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LoneCold
Gallente
Libertae Nolvm
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Posted - 2007.04.12 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: LoneCold on 12/04/2007 08:22:00
Ok, first of all, I apologize if this topic has been brought up before but with no easy way to search the forums I couldn't be sure. Now for the point of this topic, in the past 2 days our corp has lost several ships and a quite a lot of ore due to ore stealers.
We aren't usually victims of ore stealing but it seems the past 2 days there is some kind of ore stealing spree. Now, say I am there... mining in a barge. I see the ore stealer approach my can but can not do anything. They grab the ore, I get agression rights, however, kinda useless in a barge. So I call a corp mate for assistance, he gets here and can't do a thing. Due to this we have lost a good few ships now, most recently a hyperion. One of our corp members was ore stealed, he called for assistance so our hyperion pilot warped in, they started an attack and both our ships were lost (and the ore). The hyperion shot down by sentry guns.
Now in my opinion, if one corp member should get agression/kill rights for anyone reason, the whole corp should receive them. Please post your opinions on this matter and what you think should be done, or if the system should be left as it is.
Thanks, Lone
Edited: Added paragraphs lol
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.04.12 08:24:00 -
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 Originally by: LoneCold
Now in my opinion, if one corp member should get agression/kill rights for anyone reason, the whole corp should receive them.
AFAIK thats how it works, as long as it isnt a starter corp.
and please make some paragraphs in your post. 
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Sahjahn
Caldari
Black Wolves
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Posted - 2007.04.12 08:30:00 -
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if someone steals from you then that person is flagged to the entire corp for 15 minutes (as far as i know), obviously this is not the case for NPC corps in which case the theif is flagged only to the miner.
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Arunca
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Posted - 2007.04.12 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sahjahn
if someone steals from you then that person is flagged to the entire corp for 15 minutes (as far as i know), obviously this is not the case for NPC corps in which case the theif is flagged only to the miner.
Which is why stealing from nubs is so fun:P
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Ghan Tylous
Caldari
The Graduates
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.04.12 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ghan Tylous on 12/04/2007 08:41:36
Originally by: Arunca
Which is why stealing from nubs is so fun:P
Try to steal from mining EVE-Uni students in Korsiki, have fun, good luck 
But the orethief is flagged for your whole corp.
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.04.12 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Arunca
Originally by: Sahjahn
if someone steals from you then that person is flagged to the entire corp for 15 minutes (as far as i know), obviously this is not the case for NPC corps in which case the theif is flagged only to the miner.
Which is why stealing from nubs is so fun:P
When stealing from noobs is fun to you... well... see you in 2 years when you hug a lowsec gate in your Nyx 
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.12 09:40:00 -
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Get out your favorite mining cruiser and drop a can. Fit the cruiser with a passive targeter and a warp scrambler and as much tank as you can.
Have your corp buddies hanging out in some safe spot and aligned to your position, gang leader amongst that group.
When the ore thief approaches, launch your combat drones and target with the passive. When he flips the can, hit him with the warp scram and scream for your corp mates. Gang leader warps the gang to your position. Your drones will be on him by now. He may take a shot at you, but who cares, it's just a crappy cruiser. By now your corp mates are on top of the guy and he is learning a lesson.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.12 10:29:00 -
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OP makes no mention of hauler friend helping out or not attacking its better to loose some ore somethimes oh well
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Evil RedEye
Minmatar
Visions of Evil
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Posted - 2007.04.12 11:08:00 -
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Tbh i dont see much of a problem. If you dont want ore stolen try a secure can, try having the hauler sat by the can so that as soon as you drop the ore in the ore is in the hauler kind of thing. I was involved in a smiliar convo just the other day when a corp mate of mine stole some loot from someone and was warp disrupted. My corp mate had multiple stabs on so he docked got his drake and sent this guy away hating our guts. And after it we were all in a convo and well, he wasnt happy... we were all called rather nasty things and I tried many times to explain how it was all part of the game mechanics but he wouldnt listen =( .
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Now in my opinion, if one corp member should get agression/kill rights for anyone reason, the whole corp should receive them. Please post your opinions on this matter and what you think should be done, or if the system should be left as it is.
