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Marduk Felzhen
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Posted - 2007.04.11 06:16:00 -
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If price was not an issue, and each ship was fitted out with faction mods, which faction bs would come out on top and why?
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Phoenicia
Eidolon Exploration and Exploitation
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Posted - 2007.04.11 06:20:00 -
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The Bhaalgorn would go home with a hawt chick, cause it itself is so damn hot.
All in all I'd expect the Rattlesnake to win though. Good shieldtanking abilities, good damage output (although from missiles). Plus it's second-sexiest.
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.11 06:25:00 -
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I am assuming you are talking 1vs1 in which case a rigged bhaalgorn could easily tank the dmg of all the other ones indefinetly while exercising cap murder on them and then finish em off with a few mega pulse tech 2's
 Originally by: Stamm
Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.11 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Phelan Lore on 11/04/2007 06:39:18
Vindicator would win or die. Rattlesnake would win or tank til it was unaggressed. Mach would win or run away (except against the bhaalgorn with an officer web).
I don't see how the bhaalgorn could lose (unless the other ship was fit for ewar).
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.04.11 07:11:00 -
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Nos is still ftw. Bhaalgorn is the king of Nosing.
Not much more to think about.
Pew Pew!
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Pehova Mindtriq
Serial Killers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 08:14:00 -
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With faction mods the biggest weakness would be cap I think and bhaalgorn is the best ship then. Don't know who would come in second and third place but I bet the Nightmare would end up last.
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 08:18:00 -
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Mach v Vindi = Run out of ammo before either die. 
God I hope this is under 24kb
It is :) Kreul Intentions |
Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.11 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 11/04/2007 08:19:01
Intresting topic. A Rattlesnake could in theory passive tank if it was facing a bhal 1v1, but that would hurt its chances vs the other ships.
But at the end of the day - Raven State issue beats all, with a almost 11k alpha + crazy ROF with all estamal BCU's and also using with rage torps, assuming the pilot webs and paints the target. :)
But on the more serious note, Pilot skill is the deciding factor in these theoretical battles than setup. All of these ships can conter each other baised on setup so there is no I-Win button
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Leandro Salazar
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 09:29:00 -
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Considering the power of nossies, the Rattlesnake would probably be the best of the lot since it is kinda the only BS that can fit a good passive shieldtank on top of non cap-using weapons.
It is somewhat lacking in the gank department though, so might have difficulties killing the others before the passive tank breaks. It really comes down to pilot skill in the end.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.04.11 09:55:00 -
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In a tournament 1v1 with no scrambling needed, the Rattle doesnt need any form of tackle gear and thus can fit a full rack of officer passive hardeners in mids and CPR-II's in lows with purger rigs and could so passive tank the others. Bhaalgorn would win the rest with officer NOSes though.
Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
Radio is essential for Amarr, to call the much needed backup...
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 10:11:00 -
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How much damage teh balghorn would be dishing out?
Because if the enemy hass no capo drink.. balgh would have nothing. A passive tanked machariel (either shield or armor) coud defeat him since after second cycle balghorn would be geting zero cap from it.
But this on a specific setup 1v1.. on a generic setup yes balghron would win.
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Pehova Mindtriq
Serial Killers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
How much damage teh balghorn would be dishing out?
Because if the enemy hass no capo drink.. balgh would have nothing. A passive tanked machariel (either shield or armor) coud defeat him since after second cycle balghorn would be geting zero cap from it.
But this on a specific setup 1v1.. on a generic setup yes balghron would win.
I think a specific setup would be pointless to discuss because any battleship can win 1vs1 if it is setup specifically to counter the other battleship and it's setup.
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.11 15:38:00 -
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Rattler neednt necissarily come 2nd. A nano-nightmare could maybe kick them all, except the bhaalgorn who would suck it dry and no more mwd.
And how would cnr do vs rattler? Rattler has 1 extra low and about 1000 extra shield (base) but cnr has 1 extra launcher meaning about 850 extra damage per 8 seconds with siege II.
And witch is better of the vindi and the navy megathron?
