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Mikael Nolen
Unkindness Incorporated Who Dares Wins.
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Posted - 2016.12.26 21:23:47 -
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HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN wrote:
Im having trouble understanding what I blew exactly
I just came here to ask for some advice. I did it as politely as I could because I realise I'm new here. I feel more like a guest at this point than a part of the community. I defended a position I held regarding my name while getting slandered. I defended my decision to keep my name and even used evidence from this thread to defend my inferences on this individual. I did this as objectively and with as much civility as I could. I don't know EVE but I know how to treat things with an ounce of skepticism. I'm having trouble distinguishing whether the name thing is a legitimate issue that will never let me progress beyond a certain point or if it's something that people are blowing out of proportion. To be honest if the glass ceiling for perturbed names exists and is so detrimental to the main layer and social aspect of the game then why would I even want to associate with people that are triggered so easily and so ferociously by a guy named HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPINHERP. I know the EVE community isn't monolithic in its attitudes towards anything except I'm assuming the continued success of this game but a lot of what I've seen so far has been pretty toxic if not downright hostile to my name. Toxicity aside I actually know so many toxic individuals that if you still showed them evidence and reasoning they can still process information that may run counter to their beliefs as adeptly as people here seem to want to shut it out
The whole point of my name is to root out people that are, in my opinion may, have a poor grasp on social interaction, social norms, thinking objectively about ideas they may or may not initially agree with. I'm sure you've all met some people in real life that you've had to endure that shared a few of those traits I shared. I am just worried I guess because if the majority of people truly believe that having a name like this would literally lock you out if some of the games content, if they're right then this game would be full of individuals with aspects I just described, and honestly having to change one's name to fit into a meta game that metastasized from behavior one could call anti-social at best and borderline irrational at its worst seems just so messed up just on the principle of it alone. It makes me wonder what else this game can strong arm other decisions you may or may not want to make in this game
The fact that youre trying so hard to alienate members of our community in order to make yourself seem superior is probably why you feel like a guest, mate. Theres been alot of good advice here but you choose to focus on one nerd thats said something about your name.
As someone else pointed out about "shitting on your own doorstep", youve painted a target on yourself as someone that is easily annoyed. GL in eve, friend. At this point Id recommend a name change myself. Not because its stupid, but because people already think youre an idiot and youre only a... couple? weeks? into the game.
And as to what you blew, people in EVE shower newbros that are willing to learn and dont have a crap attitude like yours with isk and advice. Youre not longer adorable, youre as bittervet as the rest of us now.
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Quartz Jori
Pan Eden Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.26 21:25:39 -
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HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN wrote:The whole point of my name is to root out people that are, in my opinion may, have a poor grasp on social interaction, social norms, thinking objectively about ideas they may or may not initially agree with. I'm sure you've all met some people in real life that you've had to endure that shared a few of those traits I shared. I am just worried I guess because if the majority of people truly believe that having a name like this would literally lock you out if some of the games content, if they're right then this game would be full of individuals with aspects I just described, and honestly having to change one's name to fit into a meta game that metastasized from behavior one could call anti-social at best and borderline irrational at its worst seems just so messed up just on the principle of it alone. It makes me wonder what else this game can strong arm other decisions you may or may not want to make in this game If I can be blunt, this plan is stupid. You're either the most long-winded and genuine-sounding troll I've seen on a forum or you've just completely overthought this whole thing.
A username is assigned by the user and can therefore be used as a reliable method to form a first impression of them; to expect other players not to form some sort of opinion on you based on the username you chose is misguided at best. Besides that, there are plenty of understandable reasons people would avoid someone with a name like the one you've chosen. First, most people who chose to use an obnoxious name and then put it in all caps tend to be obnoxious people. If you want examples you can go look in the Help chat the game dumped you in when you made your new account.
Second, it'll be annoying to say in comms and probably just as annoying to hear. Like, the name just sucks to say out loud for everyone. I imagine most FCs don't expect their players to all have names that flow like silk, but there aren't many names worse than 'HERP.'
