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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.29 11:54:00 -
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Seems to be alot of people who havent beem reading the dev blogs or if they have have been ignoring the parts they don't want to read.
Tech II is in game but are for the most part player produced objects, So you will have to wait for the following
a) Peeps to research the BP's
b) Peeps to do missions to gain the skill packs
c) Peeps to train the skills neccasary to train the new skills then train the skills themselves
d)Peeps to do missions to gain the building matrials for Tech II
e)Peeps to start producing these items.
So my guess is player produced items will not apear on mass for a few weeks. Get used to it, quit complaining and if you want the gear faster you had better start training to produce the items yourself rather than rely on others to do it for you.
Regards
Tal
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This is the one that we are waiting for, there is going to be a raffle. (thats like a lottery) People will get bp's with this raffle, but so far there is no raffle here yet, so after all these weeks we all got b,c,d completed but no bp.
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Durandal
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Posted - 2003.12.29 12:46:00 -
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I haven't trained science 5 yet so it won't be released for 5D 2H 39M.
lmao  . Sorry this is a useless post, I just found this comment funny
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.12.29 13:03:00 -
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I hope CCP gives out the tech2 bp's very slowly. First of all because it makes sense and secondly because if they don't the short attention span kids will be whining for tech 3 in a month. Then tech 4 in two months.
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Palu Whoda
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Posted - 2003.12.29 13:07:00 -
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Deep Core Mining part of Tech II? If so there are BP's for it on the market.
Plus alot of Tech II is player manufactured kit and with the skill packs required it will be some time before anything is filtered to the masses
If not please take a patience pill and quit whining.
Regards
Palu Whoda
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2003.12.29 13:50:00 -
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I hope they get it over with so i can finnally start praying for Shiva to release some "new" ships instead of a tweak of current tech versions like thorax tech2 maller tech2 etc.
So....
Are we sure that there will be tech2 ships out there? I haven`t seen any dev comment on this and I always thought we`ll only see tech2 equipment...
No stats on tech2ships on EVE-DB only on equipment...what am I missing
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.29 16:02:00 -
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IF there's an actual lottery being held it would seem that we should have some idea of the frequency the tech2 bps are being released and the mechanics behind the lottery. More information would only help to ease the boredom of these crap missions.
From everything i've read only a test bp of a tech1 item has actually been done. You can't seriously compare "tech2" skill packs" or "tech2 components" to the release of tech2 BPs.
I would guess there would be roughly 400 tech2 items. If they release 5 BPs per day that will take 2.5 months before every tech2 item is in the game. That would also mean 2.5 months of monopoly for those that get those BPs. Is there any info on time tables, quantities, etc???
On another note, I personally think that a tech1 original should be required by a research agent to research to tech2 in the lottery. This would still allow solo players to get tech2 gear, ammunitiion or some of the richer solos to attempt a bigger ticket item but it seems to damned easy for just anyone to "hit the jackpot" with little effort put into the game itself.
Log on, do a few missions and maybe you too can become an instant billionaire. 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.12.29 16:07:00 -
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IF there's an actual lottery being held it would seem that we should have some idea of the frequency the tech2 bps are being released and the mechanics behind the lottery. More information would only help to ease the boredom of these crap missions.
From everything i've read only a test bp of a tech1 item has actually been done. You can't seriously compare "tech2" skill packs" or "tech2 components" to the release of tech2 BPs.
I would guess there would be roughly 400 tech2 items. If they release 5 BPs per day that will take 2.5 months before every tech2 item is in the game. That would also mean 2.5 months of monopoly for those that get those BPs. Is there any info on time tables, quantities, etc???
On another note, I personally think that a tech1 original should be required by a research agent to research to tech2 in the lottery. This would still allow solo players to get tech2 gear, ammunitiion or some of the richer solos to attempt a bigger ticket item but it seems to damned easy for just anyone to "hit the jackpot" with little effort put into the game itself.
Log on, do a few missions and maybe you too can become an instant billionaire.
I guess that could be to counter the large corporatiosn who, unless tech 2 rewards were rigid and not based on luck, would monopolise the market.
