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Kenrailae
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2017.01.04 12:29:53 -
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but new players don't stay new players. Eventually they become old players. Old players learn the things they shoulda known as new players and make new accounts with all the benefit of an older player with the perks of a new player as well.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2401
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Posted - 2017.01.04 14:24:48 -
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Tar Jaynara wrote:Shu t'Me wrote: Just start 4 alpha accounts. It's not like you pay for them. You are not seriously. It isn't a smart way to familiarize with a game, especially, when eve online position itself like an intelligent game. Even World of Warcraft (game 7+) have option to create a particular number of characters equal to the number of different classes in game.
Here's what I'm seeing. You want to be able to use the same login to be able to access all 4 races of alphas so that you can fly any and all alpha crap fleet doctrines.
News flash, Alpha is an introductory clone. It is SUPPOSED to be limited and making you want for more. That way if you like the game you can do your fare share and pay for a subscription.
The fact that you are wanting more is proof that the Alpha clone is currently working exactly as intended. |
Lena Crews
Universal Sanitation Corporation
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Posted - 2017.01.04 14:26:51 -
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Shu t'Me wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:blargderp wrote:you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. What? Every PLEX is originally purchased directly from CCP. Even authorized third-party sellers buy PLEX first from CCP. They buy it cheaper in bulk than single PLEX, just the same as CCP sell PLEX directly at discounted rates the more you buy. Either way, CCP get the income from PLEX. Actually, CCP has said they prefer people who pay subs over buying PLEX from them. Yes, they make more money, however a PLEX is what's referred to as deferred income. CCP can't actually count PLEX sales as income until the PLEX is used.
As someone who works in finance and accounting... I don't get that accounting practice if that is in fact what CPP does.
You can't trade in a PLEX for real world money as far as I know. Income for PLEX SHOULD be accounted for at the time it is purchased... not at the time it's used. You put the income gained from the sale of a product on the books at the time it's sold... not when the person you sold it to gets around to using it.
Your grocery store doesn't account for the sale of a loaf of bread to you when you make a sandwich. It goes on the books as sold when you pay for the bread.
I can see CCP preferring subs because they have a higher retention rate due to automatic re-subbing. Your explanation makes no sense though. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2401
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Posted - 2017.01.04 14:46:11 -
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Lena Crews wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:blargderp wrote:you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. What? Every PLEX is originally purchased directly from CCP. Even authorized third-party sellers buy PLEX first from CCP. They buy it cheaper in bulk than single PLEX, just the same as CCP sell PLEX directly at discounted rates the more you buy. Either way, CCP get the income from PLEX. Actually, CCP has said they prefer people who pay subs over buying PLEX from them. Yes, they make more money, however a PLEX is what's referred to as deferred income. CCP can't actually count PLEX sales as income until the PLEX is used. As someone who works in finance and accounting... I don't get that accounting practice if that is in fact what CPP does. You can't trade in a PLEX for real world money as far as I know. Income for PLEX SHOULD be accounted for at the time it is purchased... not at the time it's used. You put the income gained from the sale of a product on the books at the time it's sold... not when the person you sold it to gets around to using it. Your grocery store doesn't account for the sale of a loaf of bread to you when you make a sandwich. It goes on the books as sold when you pay for the bread. I can see CCP preferring subs because they have a higher retention rate due to automatic re-subbing. Your explanation makes no sense though.
Let's stay focused ladies. This thread is about alpha clones working correctly and making the alpha clone player want for more. This isn't an economics symposium on the mystic practices of the CCP accounting process. |
Shu t'Me
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Posted - 2017.01.04 18:25:21 -
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Lena Crews wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:blargderp wrote:you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. What? Every PLEX is originally purchased directly from CCP. Even authorized third-party sellers buy PLEX first from CCP. They buy it cheaper in bulk than single PLEX, just the same as CCP sell PLEX directly at discounted rates the more you buy. Either way, CCP get the income from PLEX. Actually, CCP has said they prefer people who pay subs over buying PLEX from them. Yes, they make more money, however a PLEX is what's referred to as deferred income. CCP can't actually count PLEX sales as income until the PLEX is used. As someone who works in finance and accounting... I don't get that accounting practice if that is in fact what CPP does. You can't trade in a PLEX for real world money as far as I know. Income for PLEX SHOULD be accounted for at the time it is purchased... not at the time it's used. You put the income gained from the sale of a product on the books at the time it's sold... not when the person you sold it to gets around to using it. Your grocery store doesn't account for the sale of a loaf of bread to you when you make a sandwich. It goes on the books as sold when you pay for the bread. I can see CCP preferring subs because they have a higher retention rate due to automatic re-subbing. Your explanation makes no sense though.
Because, while I've never heard of it happening, it is possible to demand a refund for an unused PLEX you've purchased.
When you buy a loaf of bread from the grocery store, the loaf of bread is considered delivered at that point. When you buy a PLEX, you're buying 30 days of game time. Up until that PLEX is used, and the game time applied to an account, CCP has nod delivered on their side of the agreement. |
blargderp
United Earth Space Council
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Posted - 2017.01.04 19:44:57 -
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Shu t'Me wrote:
Because, while I've never heard of it happening, it is possible to demand a refund for an unused PLEX you've purchased.
