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Graelyn Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 789	Posted - 2017.01.12 12:39:01 - [31] - Quote I'm sure they're guffaws of support and admiration. Cardinal Graelyn Resident Lecturer - Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 23	Posted - 2017.01.30 04:58:42 - [32] - Quote Nauplius wrote: morion wrote: who are these people you refer to as your own? " my people " Go on Baseliner followers of Naupliusism. Mostly located among disaffected areas of the Gallente Federation, especially those areas subject to rampant Minmatar immigration. The Grand Temple to the Red God was build to give baseliner followers of Naupliusism a place to worship, including the performance of those rites otherwise illegal on their home planets. I could not help but to follow this thread with some interest. A lot has been said about this "Red God" and "Demon Queen". Nothing like a little melodrama mixed in with megalomania. However I did manage to visit your "Grand Temple". It was magnificent in a provincial sort of way. But what I found interesting was when I asked for a copy of the Holy Scriptures belonging to this "Faith." Did you know Nauplius that Amarr Scriptures are written by those who are willing to make sacrifices. It is our burden as "the choosen". Whether the books are from the Theology Council or Sani Sabik almost all are made with the time honored tradition of flesh. There is no greater honor for an Amarr but to have their flesh removed to make another volume or copy of Scriptures. The flesh make the pages and the blood, the ink. So your chapters, verses and books that I asked for from the nice assistant? Well at first I was impressed that they too were made of flesh. But they were not Amarr. Not "the chosen". I was quite surprised that it was the flesh of slaves, the flesh of Matari Slaves used in your books. Their blood making the text of each volume. Yes I have seen what befallen your followers. So when you send you Caldari Puppets into the teaming masses of the State, will they be carrying dead Matari. I remind you that it against both the teachings of Amarr Faith and the Sani Sabik to use anything other then the flesh and blood of a willing supplicant among the Amarr.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 24898	Posted - 2017.01.30 10:03:21 - [33] - Quote Ayallah wrote: I will provide you with one Kamiera if you can promise that your will give your sermons in person. I would gladly accept any Kameiras. They should become reeducated by Minmatar Light Marine Sergeant sitting in my headquarters. He always wanted to reeducate "those poor bastards" as he says. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 712	Posted - 2017.01.30 12:43:30 - [34] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: Did you know Nauplius that Amarr Scriptures are written by those who are willing to make sacrifices. ... I remind you that it against both the teachings of Amarr Faith and the Sani Sabik to use anything other then the flesh and blood of a willing supplicant among the Amarr. I believe in ritual sacrifice, not self-sacrifice.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3021	Posted - 2017.01.30 13:39:17 - [35] - Quote Never heard of this religion, Ms. Skalski. Is it a minmatar belief? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7030	Posted - 2017.01.30 15:30:53 - [36] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: My stomach muscles ached after reading this thread. I approve of you taking the time to get some exercise whilst reading the IGS. Crunches? For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 24	Posted - 2017.01.30 17:36:10 - [37] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Casserina Leshrac wrote: Did you know Nauplius that Amarr Scriptures are written by those who are willing to make sacrifices. ... I remind you that it against both the teachings of Amarr Faith and the Sani Sabik to use anything other then the flesh and blood of a willing supplicant among the Amarr. I believe in ritual sacrifice, not self-sacrifice. Then you show your ignorance what true sacrifice is. You are nothing more than murderer and thug. If Blood is to be spilled for Rituals, then it must be from an Amarr to be consumed by an Amarr. If other Blood is to be used, then the supplicant may offer his/hers as a replacement for that of an Amarr. While it may not have the potency of that of an Amarr, it's donation, it's sacrifice is more than enough to make up