Not sure I agree with it either because large corporations can function with their normal day-to-day activites while having sufficient manpower to have plenty of people doing agent missions and increasing their chance of receiving a tech 2 BP.
does anyone know if RP is taken into account or can anyone just mysteriously get a tech 2 BP?
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.12.29 16:54:00 -
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does anyone know if RP is taken into account or can anyone just mysteriously get a tech 2 BP?
As far as I know it is a personnel adventure. Only individuals RP will be considered. Granted a corp with lot of players doing RP they have better odds of getting BP Tech II but it depends on the individual what he does with it since corp tax and corp RP is not ingame.
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rage3d
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Posted - 2003.12.29 17:30:00 -
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hmm tech2 not released yet hmm whats this free ten day thing for them to scare me ?
goodbye eve goodluck
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RussianBazilisk
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Posted - 2003.12.29 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: RussianBazilisk on 29/12/2003 17:47:58
U know i think they will make a patch where they will make reverse engeeniring possible and TL 1 BPs to TL 2 BPs research. And they will start that stupid lottery. Cuz there is no TL 2 without research and reverse engeeniring.
Just my opinioin.
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Narcisuss
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Posted - 2003.12.29 18:28:00 -
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Tech 2 BP's are in the game, as are the parts, all I need to do is train the related skills.
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RussianBazilisk
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Posted - 2003.12.29 18:43:00 -
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Narcisuss everything is ready for real lunch of TL 2 but many skills and things that we are supposed to do are not out yet.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.12.30 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 30/12/2003 10:18:39
CCP said them selves that the miner-II witch
were released a while back are not TRUE tech2
items..
The crap we get from doing agent missions are
not tech2 either, they are components for
making tech2.
When are you guys gonna OPEN YOUR EYES and
see that there is no tech-2 IN THE GAME.
When i start seeing those tech2 BPs for
ships and modules, then ill stop *****ing.
CCP has even begun inviting old players back
with emails saying that tech2 is released,
inviting them to come back to EVE and try it out
for 10 days.....
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Gunship
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Posted - 2003.12.30 11:17:00 -
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Doing all these agent missions are somewhat painful and I'm starting thinking if im at work or if I'm having fun 
CCP has to make sure they make a fun game, not a make it as hard as possible. If you like PvP (and 95% of all online games are PvP) why make it so hard to get it and replace your ship 
It looks more and more like 100 hours work and 2 minutes fun... Should be the other way around 
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Defenzer
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Posted - 2003.12.30 12:23:00 -
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I dont imagine the lottery will happen for a while. Only with Castor did everyone know what was required to use their R&D agents. In most cases, people had to train certain skills to level 5 proficiency before they could even speak to one. Give it a few weeks.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.30 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 30/12/2003 10:18:39The crap we get from doing agent missions are
not tech2 either, they are components for
making tech2.
Dreez, if you're not capable of seeing the blindingly obvious failure of logic in this statement, there really is no point in trying to hold a reasonable discussion with you.
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2003.12.30 13:20:00 -
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CCP has even begun inviting old players back
with emails saying that tech2 is released,
inviting them to come back to EVE and try it out
for 10 days.....
does sem a bit odd to lure old players back with a 10 day free trial when any actualy tech 2 kit is gonna take a lot longer than 10 days to surface.....
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.12.30 14:29:00 -
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Thats what i¦ve been trying to say, CCP made
a BIG misstake when they went out and claimed
they had RELEASED tech2.
What they should have done is to say that they
had PREPARED for tech2 and that you could
start preparing yourself for it by doing
300 boring missions for agents, and spend
1 month training your skills to be able to
use the research agents.
When someone releases something into a game,
i want to be able to use it right away if
i have the skills for it.
I DONT wanna wait another 1.5-2 months after it
have been released for it to reach my hangars.
If i have the money (witch i have) i wanna be
able to buy it when it is released , maybe at
insane price - but still .
Besides... there must be over 400 tech2 BPs that
CCP will "release", so even if they release
a few per day , its gonna take atleast 2 months
before all BPs are out.
If CCP wait to long with these "lottery" for
tech2 BPs, i belive alot of players will
withdraw their payment and cancel their
accounts again... this time NOT to return.