Just choose a less terrible name and it'll be easier to take you seriously. Until then you're name is terrible and people are going to judge you for it because you intentionally chose a terrible name. |
Sorin Orii
OriiGen
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Posted - 2016.12.26 21:31:24 -
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Well OP. You have succeeded in your stated purpose of challenging people with your chosen name :) GJ If you really are new to EVE, you will find it a mixed bag ranging from completely silly, to those that take themselves so seriously that it circles back around to silly.
There were a few good points in the start of this post by others trying to help you with links and resources that I read, answering the meat of your post. However as time went on you really let others (and yourself, tbh) derail the entire point of the thread until it was just you defending/explaining your name.
If I could possibly interject here a bit - If you are going to tout such a ridiculous name on purpose (and you must admit, it IS ridiculous) then wear it like a badge. Don't bother defending it. You stated your purpose in choosing that name, and stick to that purpose with it. It makes people call themselves out for who they are by their reaction to it. Gauge that reaction and move on. In general, in life, and especially with this game follow this advice: "Do not be easily trolled." As it only attracts more trolling.
Also, Welcome to EVE :) Enjoy your stay. There are cookies in the back, but you have to provide your own milk for some reason. And nobody has used the coffee pot in ages, I don't know why, but I suspect it has something to do with the growling sound that comes from the cupboard just above it when anyone approaches.
Fly Safe! o7
:Sorin Orii
Sanity is the denial of chaos
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HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN
Shadow Syndicate Corporation dontPanic.
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Posted - 2016.12.26 21:41:57 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN wrote:
You are never called by your real name in the infantry.
So you prefer to be called HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN? Good call, bro. GL with that. Your cunning plan is truly cunning!
I posted that I was wrong about my original position regarding names and I thanked you for showing me that I was wrong. I literally learned the lesson you were trying to teach me, and I thanked you for it. You were right and I was wrong. What else can I do for you now? I'm new, I have ideas, I tried to explain them to you but was met with such hostility |
Mikael Nolen
Unkindness Incorporated Who Dares Wins.
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Posted - 2016.12.26 21:46:10 -
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ShahFluffers wrote: - Have a sense of humor about everything... the darker the better. The game is cutthroat. And everyone likes a good laugh.
This is literally in the second bit of advice you were given at the start of all this mate.
We are all having a good laugh right now.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.12.26 22:02:51 -
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HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN wrote:I posted that I was wrong about my original position regarding names and I thanked you for showing me that I was wrong. I literally learned the lesson you were trying to teach me, and I thanked you for it. You were right and I was wrong. What else can I do for you now? I'm new, I have ideas, I tried to explain them to you but was met with such hostility
Youve got two options:
1) Carry your social experiment forward.
But I think you will find the results deleterious, especially when you have months invested in your character with this ludicrous name. I think you will regret it, in the long run, and regret it even more the longer you go on..
2) Quit while you have the chance. You are clearly an intelligent person judging from your format in posts (disregarding this social experiment for now). I dont want you to regret your choice of this name later on.
Assuming this is your first, main character, EVE has so much more to experience to explore, than your social experiment by name, that WILL infringe upon your opportunity to do so.
With this name you have shot yourself in the foot, in every pragmatic sense, including those social elements you claimed I lack, which will infact be your own cross to bear (not mine).
I totally "get" what your idea is, but you need to "get" that it will handicap you enormously, exactly due to your experiments premise.
You can create an alt later to try this social experiment, but dont do it on your primary character.
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Demonspawn 666
The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2016.12.26 23:24:30 -
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New player trying to take it all in?
You're ambitious... But i hope you take every inch....
Good luck!
The Dirty Rejects are recruiting!
Come play with me...... I like being played with!
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Doctor Phong
Gemini Technologies
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Posted - 2016.12.26 23:25:54 -
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" I'm new, I have ideas, I tried to explain them to you but was met with such hostility"
You haven't been around long enough to experience the real hostility. This is not a game for thin skinned idealists.
