circumstances =ƒÄ¦. Im undecided whom is worse. Him with his ridiculous trolling to destroy EVE, or you with your ridiculous emoji spam. I hate you both, lets settle at that. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Clandestiny Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2016.12.15 22:00:39 - [64] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: I hate you both, lets settle at that. Hate is such a strong word. You can =ƒÉç your =ƒÿï=ƒÉ¦ right on out of here! =ƒÄ» GÇ£People tell me I saved hundreds and hundreds of people. But I have to tell you: ItGÇÖs not the people you saved that you remember. ItGÇÖs the ones you couldnGÇÖt save.GÇ¥ =ƒÄ»
StonerPhReaK Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen 500	Posted - 2016.12.15 23:16:46 - [65] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Im undecided whom is worse. Him with his ridiculous trolling to destroy EVE, or you with your ridiculous emoji spam. I hate you both, lets settle at that. Cant take either serious that's for sure. Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Sarren Sap Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.12.15 23:32:13 - [66] - Quote I think CCP got it abit wrong in the means to expand the customer base. the trial format before isnt a bad mean, just that it's too short and lacks proper tutorial. ccp should do a little bit pressure cooking in marketing mechanic. With 5m sp cap, for a normal alpha to decide is TOO long, it will take months to even get to 3m mark, if an alpha gonna go Omega they already did before this milestone, if they have't, they aint pay the game anyway. And dont be fooled by the stat, 8/9 out of 10 alpha clone are probably old timers who had quited the game. It aint getting your customer base expanded. You need to let the newbies to feel there's hope for a better reward quick before they lose interest. CCP would be better to lower the sp cap, say to 2.5/3m sp mark, but relax a bit on the skill and mod requirement, to maximize the expereince of an alpha, just keep the cruiser cap, so alpha can do whatever under the 2.5m sp and cruiser class cap to let them explore the game more freely. Effectively this is a modified free trial of 3 months.... And CCP can introduce another transitional clone state, say beta/gamma clone, to give access to more skill point and ship class for a lower rate or a one time fee. So it's a a la carte state.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6302	Posted - 2016.12.15 23:59:19 - [67] - Quote Ravas Geloris wrote: There is the SAME pve mission pool since release and NOTING is done to update it or construct storylines around it..... I regret to inform you that you're mistaken. When Eve started, it didn't have missions. All Isk was gained by belt ratting. The First expansion to Eve added Missions. Castor. Missions have been added on an irregular basis thereafter. Additional content is being added as time passes. A recent example is the addition of the NPC mining fleets. As for your mention later of a non-pvp flag, that's against the core DNA of Eve. Where Death is a serious business. (Which is pretty much the mission statement for Eve) You can take steps to protect yourself, but you're always at _some_ degree of risk. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Grymmstorm Kings of Groth 12	Posted - 2016.12.16 06:48:04 - [68] - Quote Val Kaleth wrote: I am also a returning player, and I am returning because of Alpha actually. I cannot always drop the giant wad of cash it would take to keep all my EVE accounts up anymore, so I moved away from it in favor of games I only need 1 account for. Now it isn't that I do not feel the game is worth it, because it was well worth every subscription I paid for in the past. BUT having alpha lets me stay in the game easier and choose accounts to omega or PLEX. I am thankful for what is offered and enjoy what I have. In the end I see alpha as being the perfect way to keep me interested in the game and encourage me to spend my money here rather than elsewhere. CCP just got more money from me this way than they would have keeping the old model. They give alphas more than enough to experience the game in most ways, and it holds back enough to give you the urge to pay. It is also careful not to give alphas things that can be exploited easily. This model gives people unlimited time to test out the game without feeling the pressure of paying for something they may not like, and we all know that EVE can take time to learn. So I hope this helps get people really into the game and interested in paying for a subscription that supports the game. (added PvE would help this a LOT) I tried to read this entire thread but didn't, so I apologize if this was already said, but I felt the need to jump in and say it. I missed out on a lot of EVE because of feeling like I needed ALL my accounts active to enjoy it, and now that is not as big of an issue. I am also getting into it much deeper than I ever did because I no longer have the fear of "yikes I may not be able to keep paying all my subs" Well, I agree with you on the whole point of being afraid you can't afford all of your accounts, so Alpha is nice in that respect. However, CCP has actually lost a lot of income from me since introducing Alphas. I dropped all my subs except one since I can still use them for some stuff. I still have one sub, but might be dropping it as well. After dropping the other subs, I find I have more free time to do other stuff, and I don't feel pressured into playing a ton to get my money's worth. I'm actually contemplating dropping my last sub, and then just login a couple times a month to do some small PVP roam or something. There are very few people still around that I've flown with in the past, the game has gotten boring, and without the friendships it just isn't as fun anymore.