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2003.12.30 14:34:00 -
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So, I can see you're really a stupid whiner. If you would have read the notes and news, you would have known that t2 bp's and items would be given out by research agents - some t2 bp's are already given out to some people.
Go do research agents Dreez, stop whining about something you don't know **** about.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.12.30 14:46:00 -
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Ok.. answer me this:
How is an player who is invited back to
EVE for 10 days and likes to play "loner"
gonna get to see any tech2 ?
Everyone i know who dropped EVE a few months
ago has been invited back to try out the new
tech2.
When they come back and see that tech2 has not hit the market , they will be greatly
dissapointed - and feel lied to.
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2003.12.30 15:08:00 -
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Dreez.. your argument just doesn't add up.
Castor brought into EVE the tech2 framework. As someone else said, peeps have gotta research BPs, learn skills and manufacture before we'll see any finished tech2 items on the market.
This will take some time (and i'm guessing the 10 day trial for those who had left EVE was done so that those who re-subscribe won't be at a disadvantage, rather than it be used as a shop window for tech 2 products itself).
The first research lottery awarded the Expanded Cargohold 1 blueprint - the only one in the game (and surely worth a good 100 million or so - man i'd luurve to have one of them!).
Future research lotteries will dole out other tech2 BPs. I'm guessing here, but i imagine that you can research tech 2 items out of tech 1 ones (e.g. perhaps the Expanded Cargohold 2 item comes out of research done on the Expanded Cargohold 1) but that's just my hunch.
Anyway, perhaps a fair analogy is likening this to the Industrial Revolution. People didn't wake up one day and find out 1000's of coal-powered factories were built overnight...
More importantly, it appears to be very frustrating to other players (and to myself) to read threads where the author doesn't bother to establish the facts in evidence before *****ing/moaning/trolling on the forums, often out of pure ignorance. Dreez, can we end this chagrin now?
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Stuart Ward
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Posted - 2003.12.30 15:17:00 -
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Personally i think it is absolutely ridiculous that the only way to achieve Tech II in a MMORPG is through single player means
Whats more solo than bloody agent missions !!!
Who ever thought of that peach CCP ?
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.12.30 15:28:00 -
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Eve is not normal.
This game will become player driven. NPC will be supplying the basic goods.
They could go micro economics and make us have bp for all the tech 2 components. Now that would be cool. How about bp for ammo shells and the rocket engines.
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Xachariah
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Posted - 2003.12.30 16:30:00 -
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Personally i think it is absolutely ridiculous that the only way to achieve Tech II in a MMORPG is through single player means
If the new information on the website is correct, then certain skills will be needed for material efficency research, others for production efficiency research, others for copying and again others for producing.
Guess that¦s where the teamplay comes in.
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Stuart Ward
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Posted - 2003.12.30 16:44:00 -
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Personally i think it is absolutely ridiculous that the only way to achieve Tech II in a MMORPG is through single player means
If the new information on the website is correct, then certain skills will be needed for material efficency research, others for production efficiency research, others for copying and again others for producing.
That still doesn't detract from the fact that you need to spend about 100 hours doing mindless missions "on your own" just to get to the start in the chain of events to actually get Tech II
Guess that¦s where the teamplay comes in.
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BraK
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Posted - 2003.12.30 17:40:00 -
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Time out here. Dreez is asking for something that CCP made a big deal about. They even had a "press release" about Tech 2.
It's going on 2 weeks and NOTHING!
He is not whining he is asking for something that was supposed to be given to us. After all we do pay for this thing.
My 2 cents...
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The Calculator
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Posted - 2003.12.30 18:12:00 -
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I'm selling Tech 2 ships through escrow missions, 2 left.. get them while you can! 
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Qual
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Posted - 2003.12.30 19:15:00 -
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Well, CCP has been a bit fuzzy on this. But actually they have made Castor=Tech 2. They see TEch 2 more as a process and a greater range of possibilities.
By that standard Tech 2 i here. With or without the end products.
But no Tech 2 Items besides the old Miner II is out there, nor likely will be until sometime mid Janurary.
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