As far as being new in the game; You want a collective of tender nurturing players? Join Eve University. It's a great corp devoted to new players, they'll teach you everything you could ever want to know. |
PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
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Posted - 2016.12.27 03:05:07 -
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HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN wrote:
You are never called by your real name in the infantry.
So you prefer to be called HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN? Good call, bro. GL with that. Your cunning plan is truly cunning! I posted that I was wrong about my original position regarding names and I thanked you for showing me that I was wrong. I literally learned the lesson you were trying to teach me, and I thanked you for it. You were right and I was wrong. What else can I do for you now? I'm new, I have ideas, I tried to explain them to you but was met with such hostility
Hostility is the default position in EVE. Even people that are "nice" to you because you're new are probably going to actively **** you over before "nicely" explaining what you did wrong and how you can improve. If they're REALLY nice they might give back some of what they shot or swindled out of you after you'd had time to mentally and emotionally absorb the object lesson they have given you.
It's a form of tough love. People are generally tolerant of new players in EVE, but people are also aware that 'learn by doing' is the only successful form of getting anywhere in as complex a game as this one is. They want to **** you over so that you can make better decisions later when you're actually worth ******* over.
If there's one thing that's going to engender hostility from another EVE player, its trying to make some point about being morally or intellectually superior in metrics that aren't directly related to EVE itself.
Intellectual superiority where it isn't directly and practically applicable to playing EVE is not a quality highly valued by other players. And we have some VERY smart people playing EVE. People I highly respect for the work they do in reality. People I would also not hesitate to murder just because they happen to be in something murderable that might make me a few million ISK if given the opportunity. And that's not even generally an act of war in EVE between neutral parties. That's just Tuesday.
Moral superiority is an almost laughable concept in a game that directly encourages the economics of distrust, revenge, and generally ******* over your fellow man as expected rather than abberant behavior. A "legal" target in EVE is also generally considered a "moral" one. The reasons that prevent violent conflict are generally more about economics than morality.
Divorce yourself from the idea that the person correlates with the EVE persona. EVE is intentionally a rather dystopian thing that actively encourages the imbalances and excesses of the monied class and the use of violence as the most expident way to solve virtually any problem. Most people playing EVE are not remotely the same people as the personas they inhabit for the purposes of surviving in EVE.
If you're looking to get a handle on EVE, I suggest you start by realizing that in its context you aren't really in a position to test or evaluate other people. There are many organizations and players willing to help, but when you approach them with some holier than thou attitude they're going to be immediately less willing to help you. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2016.12.27 03:31:25 -
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Mikael Nolen wrote:ShahFluffers wrote: - Have a sense of humor about everything... the darker the better. The game is cutthroat. And everyone likes a good laugh.
This is literally in the second bit of advice you were given at the start of all this mate. We are all having a good laugh right now. This thread... it oozes irony.
I will use it on my steak tonight rather than A1.
In all seriousness though...
HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN wrote:Mikael Nolen wrote:At this point, I think you have left the cuddly adorable newbzone and have entered into the fray of the rest of us bittervet douches. You had 1 shot and blew it man. :) Im having trouble understanding what I blew exactly See... here's the thing...
If a newbie comes along and asks questions, we all do try to help in any way we can. Some advice may be more trollish than others, but it all coming from a good place (for the most part).
Now... People are going to have issues with your name. That is fine and to be expected. You chose the name so that you can, to paraphrase your own words, "weed out those you do not wish to associate with." That is also fine and a bit cunning.
But then you go on a diatribe on why this is a good tactic and how people are dumb for judging you based on it. All in an effort to defend yourself.
That is where you went wrong.
There are few things that EVE players will universally unite against. Having a "superiority complex" is one of them.
The more you try to paint yourself as a more "intelligent" and/or more "cunning" person, the bigger the target on your head and more tempted people are going to be to take a dump all over you.
Take my advice; stop trying to defend yourself and just roll with it. Remember one of the bits of advice I gave you in my first post in this thread?
ShahFluffers wrote:- realize that you are the low man on the social food chain. You have to work your way up by doing stuff, not saying stuff.