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1301	Posted - 2016.12.16 07:18:19 - [69] - Quote Ravas Geloris wrote: And your post is a pretty good example for the disrespect of PVP players showing all other....... "only our way to see the game counts" and if someone wants to play his way he is a "carebear" that just want to hinder me in playing the game "the right (my) way"......but "your" way is not "the" way and respecting other ways would be saying "hey...if he wants to do this he should be able even if that means i'm not allowed to shoot him"..... THIS would be respectful and i don't see ANY...not a single PVP player showing that respect..... I know this look in the mirrow must hurt but i think it's a true sight of pvp here...they think the rule and have lost any contact to others...... The hypocricy in your post is dripping buckets like the drool from your bottom lip. Pvpers do see the game the right way and your inability to see that is because you don't understand the game. But mostly, you show the same lack of respect that you cry about, claiming that somehow your right to play your way should trump the right of others to play how they want. **** you. I've never killed anyone in highsec, but I feel like reviving Feyd's pay it forward program, killing a carebear in game for every whining post in the forum. Congrats. The first kill will be in your name. I'll make sure the person knows to thank you. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Ravas Geloris State War Academy Caldari State 5	Posted - 2016.12.16 12:30:15 - [70] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Ravas Geloris wrote: And your post is a pretty good example for the disrespect of PVP players showing all other....... "only our way to see the game counts" and if someone wants to play his way he is a "carebear" that just want to hinder me in playing the game "the right (my) way"......but "your" way is not "the" way and respecting other ways would be saying "hey...if he wants to do this he should be able even if that means i'm not allowed to shoot him"..... THIS would be respectful and i don't see ANY...not a single PVP player showing that respect..... I know this look in the mirrow must hurt but i think it's a true sight of pvp here...they think the rule and have lost any contact to others...... The hypocricy in your post is dripping buckets like the drool from your bottom lip. Pvpers do see the game the right way and your inability to see that is because you don't understand the game. But mostly, you show the same lack of respect that you cry about, claiming that somehow your right to play your way should trump the right of others to play how they want. **** you. I've never killed anyone in highsec, but I feel like reviving Feyd's pay it forward program, killing a carebear in game for every whining post in the forum. Congrats. The first kill will be in your name. I'll make sure the person knows to thank you. If there are people who like to play the game other way not the people,the game has to change..... Exactly nonsense posts like this are meant if i mention "respect"..... There is not only pvp in this game and IF there are pvp pilots that hinder pve pilots in playing THEIR game the pvp pilots are to be punished....and a continued harrasment of pve pilots has to be made impossible..... Bottom line.... And those "EVE wille be destroyed if these changes come" bullshit talks are just that...... Change to a more pve style will not kill eve.....they will change it to a better game.... These "i kill you 'cause i can and are allowed too" bullshit has to stop in hi...and ,regarding to ccps actions the last time they WILL push the game exactly into this casual way if you like it or not..... No one will kill pvp in eve...just adjust it to a more realistic style..... if you are in an unsafe area you can be robbed.....but beeing robbed inside a police station with the policemen surrounded and all you have to do is call your buddy to get the loot(just an example for the chaneges is suggest) is ridiculous. A single sentry should alpha kill a pilot that is ignoring the non pvp flag regrdless what ship he flies and everyone who tries to pick up the loot shoot be killed too..... Im not against pvp,i'm against senseless,pvp forced only from one side simply because they think the have the right to.....this should end in this game.... This is what i'm takling about.....you can still have duels in hi....but no bullshit pvp anymore against unarmed ships for the killmail.....or stealing of mission critical loot in scanned out mission areas..... This minimum change to the casual side is reasonable. Bottom line

Serafiel Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 34	Posted - 2016.12.16 12:31:59 - [71] - Quote Yeah, give my alpha alt a mining barge. Im well able to run about 4 alphas if I use all my static IP / boxes, and with 4 mining barges and my rorqual, I'll make a REALLY nice profit. Now, OP, you see what that could do to mineral market, and by extension, rest of eve economy ?
Ravas Geloris State War Academy Caldari State 5	Posted - 2016.12.16 12:36:06 - [72] - Quote Serafiel wrote: Yeah, give my alpha alt a mining barge. Im well able to run about 4 alphas if I use all my static IP / boxes, and with 4 mining barges and my rorqual, I'll make a REALLY nice profit. Now, OP, you see what that could do to mineral market, and by extension, rest of eve economy ? Well this is a game,no reality..... No real harm is done in any way if the economy collapses.... You take this way too serious....