for the difference. I note you wanted to me to read the passage from St. Junip and yet you chose only that one verse. I do believe there is more. But since this the Takmahl variant I would think St. Junip would have added more the final acts of two brothers fighting a beast. You believed that the beat was Brutor. You believed Zakara was not the supplicant? Even after you edited it to fit your own narrative. From my esteemed colleague: Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University Quote: I wouldn't have thought that passage would have related to any Brutor, given the age of the Takmahl empire, some 1500 to 2000 years before present, and that the Imperial fleet only encountered the Minmatar some 1000 years before present. So, it probably relates to something else. In my opinion. But this is discussion about sacrifice isn't it. Not once did I say death was a means to an end of ritual sacrifice. Nor would it do any good for the subject to be Amarr. The Amarr flesh for any and all Scriptures comes from corpses much like a podded capsuleer. The Blood used for the ink drained from the corpse. Many tomes in the homes of some of the more established families of the Nigrum Optimus. To use Matari Blood and Flesh in this way for your "cult" is an insult to many. You are no Amarr nor worth of being called "Amarrian". You pollute the Sani Sabik ways, charlatan and it no longer amuses me.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 714	Posted - 2017.01.31 12:30:47 - [38] - Quote When Molok the Deceiver was brought before the Emperor in chains, the Emperor did not sacrifice himself upon the Altar of God. The Emperor sacrificed Molok the Deceiver upon the Altar of God. Ritual human sacrifice...part of the Amarr religion. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 26	Posted - 2017.01.31 14:31:59 - [39] - Quote Nauplius wrote: When Molok the Deceiver was brought before the Emperor in chains, the Emperor did not sacrifice himself upon the Altar of God. The Emperor sacrificed Molok the Deceiver upon the Altar of God. Ritual human sacrifice...part of the Amarr religion. Amen. Amarr Victor. Ah yes Molok. The stuff that parents teach their children to make them behave. Shall we explore further? Quote: Apocrypha of Blood 31:17 News of Molok's death did finally reach the ears of the Divine Emperor and his heart grew heavy. His Empress, wife, sister and lover knew when his moods grew dark inquired of the change. It was because Molok's House demanded [Ritual Death] so that his flesh and blood be added to their chronicles. The Emperor was vexed because Molok was welcomed to sit near the throne. A position where the Emperor spoke of secrets and confidences. Molok has used them against the people, the Holy Orders, and against the Divine Emperor. The Empress reminded the Emperor that such a person Amarr or Slave was not worthy of [God]. Divine Will dictated mortal law. Thus it came to pass that Molok [the Deceiver] was taken from the Imperial City, killed by the Imperial Guard and his corpse left for carrion. The Emperor then destroyed Molok's House, for they had sheltered [the Deceiver] , defied Imperial Law and the will of [God]. Their chronicles destroyed, their lands seized and cleansed and the family executed like the criminal they chosen to protect. Here is my favorite from the Book of Labours. Quote: Labours 19:02 [The Deceiver] was dragged away from the capital. Not in chains in gold across the Altar of [God] and to Ascension [Ritual Sacrifice] but in bindings of hemp. He was not even worthy to wear the leather straps made from the flesh of Slaves. There was no ceremony when he died. The points of spears, the blade of swords cut into the flesh. He [The Deceiver] was left on the causeway into the capital for all to see the corpse that had been butchered and left to feed vermin. Nauplius I called you charlatan, much like our historical figure here Molok. It seems to me there is a distinct parallel here. Do you see yourself as Molok reborn? If that is the case then that will not end well. The tenants of the Sani Sabik Faith is to True to Oneself. Not to the blind will of false gods or heretics. Creating books of Matari Flesh and giving them to Caldari POW's to turn them into converts shows you are no better than your favored champion Molok. A man given over to his own greed and ambition until he was mutilated and put on display. rolls down sleeve display unique nano-tattoo As you can see the Book of Leshrac is real work in progress.
