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Lapsang Souchong Grey
Molden Heath Armaments LLC
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Posted - 2011.12.26 12:46:00 -
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Dear See and Pee,
Firstly a hearty Christmas hello to all you groggy dastardly scoundrels 
I have a question and wondered if you'd be able to help me answer it, or indeed have any experience of doing it and how feasible it is. So here goes;
Is it feasible to disrupt high sec incursions using cheap frigates and ECM bursts?
What's the likelihood of success?
Does anyone have any experience of this and/or care to share tactics?
I was thinking that as most logi's tend to orbit a central container a cheap frig with an ecm burst, sig distortion amp plus some jammers might do the trick. I don't know if this would be enough to break the logi's lock on their rep targets and if it would work.
I would assume that you'd only need to rattle 1 logi pilot and get him to warp, at which point the remaining logi's would be under more stress and threatening to detonate the ECM may cause them to warp too.
If it's not feasible, then I wonder how far threats would rattle people and how much disruption this would cause in itself?
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.12.26 13:30:00 -
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This person has a bit of experience doing ECM, though not with frigates. You should give them a buzz. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.26 15:10:00 -
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We've done a bit of it, but never to the extent that we did aggro transfer. I think Slimy Worm knows it pretty well. ECM bursts are good, blackbirds are better. They'll learn fast to scatter the logis enough that a burst won't shut them all down, and a blackbird should be able to keep them jammed longer.
If you really want to disrupt incursions, get a few people with alts they can afford to idle and park blackbirds at every vanguard accel gate. the bluff will only hold for so long, so you'll need to occasionally jam out a fleet and watch them burn to be sure they stay sufficiently frightened. With enough peopleinvolved, highsec vanguard farming could be brought to a crawl.
I have blackbird alts planned, just need to wrap up some other stuff first.
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Avid Bumhumper
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.26 18:47:00 -
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"Dear CeeCeePee, I'm lousy at everything and bored, what's the best way to Grief someone?"
Fixed that for you....
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Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.26 19:59:00 -
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Ignorant fools, there's only 1 way to grief them high-sec incursionrunners and that''s by popping the sansha mom as soon as it becomes available. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.12.26 20:43:00 -
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Sjugar wrote:Ignorant fools, there's only 1 way to grief them high-sec incursionrunners and that''s by popping the sansha mom as soon as it becomes available.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.12.26 22:18:00 -
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Maximum damage can be done to an Incursion this way:
When the Sansha mom appears, get a team together and kill it.
They are letting the mom sit for days while grinding away at sites.
Kill it, and that grinding comes to an end.
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Lapsang Souchong Grey
Molden Heath Armaments LLC
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Posted - 2011.12.26 23:02:00 -
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Avid Bumhumper wrote:
"Dear CeeCeePee, I'm lousy at everything and bored, what's the best way to Grief someone?"
Fixed that for you....
10/10 Thanks
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SiIver Twin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.27 00:08:00 -
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Sjugar wrote:Ignorant fools, there's only 1 way to grief them high-sec incursionrunners and that''s by popping the sansha mom as soon as it becomes available.
That is one option. but requires a lot of people and gives little pay out for the party involved.
I haven't yet griefed anyone in incursions. But my history working for Security companies has given me insight into defense of attacks.
If I was going to grief an incursion fleet, I'd have one stooge or "inside man" that joins a party and plays and has fun with them for a few hours... After a while he makes an excuse to get more ammo or fresh drones, he quickly can flips an accomplice in system with a fleet of ECM and logi... Then the Insider returns to the group and as soon as he can he broadcasts for reps. (if he's got some aggro on him already he doesn't need to do this)
Then you blow horn for your comrads to warp. The best time possible to do this would be near the end of the second wave in an OTA, the Tama on the field as well as Auga and at least 1 deltole should mean multiple members scrammed.
This should work a couple times before your stooge gets rumbled, but best thing is you can simply rinse him out and bring out another alt. (Training DPS alts shouldn't take long. you can lie about your fittings for most fleets so they believe you to be higher on DPS than you state)
Note: the Aggro for someone with a can flip does not prompt a warning like the war dec or criminal flagging (unless this has been changed recently) |
SiIver Twin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.27 00:09:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Maximum damage can be done to an Incursion this way:
When the Sansha mom appears, get a team together and kill it.
They are letting the mom sit for days while grinding away at sites.
Kill it, and that grinding comes to an end.
Too much effort for small bands to do efficiently... Also means you don't get to farm T2 and Faction hulls for tasty mods. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.27 04:33:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Maximum damage can be done to an Incursion this way:
When the Sansha mom appears, get a team together and kill it.
They are letting the mom sit for days while grinding away at sites.
Kill it, and that grinding comes to an end.
Except that another incursion will pop up elsewhere. If you can stop the farming AND keep the incursion where it is, that's maximum damage.
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Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.27 05:39:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Maximum damage can be done to an Incursion this way:
When the Sansha mom appears, get a team together and kill it.
They are letting the mom sit for days while grinding away at sites.