When you buy a loaf of bread from the grocery store, the loaf of bread is considered delivered at that point. When you buy a PLEX, you're buying 30 days of game time. Up until that PLEX is used, and the game time applied to an account, CCP has nod delivered on their side of the agreement.
you can return a loaf of bread to the store if it's unused.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
5666
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Posted - 2017.01.04 21:20:38 -
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Kenrailae wrote:seconding the 'harmless from an alpha but REALLY problematic from an Omega' perspective
Agreed, that was my thought.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
383
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Posted - 2017.01.05 08:28:12 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Not high priority for me personally but the suggestion logically seems ok.
How technically possible it is, I don't know, but in general +1 from me. Seems sensible.
Well at the rate ccp goes if a 15 sec advantage for a button to switch characters will take 6 months for a team of 5 devs, a 4th slot may take at least a year
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3810
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Posted - 2017.01.05 12:43:46 -
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Shu t'Me wrote:
Because, while I've never heard of it happening, it is possible to demand a refund for an unused PLEX you've purchased.
When you buy a loaf of bread from the grocery store, the loaf of bread is considered delivered at that point. When you buy a PLEX, you're buying 30 days of game time. Up until that PLEX is used, and the game time applied to an account, CCP has nod delivered on their side of the agreement.
Except with all the uses of Plex, and the in game use of plex simply to 'invest' on speculation, and the fact that when you buy plex it specifically says you are buying plex.... Yeah not buying that argument.
But deferred income means that it puts the use of plex in the right financial statement. |
Tar Jaynara
Cras cras semper cras sic evadit aetas
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Posted - 2017.01.05 15:41:24 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Tar Jaynara wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:Just start 4 alpha accounts. It's not like you pay for them. You are not seriously. It isn't a smart way to familiarize with a game, especially, when eve online position itself like an intelligent game. Even World of Warcraft (game 7+) have option to create a particular number of characters equal to the number of different classes in game. Here's what I'm seeing. You want to be able to use the same login to be able to access all 4 races of alphas so that you can fly any and all alpha crap fleet doctrines. News flash, Alpha is an introductory clone. It is SUPPOSED to be limited and making you want for more. That way if you like the game you can do your fare share and pay for a subscription. The fact that you are wanting more is proof that the Alpha clone is currently working exactly as intended.
Currently I don't play, but I like this game and want this game to be popular and successful.
In general, I don't support eve online economical model, but that is what we have and this topic isn't about it.
You say GÇ£it is supposed to be limitedGÇ¥ but limitations can be different, ship class and a tier modules limitations are strong enough, in my opinion.
You say GÇ£ making you want for moreGÇ¥ but you need like it before you want for more
let a new comer like this game before he encounter limitation. If you call faction ship restriction and three characters, together, GÇ£limitationGÇ¥, I call it GÇ£defectGÇ¥ that doesn't help to like this game.
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Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3044
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Posted - 2017.01.05 16:17:27 -
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Lena Crews wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:blargderp wrote:you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. What? Every PLEX is originally purchased directly from CCP. Even authorized third-party sellers buy PLEX first from CCP. They buy it cheaper in bulk than single PLEX, just the same as CCP sell PLEX directly at discounted rates the more you buy. Either way, CCP get the income from PLEX. Actually, CCP has said they prefer people who pay subs over buying PLEX from them. Yes, they make more money, however a PLEX is what's referred to as deferred income. CCP can't actually count PLEX sales as income until the PLEX is used. As someone who works in finance and accounting... I don't get that accounting practice if that is in fact what CPP does. You can't trade in a PLEX for real world money as far as I know. Income for PLEX SHOULD be accounted for at the time it is purchased... not at the time it's used. You put the income gained from the sale of a product on the books at the time it's sold... not when the person you sold it to gets around to using it. Your grocery store doesn't account for the sale of a loaf of bread to you when you make a sandwich. It goes on the books as sold when you pay for the bread. I can see CCP preferring subs because they have a higher retention rate due to automatic re-subbing. Your explanation makes no sense though.
It's still listed as deferred income as the service was not provided yet. The loaf of bread has been provided but a PLEX is "nothing". They don't "cash" it's value until it has been used because they would have to fiddle around with expense when you finally use it for whatever it is and no income is attached to that service, be it character transfer, game time, Aurum or whatever else. |
Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3044
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Posted - 2017.01.05 16:21:30 -
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Agondray wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Not high priority for me personally but the suggestion logically seems ok.
How technically possible it is, I don't know, but in general +1 from me. Seems sensible. Well at the rate ccp goes if a 15 sec advantage for a button to switch characters will take 6 months for a team of 5 devs, a 4th slot may take at least a year
Core feature of old games are always a PITA to fiddle with.
Or the devs hold a hard line of NO because they know if we get that, we will then ask for more. See current discussion about account getting more character slots now that we have free account. |
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