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errorist
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Posted - 2007.04.11 15:43:00 -
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think the bhalgorn would win, and only slightly win against the Rattlesnake if its active fittet :) else bhalgorn and Rattlesnake equal :)
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Jayne Tamm
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Posted - 2007.04.11 15:46:00 -
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ok...so far i think most people are sayin the bhaalgorn is the winner.....
but wot if we mixed it up a bit.....
and threw a Federation Megathron into the mix?...not the navy mega..i mean the fed mega (i.e.: entity's precious  )
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jayne Tamm
ok...so far i think most people are sayin the bhaalgorn is the winner.....
but wot if we mixed it up a bit.....
and threw a Federation Megathron into the mix?...not the navy mega..i mean the fed mega (i.e.: entity's precious )
then you put the Tribal issue tempest and the caldari uber raven
really these 2 are so above the line that they are ridiculows.
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errorist
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Posted - 2007.04.11 17:15:00 -
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lol if you add the fed mega and the others the bhal might still come out on top, since its the bhalgorns nos power that would result in its victory...
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Altrex Stoppel
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:22:00 -
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Bhaalgorn has fitting problems from hell...fit officer nos and you wont get t2 guns on there...fit a faction tank and you still wont get t2 guns on there...machariel ftw tbh.
Originally by: ISD Mod-hango (talking about SNOWY)
It's a pirate corp, deployed near the amarr gates.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 11/04/2007 19:37:25
Realistic scenarios:
1. every pimp wagon hugs ss waiting for blob
2. every pimp wagon hugs gate/station so he can dock if it goes bad
3. ...
About tanks, dps and other crap... each ship can tank others as long as it has cap charges. Bhaalgorn's chances of killing any of these ships is probably lesser than for any other, simple reason is sh1tty dps and by the time you suck opponent dry, he will lose agression and go away.
Simply for "real" pvp use, vindicator or machariel have use, rest is pretty much crap.
Oh and for bhaalgorn's dps... realistic dps after fitting 4 nosfs and proper midslot items comes around 300-350, depending on crystals and drone type.
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Horza Otho
Minmatar
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:42:00 -
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I can tell you which wouldn't make it.
Machariel.
What a surprise, eh?
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xHalcyonx
Amarr
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Horza Otho
I can tell you which wouldn't make it.
Machariel.
What a surprise, eh?
Explanation please.
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Marduk Felzhen
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:09:00 -
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BECAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO! (yes, explanation please)
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:18:00 -
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I would say the dominix would come out on top...
Why spend billions on faction if you can use a domi ^^
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Marduk Felzhen
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:36:00 -
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because the domi looks like a whale, and we all know what happaned to moby ****...
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:39:00 -
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So it's seems pretty much agreed upon that the Nightmare sucks ass. Oh well I'm still gonna get one sooner or later - it's just too sexy.
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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NightmareX
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.11 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2007 23:50:42
Originally by: madaluap
Why spend billions on faction if you can use a domi ^^
I wouldn't use that ship even when i have got the ship for free, since i don't want to fly around in a ship that looks worser than my ass .
And yeah, a Domi would be able to take a more newer player in a Machariel, but if you goes against an experienced player that have used that ship for a long time and are specializated in that ship, then a Domi will be in trouble.
And those who says a Machariel is not a good ship, you really don't have the right skills to use it then, or the right setup. A perfect trained player in a Machariel is very dangerous
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Horza Otho
Minmatar
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2007.04.11 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: xHalcyonx
Originally by: Horza Otho
I can tell you which wouldn't make it.
Machariel.
What a surprise, eh?
Explanation please.
Because when compared to other Faction BS's, except maybe a nightmare/navy apoc, it is insufficient tbh.
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Laughlyn Vaughns
Gallente
Lagos-Vaughn Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.12 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Laughlyn Vaughns on 12/04/2007 00:07:36
a bhaalgorn with a standard talisman setup would be very nasty, the nos would run aout 8secs a cycle and would suck practically every ship dry.
u'd quite easily run a dual rep tank.
its on my list of stuff to buy in a few weeks so if anyone is selling one i'm interested.
my nightmare is pretty good and is almost fully setup now for missions (i'm no pvper)
i reckon its a feature to go in E-On lol they did summat similar with hacs dodnt they?
oh and to beef, nightmare is a great ship to fly if a little tough to fit due to cpu
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xHalcyonx
Amarr
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2007.04.12 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: xHalcyonx on 12/04/2007 00:18:56
Originally by: Horza Otho
Originally by: xHalcyonx
Originally by: Horza Otho
I can tell you which wouldn't make it.
Machariel.
What a surprise, eh?
Explanation please.
Because when compared to other Faction BS's, except maybe a nightmare/navy apoc, it is insufficient tbh.
Any real reason. The above just seems to be opinions. I want hard numbers because I intend to fly a Mach later on down the road (6 - 8 months)
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