Kill it, and that grinding comes to an end.
Except that another incursion will pop up elsewhere. If you can stop the farming AND keep the incursion where it is, that's maximum damage. Sir you have no idea how incursions work.
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Krissada
Lead Farmers Academy
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.12.27 11:05:00 -
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Ayyy meh fellow pirates! Griefing incursion runners brings us tears and puts a smile upon our faces
It has to be done in a group however and the more the merrier.
9 blackbird pilots will (when done efficiently) kill a couple of faction battleships and you will even have enough isk from loot drops to get another 50 fully fitted blackbirds. The security penalty isn't even too tough.
Second option is indeed to kill the mothership. Form up off grid, move to the HQ system in groups of 10 to not alert the bears and then go do it. You won't need more than 40 people to grief several thousand incursion runners. Oh jolly joy! |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.27 13:03:00 -
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Sjugar wrote:
Sir you have no idea how incursions work.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.12.27 19:20:00 -
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I have read that ganking the logistics can cause the fleet to go down to the tune of a battleship or two.
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Lapsang Souchong Grey
Molden Heath Armaments LLC
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Posted - 2011.12.28 00:13:00 -
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Krissada wrote:Ayyy meh fellow pirates! Griefing incursion runners brings us tears and puts a smile upon our faces It has to be done in a group however and the more the merrier. 9 blackbird pilots will (when done efficiently) kill a couple of faction battleships and you will even have enough isk from loot drops to get another 50 fully fitted blackbirds. The security penalty isn't even too tough.
This is what I'm talking about. I don't wanna kill the mom and deny them their isk - I wanna bring them tears, cost them isk and watch their tasty faction ships assplode, laugh, grab the loot and salvage their wrecks.
Thank you see and pee for your insight.... Watch this space |
Krissada
Lead Farmers Academy
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.12.28 02:19:00 -
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Lapsang Souchong Grey wrote:Thank you see and pee for your insight.... Watch this space
Ayyy, you be welcome!
6 pre-overloaded racial ECM will jam almost any logi.
Put a ton of blackbirds nicknamed "basilisk" and "scimitar" (according to what james they have) in station and have your scout find an appropriate fleet.
Good luck o7 |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2011.12.28 10:39:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Maximum damage can be done to an Incursion this way:
When the Sansha mom appears, get a team together and kill it.
They are letting the mom sit for days while grinding away at sites.
Kill it, and that grinding comes to an end.
Is there a channel we could put together for this? My main is -10, but I'd be happy to bring a few alts in to high sec just to pop the MOM and wind up some incursion bears. |
Lapsang Souchong Grey
Molden Heath Armaments LLC
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Posted - 2011.12.28 17:58:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Is there a channel we could put together for this? My main is -10, but I'd be happy to bring a few alts in to high sec just to pop the MOM and wind up some incursion bears.
I shall be putting a channel and corp together for this in the next day or so.
The intended plan is to broadcast the location of some of the big incursions and bring reinforcements in to disrupt them as much as possible - or even ransom the incursion for lolz, although I doubt they'll ever agree to it but it will certainly cause tears.
When we have enough people at enough incursion sites it should start to take off. So far we have seen isolated pockets and individuals taking the matters bravely into their own hands. Well guess what, Incursions just got what Suddenly Ninja's did to salvage and missions.
I would like to say this is primarily an opportunity to disrupt the incursions, failing that then logi jamming will be the order of the day since the sec status hit is minimal (ship aggression hit only) so anyone who's bored or wants to cause some bear pain to their fat over-bloated wallets and ridiculous pimped ships which rarely leave hangar is welcome to join.
There may be phat phaction lewtz when their fleet goes boom as the logi's are jammed - bring a salvager 
Why am I doing this? Well frankly I think incursions offer too much isk for too little risk, and these fat bears sit there grinding the sites and leaving the mom up which as someone said earlier is kinda game breaking. Think of me as simply trying to level the playing field a bit. I've played EVE for a long time, and I remember when you had to earn your isk and not have it handed over to you on a platter.
Incursions have made EVE into "WoW in space" and personally, I think that sucks, badly. Since this is a sandbox it's my right, and those of a like mind to disrupt these "space raiders" by ECM ganking their "healers" and brining their pharming to a halt!
Yes, I'm an *******. Join me or deal with it!
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Lapsang Souchong Grey
Molden Heath Armaments LLC
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Posted - 2011.12.28 18:29:00 -
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Channel "Incursion Gankers" is now up - feel free to hop in and bring some friends
Corp also set up for those really wanting to make a hobby of it with their alts and strike fear into the hearts of the ISK and shiny collectors. Nothing like having a load of negative standing blackbirds appear in your site ;) Should be able to accept apps in the next day once my nub alt has sufficient social skills (oops, knew I shouldn't have been peeing in the sink all those years)
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PlayerName
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.28 18:32:00 -
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SiIver Twin wrote:
Note: the Aggro for someone with a can flip does not prompt a warning like the war dec or criminal flagging (unless this has been changed recently)
They changed this a while ago. |
GhostDragoon
Incertae Sedis
Cascade Probable
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:13:00 -
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Lapsang Souchong Grey wrote:[quote=Simi Kusoni]
Why am I doing this? Well frankly I think incursions offer too much isk for too little risk, and these fat bears sit there grinding the sites and leaving the mom up which as someone said earlier is kinda game breaking. Think of me as simply trying to level the playing field a bit. I've played EVE for a long time, and I remember when you had to earn your isk and not have it handed over to you on a platter.
