Well yes.... been about the same price for months.... then after the patch markets crash and its a lot less isk per unit?

Well that does not seem right.

Its very simple.... I get a lot less ore per cycle...

Thanks for the support..



Please check char age....



We get less boost on the amount of ore per cycle... BUT less cycle time..

But for me its does not add up to the same per hour of mining.

Zen

Why don't you go to a nullsec industry corp and mine there with rorgual boost.

Maybe in the logs it will say?

If you check the booster mods which changed... The new script charge does not work on the amount per cycle, just lees cycle time.

In the past the old mining mods did cycle time and amount per cycle.

Zen

Decreases mining lasers/ gas harvester and ice harvester duration.

Foreman Links are dedicated mining operation systems designed to assist foremen in coordinating their operations.

While only one of these units can normally be operated at any given time, certain advanced units allow the use of multiple systems.

Note: The Gang bonus only works if you are the assigned fleet booster.

Well then if the cycle time is now less.

I should be getting more?

I think I know what the OP is attempting to say. The amount of ore pulled per cycle has been reduced. I believe it came with the change to the mining barge bonuses. edit: I believe the poster above me has it correct now that I think about it more: Cycle time is less but yield / cycle is lower as well on fleet boosted barges because the mining foreman mindlink does not give a bonus to yield anymore, but increases the effectiveness of your boosts giving even shorter cycles compared to a booster that does have the implant.

In the past I would pull like 18k veldspar per cycle, now about 15k per cycle, but the cycles come much faster. Overall I probably am pulling more ore per hour though.

Keep in mind the changes to the mining drones for the orca pilot. Those drones are pulling a lot more than they used to.

Of course the cost of those cycles has increased, because there were no charges to buy before for the mining boosts and now there are.

I am not whining about it, Eve constantly changes and you have to adapt to the new reality, I am fine with it really, it keeps the game fresh, and usually will alter my game play or style.

Mining in Eve has changed in this manner every time they have introduced something new.

Example: When strip miners were introduced and still to this day, strip miner 1 pulls more per cycle than a strip miner 2 without a crystal. When you upgrade to using a crystal you outpull a strip miner 1, but now with a cost. The crystal doesn't double the amount pulled of strip miner 1 but it does double a strip miner 2. In essence you only get about 1/3 more than strip miner 1 but now with a cost attached.

I do like the larger capacity on the orca though, even if there was a nerf to the amount pulled per hour, which I do not believe has happened, I would welcome the change to the hold size.

CS.

"Ore per cycle" is a pretty useless value. Try a fixed frame of reference, such as m3 per hour.

My thoughts exactly.

I dusted off an old barge and orca and tried it out.
Aside from the changes to the orca and boosting, the barges were changed as well. I had to refit an old hulk due to the changes. Lost one of the three strip miners (only 2 high slots now). Gained a low slot.

Last year a max skilled barge pilot and a max skilled orca pilot with T2 implant would pull 4,155 M3 / 83 second cycle
That was 1,385 M3 X 3 strips

That worked out to about 180,000 M3 / hour

Currently the same two pilots will pull:
3,013 M3 / 61 second cycle
1,506 M3 X 2 strips

That works out to about 177,000 M3 / hour or 1.7% less than last year.

However, the mining drone changes should offset that assuming drones are used.

So a maxed hulk loses 39m3/min? It's the end of the world!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL.

Sorry.. I see the forum is a waste of time.

Please check char age....

Cycle time is less but yield / cycle is lower as well on fleet boosted barges because the mining foreman mindlink does not give a bonus to yield anymore, but increases the effectiveness of your boosts giving even shorter cycles compared to a booster that does have the implant.

I am not a miner so I am not gonna do the math for you, but from a quick look over the stats the yield / minute should be the same as before.

However the prices of Tritanium, Pyerite, Mexallon, Nocxium and Isogen have dropped since the patch (a quick look on the market graphs could have shown you) which of course results in less ISK / cycle.