morion Lighting Build 180	Posted - 2017.01.31 15:32:56 - [40] - Quote Nauplius wrote: When Molok the Deceiver was brought before the Emperor in chains, the Emperor did not sacrifice himself upon the Altar of God. The Emperor sacrificed Molok the Deceiver upon the Altar of God. Ritual human sacrifice...part of the Amarr religion. Amen. Amarr Victor. are you sure

Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 715	Posted - 2017.01.31 22:22:44 - [41] - Quote The Red God can make a worthy sacrifice of the most filthiest of Minmatar subhumans. In the Blood Liturgy we bind Molok the Deceiver to the body and spirit of the slave to be sacrificed upon the Altar of God. There is no finer sacrifice.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 26	Posted - 2017.01.31 23:52:57 - [42] - Quote Nauplius wrote: The Red God can make a worthy sacrifice of the most filthiest of Minmatar subhumans. In the Blood Liturgy we bind Molok the Deceiver to the body and spirit of the slave to be sacrificed upon the Altar of God. There is no finer sacrifice. And this is why liturgy of this nature must be left to those who truly understand this. You offer this as "justification?" That your "god" will elevate a slave to the ranks of an Amarr. Is it because you will it so? Quote: The Rites: Use of Blood For the Divine decreed to the Chosen [Amarr] that only their Blood was worthy of his lips. Nor that of Slave or Beast. Those who do have committed the grievous of sins. To preserve the Word, only the flesh of the Chosen [Amarr] will serve. All other flesh is impure and is a sin against the Divine. You remind me of the champion who demanded to recognized as power in the universe until he incurred the wrath of those better than him. I see this repeating again. Except it will not be some Divine Heroes facing judgement. Instead it will be charlatan overwhelmed by his "slaves"
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 715	Posted - 2017.02.01 12:34:57 - [43] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: That your "god" will elevate a slave to the ranks of an Amarr. Is it because you will it so? God by the miracle of transubstantiation can make a worthy sacrifice out of the most humble of material.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 26	Posted - 2017.02.01 13:59:21 - [44] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Casserina Leshrac wrote: That your "god" will elevate a slave to the ranks of an Amarr. Is it because you will it so? God by the miracle of transubstantiation can make a worthy sacrifice out of the most humble of material. So now you resort to magic, superstition and utter poppycock to substantiate your claims? Well I for a person who has named his "philosophical path" after himself. Just to be clear. Over the last couple of days you have not proven your case merely cited your own words. I have countered with other texts from my journey. What has been proven is this: You are murderer and a butcher - ritual killings do not make a worthy sacrifices. You are a charlatan and a deceiver - you do your friend Molok proud, no wonder you venerate him. You are not one of the Chosen - Hence you are not of Amarr. I denounce you as Sani Sabik - corrupting our teachings to justify your bloodlust. Wasted Blood of non-Amarr does not grant you Ascension. In parting my dear. You are not even destined to be a false prophet. Please refer to my earlier comment about being murderer and butcher.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 25049	Posted - 2017.02.01 14:06:40 - [45] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Casserina Leshrac wrote: That your "god" will elevate a slave to the ranks of an Amarr. Is it because you will it so? God by the miracle of transubstantiation can make a worthy sacrifice out of the most humble of material. Even I can do better. I can transubstantiate a bunch of humble ingredients into a starcake worthy of a sin. And what I can do even better, I can make it disappear! Magic! \o/ Praise me and you will be granted a place beside my table. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 26	Posted - 2017.02.01 15:02:52 - [46] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Nauplius wrote: Casserina Leshrac wrote: That your "god" will elevate a slave to the ranks of an Amarr. Is it because you will it so? God by the miracle of transubstantiation can make a worthy sacrifice out of the most humble of material. Even I can do better. I can transubstantiate a bunch of humble ingredients into a starcake worthy of a sin. And what I can do even better, I can make it disappear! Magic! \o/ Praise me and you will be granted a place beside my table. Worthy of sin eh? Perhaps I should sample this stardust cake myself But then again I know thing or two about sin myself
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 25058	Posted - 2017.02.01 17:19:27 - [47] - Quote Starcake as it is described in Neocom: Quote: The recipe for this highly ornate, traditional Jin-Mei sweet varies from planet to planet, and sometimes from city to city, but its fillings are always dense, sugary, and rich. Each cake's jelly center is held in place with a crusty exterior that, as befits tradition, is so highly decorated with symbols that it resembles a volcanic planet: It is possible to read the baker's story, lineage, and certifications in the crust's maze of lines and ridges, although a reader must be quite dedicated to finish the task before falling to temptation. Come over to my CQ, its ready and I will gladly share with you. Perhaps later we could even learn something about sin, together. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 27	Posted - 2017.02.01 18:53:03 - [48] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Starcake as it is described in Neocom: Quote: The recipe for this highly ornate, traditional Jin-Mei sweet varies from planet to planet, and sometimes from city to city, but its fillings are always dense, sugary, and rich. Each cake's jelly center is held in place with a crusty exterior that, as befits tradition, is so highly decorated with symbols that it resembles a volcanic planet: It is possible to read the baker's story, lineage, and certifications in the crust's maze of lines and ridges, although a reader must be quite dedicated to finish the task before falling to temptation. Come over to my CQ, its ready and I will gladly share with you. Perhaps later we could even learn something about sin, together. Oh I think a discussion of sin over Starcake would only be the beginning my dear. I think there is much "forbidden knowledge" to be gain. A true Sani Sabik never turns down such an offer. Please feel free to contact me privately for the details.