Incursions have made EVE into "WoW in space" and personally, I think that sucks, badly. Since this is a sandbox it's my right, and those of a like mind to disrupt these "space raiders" by ECM ganking their "healers" and brining their pharming to a halt!
Yes, I'm an *******. Join me or deal with it!
Butthurt much? Not to rain on your parade but you're complaining and coming up with a plan where the goal is to hurt the "rich carebears". Yeah you may get some tears, but ppl will continue doing it and replace whatever minimal loss you can inflict on these people. I simply recommend instead of being a hater go have some fun, make tons of isk in 1 day of incursions, then go blow that money on PVP ships in 0.0 It makes the game more fun and less of a darn job just to have fun. I have nothing wrong with griefing & I love carebear tears as much as the next guy. I just don't see the point of taking on a task that you outline here. Think profit vs time invested, etc. If you can't find fun anywhere else in the game then go for it, but there are much more interesting things to do / kill / humiliate in this game. |
Lapsang Souchong Grey
Molden Heath Armaments LLC
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:24:00 -
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You could arge that Velocity Prime and Suddenly Ninja's was butthurt - but they had a hoot while it lasted, no reason this shouldn't be any different |
Krissada
Lead Farmers Academy
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:22:00 -
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Hmm ...
Pop all 3 incursions in highsec. Have 2-3 alts with you
63 x 3 x 2 = 378-567 m isk + enormous amount of tears.
Not bad  |
jamal biggums
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.28 22:36:00 -
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GhostDragoon wrote:Lapsang Souchong Grey wrote:[quote=Simi Kusoni]
Why am I doing this? Well frankly I think incursions offer too much isk for too little risk, and these fat bears sit there grinding the sites and leaving the mom up which as someone said earlier is kinda game breaking. Think of me as simply trying to level the playing field a bit. I've played EVE for a long time, and I remember when you had to earn your isk and not have it handed over to you on a platter.
Incursions have made EVE into "WoW in space" and personally, I think that sucks, badly. Since this is a sandbox it's my right, and those of a like mind to disrupt these "space raiders" by ECM ganking their "healers" and brining their pharming to a halt!
Yes, I'm an *******. Join me or deal with it!
Butthurt much? Not to rain on your parade but you're complaining and coming up with a plan where the goal is to hurt the "rich carebears". Yeah you may get some tears, but ppl will continue doing it and replace whatever minimal loss you can inflict on these people. I simply recommend instead of being a hater go have some fun, make tons of isk in 1 day of incursions, then go blow that money on PVP ships in 0.0 It makes the game more fun and less of a darn job just to have fun. I have nothing wrong with griefing & I love carebear tears as much as the next guy. I just don't see the point of taking on a task that you outline here. Think profit vs time invested, etc. If you can't find fun anywhere else in the game then go for it, but there are much more interesting things to do / kill / humiliate in this game. Also, when you "worked hard for your isk" ratting in 0.0 did you never chain rats? I suppose you are also proposing that chaining rats is game breaking because it allows you to "dupe" a spawn simply by waiting for them to come back?
This guy farms incursion all day long and is scared. Our alliance has been discussing about incursion disruption and we are about to carry on with it. Please stay safe |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
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Posted - 2011.12.29 12:38:00 -
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Like with most futile attempts at disrupting incursions you will eventually get bored and fly off 
Good luck on getting those 40 pilots to come do what we excel in.
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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YoungMoney CashMoney Billionaires
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.29 13:10:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Like with most futile attempts at disrupting incursions you will eventually get bored and fly off Good luck on getting those 40 pilots to come do what we excel in.
ohhhhh C&P got called out. bet you wont respond to that  |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.29 14:37:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Like with most futile attempts at disrupting incursions you will eventually get bored and fly off
*ahem* CCP had to hit us with the nerfbat to make us leave incursions alone.
We'll be back when we get done spending the isk we made off the last run. We have some new tricks we want to show you guys. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.29 14:41:00 -
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GhostDragoon wrote:Yeah you may get some tears, but ppl will continue doing it and replace whatever minimal loss you can inflict on these people. I simply recommend instead of being a hater go have some fun, make tons of isk in 1 day of incursions, then go blow that money on PVP ships in 0.0
I made more isk farming incursioners than they were making farming incursions. Don't believe the lies of the people who fear a dip in their income rate. |
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:01:00 -
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Use 50 ECM bursts, all at zero on the last wave on OTA... that would probably do it. To thye less well organised fleets at least. |
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