Afaik thats how it is, if not well I think it should be -shrug- I've never had the chance to find out what happens if someone steals from me.
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Cardinal Payne
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Posted - 2007.04.12 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Evil RedEye
Tbh i dont see much of a problem. If you dont want ore stolen try a secure can
It is great when I see someone mining into an unanchored secure can. I just scoop the can. And don't get flagged.
And the noise in local after is always fun and usually petionable.
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LoneCold
Gallente
Libertae Nolvm
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Posted - 2007.04.12 12:52:00 -
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OK well the thing is, I thought it was that way. But last night our hyperion pilot was shot down by concord for assisting, so is it possible a game bug?
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2007.04.12 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cardinal Payne
It is great when I see someone mining into an unanchored secure can. I just scoop the can. And don't get flagged.
And the noise in local after is always fun and usually petionable.
This is perhaps the most fun you can have in an industrial that doesn't require exotic dancers.
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Mo Reaper
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Posted - 2007.04.12 12:57:00 -
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The thief will be flagged to gang members only, not corp members, and only if there in the gang when they steal the ore. so if theres a thief about gang with ur fellow corpys and when he steals the ore BOOM
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Horus Dark
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Posted - 2007.04.12 12:59:00 -
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your actualy supposed to fly back n forth.
Mining with insecure cans is more fruitfull..but more risk involved as it is with most things in eve.
And its supposed to be like that.\
Other then that your corp is flagged for kill 15 mins.
Your "buddys" must have been in a diffrent corp...OR your in mpc corp
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dor amwar
Occam's Razor Combine
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Horus Dark
your actualy supposed to fly back n forth.
Mining with insecure cans is more fruitfull..but more risk involved as it is with most things in eve.
And its supposed to be like that.\
Other then that your corp is flagged for kill 15 mins.
Your "buddys" must have been in a diffrent corp...OR your in mpc corp
more as in post 13. i've had non-npc corp mates call me and when i get there i cannot engage. even when the thief flys in, shoots the miner again, i get no agression rights. not sure if a bug or not. get a secure can and anchor it. hate thieves but there are options.
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Nyabinghi
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:21:00 -
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Well one shouldn't have to gang a corp mate in order to receive the same aggression rights, it should just be automatic. Obviously if a corp member is being attacked or robbed it's an attack on the whole corp, perhaps even the whole alliance if applicable. Isn't the whole idea of a Corp so people can band together and not be so isolated and vulnerable?
See, now I hear CCP saying how they want the players to police themselves and yet the game dynamics a.k.a. CONCORD get in the way. And what is with this 15 min aggression? How does a criminal get a free pass after 15 minutes when the crime obviously has a much longer impact.
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dor amwar
Occam's Razor Combine
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: dor amwar on 12/04/2007 14:35:55
Originally by: Nyabinghi
Well one shouldn't have to gang a corp mate in order to receive the same aggression rights...
i think it's even better than that. need to be in the gang before the aggression occurs. can't just form the gang after the fact and then the gang gets kill rights.
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Black Bands
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:45:00 -
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ore stealing is extremely profitable for the very new players, just need skill for a hauler and WCS and you can make 800kisk per bestower.
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Black Bands
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:47:00 -
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omg i've just realised, i could hire myself out as a gang member to wtfpwn ore theifs. (when my corp leave privateers and we go merc that is)
mail in game if you want ;) ;)
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LoneCold
Gallente
Libertae Nolvm
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Posted - 2007.04.12 22:29:00 -
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The gang thing seems to be true. But if this is the case, how come when I go to commit a crime it says something like:
If you continue [Player Name] and their corp will be free to attack you.
Something like that. Shouldnt it say [Player Name] and their gang. Although I still stick with my opinion that corp should get agression rights. Also agree that the time should be longer than 15 minutes.
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Dei
Amarr
Khanid Aerospace Group
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.04.12 22:43:00 -
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IIRC if you are not in a gang, an ore thief will aggress the entire corp - not gang. A gang is classed as a separate entity, which is why you can take from different corps cans in gang, but not otherwise.
Also, I think that if someone from outside a gang steals from a member in the gang, only the person who had his stuff stolen will be able to kill the thief.
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