Mika Firestorm Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics 42	Posted - 2017.02.05 11:14:18 - [49] - Quote Hey, don't mix our Starcakes with fanatics and bloody cults, okay?... *State the nature of your medical emergency*
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 35	Posted - 2017.02.05 18:37:38 - [50] - Quote Mika Firestorm wrote: Hey, don't mix our Starcakes with fanatics and bloody cults, okay?... But they were delicious and goes well with our tea.

Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 238	Posted - 2017.02.06 17:48:24 - [51] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Casserina Leshrac wrote: That your "god" will elevate a slave to the ranks of an Amarr. Is it because you will it so? God by the miracle of transubstantiation can make a worthy sacrifice out of the most humble of material. Ok, I need some info. While I'm not the smartest when it comes to theology, walk me through how this works? So take me. I'm Matari, I have tattoos, I drink, do drugs, kill people, fornicate (not all at the same time....usually). How under your view do I get "saved" or deemed as "worthy?" GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 35	Posted - 2017.02.06 19:13:42 - [52] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: So take me. I'm Matari, I have tattoos, I drink, do drugs, kill people, fornicate (not all at the same time....usually). How under your view do I get "saved" or deemed as "worthy?" One could suggest you use the example of the Ammantar However, many Holders do take on slaves. While some look at slaves as nothing more than animals. Others look slaves as "lesser' members of their family. It is a view shared by the Amarr. For example the cults formed because Empress Caitiz I's Udorian heritage. Because of this alleged impurity, she is not worthy for she is not True Amarr. And yet the Fates granted her the throne. So how does a Matar "ascend" to be worthy of being Amarr? A very good question. The Sani Sabik beliefs are have rumored to have started with the Takmahl, when the Amarr came to conquer and later exiled them. In light of both ancient and recent history, I can see no reason why a Matar could not be worthy. Yes a very good question, one worthy of exploration. Perhaps being Amarr goes beyond just Flesh and Blood. Is there really a difference between a soul of the Amarr and that of Matari. Maybe this goes to when Empress Jamyl I freed the slaves. Not all left mind you, many stayed with their Households and employed staff. But they stayed because they choose too. Many chose be in service of their "betters." I leave you with this. While those of Amarr Blood were often used to further a chronicle made of their own Flesh and Blood. There was a rumor that some Holders would take a slave with them to the afterlife to continue their service. Oh yes, new questions to be answered. I thank you Sinti Vailatti, I as a Sani Sabik always like a new mystery to be solved.
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 531	Posted - 2017.02.07 01:49:48 - [53] - Quote Miss Leshrac, you are providing an undue amount of thought to a response due from Mr. Nauplius, the false prophet of Naupliusism. Miss Vailatti: Nauplius wants you to kill, almost as much as he loves to kill, Minmatar. Only if you kill a bunch of Minmatar and drink their blood then reside in his (historically doomed) temples can you find your way out of his fictional hell. Because God apparently hates pleasure hubs, but his (false) prophet's temples are as assured of their destruction, but we will ignore that... Also you have tattoos, Nauplius thinks that means you are marked for destruction because he is so petty as to think a bit of ink in the epidermis incurs the most severe wrath of the greatest entity in existence. You had better get used to fratricide and choking on clots if you have a hope of getting on that madman's good side. That should last a month or two until people who hate each other band together long enough to destroy your new home and Nauplius' works once again. Miss Leshrac, you obviously thought about your response, but you are incorrect. The Amarr only consider one thing when judging whether someone is "worthy". It can be summed in a single word. "service."