So... yeah... you are "saying stuff" right now. Stop "saying stuff."
You are only digging yourself deeper into that proverbial "hole."
How did you Veterans start?
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Denialle Keikira
Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.12.27 10:36:30 -
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New player puts together a character with a silly name New players asks for help on forums. New player is told to have a sense of humour. He is then criticized for his silly name. New player attempts to lawyer a defence for his name. Another player steps in to the debate over name to point out he should have a sense of humour. New player is advised that no matter if right ot wrong, defending ones self makes you look bad so now noone is going to help him now.
*sigh* humans...youre a funny bunch
EDIT: I would recommend finding a good active corp with similar goals and interests to yourself. There are a bunch of newbro friendly corps which are great for learning the game with others, atleast until you decide where in eve you want to be |
Jhonas Riddick
Liberate Tutemet ex Inferis Unsuitable
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Posted - 2016.12.27 11:28:15 -
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HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN wrote:
I posted that I was wrong about my original position regarding names and I thanked you for showing me that I was wrong. I literally learned the lesson you were trying to teach me, and I thanked you for it. You were right and I was wrong. What else can I do for you now? I'm new, I have ideas, I tried to explain them to you but was met with such hostility
And so it begins, your life in EvE... welcome
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Grigg Skjellerup
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2016.12.27 11:50:38 -
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HERPINDERPINHERP HERPINDERPIN wrote: My name serves as a way to detect if an individual can/will immediately judge my intelligence and/or competence in a negative light based on their aversion or acceptance of something as simple as a name. This information lets me allocate my social resources and investments in people in a more fine tuned manner. Those that cannot see beyond a name they dislike and their immediate dis.missal of my intellectual capacity are a waste of time to me honestly
I'll prejudge you for your name. Not so much your intelligence and/or competence, but attitude. I'll simply judge that anyone willing to use a name like that is going to be someone I won't enjoy playing with. There's a few other types of names that get the same reaction out of me. I don't assume the owners are stupid, I just assume they're wankers and/or 12 years old. If you want to judge me for that, I've got no issue with it.
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Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings
59
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Posted - 2016.12.27 12:13:49 -
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awww yeah take it all in nice and slow |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
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Posted - 2016.12.27 12:23:24 -
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I don't care how professional and thoughtful a lawyer is, if he is dressed like a clown I'm not going to be his client! |
Mikael Nolen
Unkindness Incorporated Who Dares Wins.
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Posted - 2016.12.28 02:39:15 -
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OP PLEASE |
Sameli Adelora
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.28 05:36:06 -
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Don't try to take it all in. There are things in the game that you can't do yet focus on the things you can. Take it in a little at a time and get good at that little bit then take on more. |
Sitting Bull Lakota
SBL Co
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Posted - 2016.12.28 09:34:52 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:P.S. Your name is OK, wear your name tag with pride and honor. Keep one thing in mind, OP, you cannot change you name here. Five or ten years down the road, are you still going to be happy with that name? Or are you going to be one of those people who comes to forums and whines because they named their character something stupid when they were in their early 20s? I have batted the idea of changing my name around. I've received enough of a response from other players that CCP may be open to allowing me to change my name. My intention in choosing S.B.L. was nothing but reverance and respect for the man and his accomplishments along withthe tribe he rode with. However, I've been called out for using a name without permission from the tribe (if such a system to acquire permission exists) by players who appear to be knowledgable about the topic. I have also had a few "warriors of justice" accuse me of appropriation.
I'd rather upset people with my actions rather than my name. If they'd allow me to, I'd rename to Ski Bare Loveland.
To the thread originator, as a new player, you have the power to change your name with very little pain. It is completely up to you, of course, but for the sake of your continued enjoyment of the game, choose to name yourself something original to you. |
Torin Corax
Mosh Pit
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Posted - 2016.12.28 10:55:19 -
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Hi and welcome to EvE.