Serafiel Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 34	Posted - 2016.12.16 12:38:18 - [73] - Quote Ravas Geloris wrote: Serafiel wrote: Yeah, give my alpha alt a mining barge. Im well able to run about 4 alphas if I use all my static IP / boxes, and with 4 mining barges and my rorqual, I'll make a REALLY nice profit. Now, OP, you see what that could do to mineral market, and by extension, rest of eve economy ? Well this is a game,no reality..... No real harm is done in any way if the economy collapses.... You take this way too serious.... Yeah, lets collapse the game economy, and go to a new game, right? :> Or maybe, lets shout to ccp to just server seed everything for 100 isk, like on SiSi, so you can have your full PVE heaven? Sorry, but no. edit: really, you do not have any idea how does economy in eve works, do you?
Kolinthia Lincoln Apogee Industries The Dominion Alliance 11	Posted - 2016.12.16 16:15:47 - [74] - Quote Ravas Geloris wrote: Serafiel wrote: Yeah, give my alpha alt a mining barge. Im well able to run about 4 alphas if I use all my static IP / boxes, and with 4 mining barges and my rorqual, I'll make a REALLY nice profit. Now, OP, you see what that could do to mineral market, and by extension, rest of eve economy ? Well this is a game,no reality..... No real harm is done in any way if the economy collapses.... You take this way too serious.... Too serious? You realize if the games economy collapsed the game would be finished right? It's such a delicate balance between ISK and real life currency that economy is essential to its continued existence. I for one would like to keep playing this game for years to come. Edit: I would also note that EVE also puts food on the table of CCP's employees and it's technically one of Icelands most famous exports.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 15007	Posted - 2016.12.16 16:48:21 - [75] - Quote Ravas Geloris wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Ravas Geloris wrote: [ WHAT? "Stuffed with PVE" ? What are you talking about.....? CCP is ONLY doing something for PVP...way to much..... And this is untrue. Incursions (sansha and for a while, Drifter), Drifters, Burner missions. Clone soldiers. New complexes in 2011. Lvl 5 missions. Epic Arcs. Pirate Epic Arcs. Wormholes (sleepers). New loot since 2012 (like Gistum/Pithum invuls), Marauders (pve focused ships) etc etc. There is the SAME pve mission pool since release and NOTING is done to update it or construct storylines around it..... So Dread Pirate Scarlet has been a missions since release? Quote: And even it it would be...you could BET some idiots that think they have the right to do so will try to hinder you due scanning out your mission spot and getting your mission critical item.... THIS is the problem.... There has to be a FORCE that hinders idiots to jump on your head and harras you in that way..... Any non willing PVP or stealing critical loot or even scanning out a mission should be prohibited..... No griefing in high..... But i can hear the harrasment fans "i do it cause i can.Eve is a pvp game.....ect p.p. For some people only THEIR way to play the game counts...all other players that don't share their strange hobby are just loosers that deserve disrespect,,,,, Bullshit..... One has to let the other play HIS game at least in high and should otherwise be punished with a ban..... Bottom line..... Quote: Your post is a pretty good example of what's wrong with 'carebears'. And your post is a pretty good example for the disrespect of PVP players showing all other....... "only our way to see the game counts" and if someone wants to play his way he is a "carebear" that just want to hinder me in playing the game "the right (my) way"......but "your" way is not "the" way and respecting other ways would be saying "hey...if he wants to do this he should be able even if that means i'm not allowed to shoot him"..... THIS would be respectful and i don't see ANY...not a single PVP player showing that respect..... I know this look in the mirrow must hurt but i think it's a true sight of pvp here...they think the rule and have lost any contact to others...... Lmao. This guy thinks im a pvp player. Someone want to tell him or should i?
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6313	Posted - 2016.12.16 16:57:17 - [76] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Lmao. This guy thinks im a pvp player. Someone want to tell him or should i? You're arguing with him Forum PvP! Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Xodiac Primus Aliastra Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2016.12.16 21:25:22 - [77] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: don't worry about EvE, we got this. infact, in my corp alone, most of our newbro recruits have already upgraded. just worry about yourself, ok? It's funny when people spout blatant lies and think people will believe it. This has been a pretty underwhelming attempt at getting new/old players to sign up. Could probably count the new accounts on your fingers and toes and you won't need to remove but one sock and one shoe.
Ravas Geloris State War Academy Caldari State 5	Posted - 2016.12.17 17:59:42 - [78] - Quote This game will not die of a change to more PVE it will die of the ignorance players show to needed adjustments........ These unbelievable "PVP players are god and rule it all" will kill EVE sooner or later..... This is not the way mmog work today and ignoring this fact will end it all...... Reality will kill the wishful thinking...as i said sooner or later it will end your dream...... And yes...this is A GAME.....and you take it all WAY TOO SERIOUS.......
Salvos Rhoska 1698	Posted - 2016.12.17 18:51:56 - [79] - Quote EVE is, through and through, a PvP game. Through various means/mechanisms of competition/conflict/interaction, no matter what you are doing, happens within a PvP framework. The reason for this, is we are all equal players in a shared universe. Though the rules are different, we interact in EVE much as we do IRL, in competition and in conflict over limited resources. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent


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