Mika Firestorm Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics 43	Posted - 2017.02.07 07:23:00 - [54] - Quote Casserina Leshrac wrote: Mika Firestorm wrote: Hey, don't mix our Starcakes with fanatics and bloody cults, okay?... But they were delicious and goes well with our tea. There's nothing really wrong in eating them and drinking tea. I mean, don't mix them with rituals and stuff like that. They are just yummy food and symbolize cook's efforts to please guests, not to be used in some wicked practices. *State the nature of your medical emergency*
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 35	Posted - 2017.02.07 08:52:08 - [55] - Quote Mika Firestorm wrote: There's nothing really wrong in eating them and drinking tea. I mean, don't mix them with rituals and stuff like that. They are just yummy food and symbolize cook's efforts to please guests, not to be used in some wicked practices. As I have discovered from many Gallente friends, food preparation is indeed a ritual onto itself. Some may even call it art. Needless to say such decadence is always meant to explored and exploited in the company of friends. I would never use such wondrous cakes for our rituals. The act of doing so is practically sinful.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 36	Posted - 2017.02.07 09:40:08 - [56] - Quote Karmilla Strife wrote: Miss Leshrac, you are providing an undue amount of thought to a response due from Mr. Nauplius, the false prophet of Naupliusism. Lady Strife, you too kind. Perhaps if more of the Faithful took notice of this rabid Khanid who mock both the Holy Scriptures and Sani Sabik he would have never made into space. Alas, it must be a failing on someone's part. All I did was merely point that he was in no position to be of any type of divine authority. Now about me being incorrect on this matter. I harken you to The Holy Scriptures below. Quote: The Scriptures. Book II "Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good. Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land. The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood. But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God. Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one." As a Sani Sabik I have been exposed to the Scriptures and various other documents like the Takmahl Texts that in many cases complement each other. I have even seen more questionable documents when I was in service to the one or two cults that allowed me access. I will admit that I am no expert. I know when things get a challenging I always go back to this passage. Knowing that you, I and any True Amarr have been truly "chosen" Quote: Apocryphon, Lost Passages My word lies within all All it requires is the breath of faith To ignite the fire So the lost can find their way So the fallen can rise To take their place as my chosen [Amarr] For you are all my creation And are all equal in my kingdom To my knowledge there is no word for those who serve save "slave." And Empress Jamyl I corrected that issue with her emancipation decree. Times are uncertain and now we must explore all options.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 716	Posted - 2017.02.07 12:27:20 - [57] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Ok, I need some info. While I'm not the smartest when it comes to theology, walk me through how this works? So take me. I'm Matari, I have tattoos, I drink, do drugs, kill people, fornicate (not all at the same time....usually). How under your view do I get "saved" or deemed as "worthy?" Gather three Minmatar: one Brutor, one Sebiestor, one Vherokior. Intone over them the words of Institution, "And Molok the Deciever was brought before the Emperor in chains and sacrificed upon the Altar of God". Sacrifice the three Minmatar upon the Altar of God, feed from their wounds, and fill a Golden Vial with their blood, for the Blood of the Brutor gives Strength to the Chosen, the Blood of the Sebiestor gives Intellect to the Chosen, and the Blood of the Vherokior gives Wisdom to the Chosen. Wear that vial around your neck, not to be used except at the utmost end of need. Forever forsake your Minmatarness: your tattoos, your spirits, your fellowship with other Minmatar. Now you no longer a slave; now you are Chosen of God.
Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 241	Posted - 2017.02.07 15:33:45 - [58] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Gather three Minmatar: one Brutor, one Sebiestor, one Vherokior. Intone over them the words of Institution, "And Molok the Deciever was brought before the Emperor in chains and sacrificed upon the Altar of God". Sacrifice the three Minmatar upon the Altar of God, feed from their wounds, and fill a Golden Vial with their blood, for the Blood of the Brutor gives Strength to the Chosen, the Blood of the Sebiestor gives Intellect to the Chosen, and the Blood of the Vherokior gives Wisdom to the Chosen. Wear that vial around your neck, not to be used except at the utmost end of need. Forever forsake your Minmatarness: your tattoos, your spirits, your fellowship with other Minmatar. Now you no longer a slave; now you are Chosen of God. Thanks for the other replies folks... Ok...I think I get the symbolism in this... So I'm Sebiestor, but I have Brutor and Vherokior in my familiy's background too...probably Nefantor as well...can I just use my own blood? Or is there a genetic "purity" aspect to this? Also, when you say, "given over to destruction," do you mean destruction as death or destruction as change? This is all really muddled... GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 2409	Posted - 2017.02.07 18:11:05 - [59] - Quote It's all muddled because it's made up crap. Naups makes this stuff up as he goes along. His "religion" is nothing more than a vanity cult of personality You know it's bad when both orthodox Amarr and Sabik denounce it. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Rossanjiin Eskeitan Guri Raiders 12	Posted - 2017.02.07 19:04:33 - [60] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: It's all muddled because it's made up crap. Naups makes this stuff up as he goes along. His "religion" is nothing more than a vanity cult of personality You know it's bad when both orthodox Amarr and Sabik denounce it. Aw, come on. Give him some credit. At least he's trying. I've said it before in another thread. At least he's fighting for something.



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