As far as your original post goes, everyone chooses to play how they want to play. If you have the patience to go slow and dedicate 2-3 months per "aspect" of eve, then go for it. There is nothing wrong with that, and making sure you have a good understanding of the basics for each Eve occupation will certainly benefit you in the long run......and Eve is very much a long-run kind of game imo.
That being said, Eve is also about specialization. The sooner you have a good idea about what is going to be fun for you, and what direction you want to take your character the better. It's a balancing act, and one you will have to figure out for yourself based on your personal preferences.
As to the name....well. The most important commodity in Eve is trust. It is a bloody rare commodity indeed. As a new player you have no history, no "banked" trust so to speak. Any time you approach other players, either an individual or a corp, they are going to make an assessment of you based on the information they have (which is almost none at this time). The name is not going to be helpful to you. It is a name one would expect from a forum troll/ in-game troll/ adolescent troll etc. It does not inspire any trust whatsoever, and actually sets off a few alarm bells for those who have been playing Eve long enough to be very cautious in their dealings with an unknown entity.
While I do understand the principle behind your stated purpose of your choice of name, please understand that those who are criticizing it are not doing so out of spite or malice. They are in fact trying to help a newbro out. They/ we are simply trying to help you understand that it may well be detrimental to you in the long run to choose a name that immediately puts more experienced players on their guard. You may be using the name in order to help judge other people by their response to it, fair enough. As long as you understand that the response will often be "tainted" by in-game experiences with which you are entirely unfamiliar at this time. Anyone who's played Eve for any length of time has probably had experience of trusting those who were not deserving of that trust. This is EvE.
Everything you say and do in this game will follow you. Every decision you make, in-game or in the forum will have consequences. We are trying to help you see the possible consequences before they jump up and smack you in the face.
This is about as helpful as I get. Advice is free, take it or not as you see fit.
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.29 02:30:16 -
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You should ask my 18 year old girlfriend. She takes it all in.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
567
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Posted - 2016.12.29 09:03:40 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Wow that's an incredibly irritating name
we shall call this one pin
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Omar Alharazaad
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.29 10:31:49 -
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Actually, I find some perverse entertainment in what people can try to read from a name in this game. You'd be amazed at how many times I've been called a terrorist or worse in local, and I mean some really vile stuff. Some of it even came close to hurting my feeling. Granted, this was often right after I'd blown up their ship, but still it was pretty inappropriate.
Truthfully, I think that many of the people who are going to have difficulty taking you seriously in game are the same folks that have issues accepting the disconnect between character and player in games.
*shrug*
Also, welcome to General Discussion. You will find 'some' good advice here, but you will find better in New Citizens Q&A.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2016.12.29 19:00:57 -
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Just chill OP. Its a ladies game. No hustle, no skills just cruising around doin your thing. Like hangin at a bar alone or with buddies figuring out what the hell next.
Scraping together skills dreamin about makin it big, at something.
Boom youre dead. Bam got some ISK.
Drop youre bookmark and keep youre optimal firerange.
P.S. Most chicks are dudes.
I miss my IS-7
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2016.12.29 19:33:57 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Wow that's an incredibly irritating name we shall call this one pin
I think i will call the OP "Button Moon"
EVEBoard ...Just over 50million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2016.12.29 20:43:16 -
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@Salvos Rhoska
You Finn?!
No voihan iso vittu!
I miss my IS-7
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Wendell Stamps
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.12.29 21:50:37 -
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I wouldn't be bothered by the name nannies here. Nothing about your silly name will prevent you from achieving what you want to achieve. Hell, my main's corp CEO (the leader of 3800+ members) is DurrHurrDurr, and we had an FC named Yolo Swagtron. Silly is fine. |
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2016.12.29 22:04:56 -
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Wendell Stamps wrote:I wouldn't be bothered by the name nannies here. Nothing about your silly name will prevent you from achieving what you want to achieve. Hell, my main's corp CEO (the leader of 3800+ members) is DurrHurrDurr, and we had an FC named Yolo Swagtron. Silly is fine.
Right there. Also if he starts using comm in some corp he will probably be nicknamed.
I miss my IS-7
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