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Carbon Argon Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.04.16 02:00:00 - [1] What would you guys recommend? I can fit nothing tech 2 for a rupture, but I can fit tech 2 small shield booster, 200mm auto-cannons etc if I use a rifter. So what would you recommend for pvp? a tech 2 mod fitted rifter or a tech 1 fitted rupture? Please include Rupture (tech 1) fits that are suitable in terms of outweighing the rifter if applicable. Thanks.
Omar Little Minmatar	Posted - 2007.04.16 03:50:00 - [2] Tech 1 AC Rupture. Definitely. Check the fitting guides... --A man's got to have a code...
Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.16 04:48:00 - [3] Rupture for sure. Fit Artillery if you don't have a MWD and fit Auto's if you do have a MWD. Tank if you use art. Throw a gyro and sacrifice some tank if you use AC, also fit a web or tracking computer or you won't hit much. So, highs: AC and some nos mids: MWD Web 20 km Warp disrupter cap recharger/cap/tracking computer/whatever lows: gyro med repair explosive hardener 2 engergized nano's Or swap out a nano and put in a inertial stab.
Chavu The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 07:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Megan Maynard Rupture for sure. Fit Artillery if you don't have a MWD and fit Auto's if you do have a MWD. Tank if you use art. Throw a gyro and sacrifice some tank if you use AC, also fit a web or tracking computer or you won't hit much. So, highs: AC and some nos mids: MWD Web 20 km Warp disrupter cap recharger/cap/tracking computer/whatever lows: gyro med repair explosive hardener 2 engergized nano's Or swap out a nano and put in a inertial stab. Good lord, 4 mid slots on a Rupture huh? I'll take 10 of those. 1x istab in the lows? Man, either armor tank or speed tank or gank , mixing it up will result in your ship going boom. I recommed the t2 rifter. It doesn't sound like you have a whole lot of skills to fly the rupture very well. A rifter is very fun, fast, and cheap. Here's the basic t1 Rupture solo fit: 4x ACs(180mms for big plate, 220mms/425mms for smaller plate) 2x Medium NOS (or HML/AMLs) MWD, 20km Scram, Web 1600mm/800mm plate, 3x hardeners, 1x damage control With an 800mm, you can throw in a medium repper.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.04.16 09:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Carbon Argon What would you guys recommend? I can fit nothing tech 2 for a rupture, but I can fit tech 2 small shield booster, 200mm auto-cannons etc if I use a rifter. So what would you recommend for pvp? a tech 2 mod fitted rifter or a tech 1 fitted rupture? Please include Rupture (tech 1) fits that are suitable in terms of outweighing the rifter if applicable. Thanks. Well for pvp if its a gang operation, I wouldn't suggest either unless you intend to be a tackling frigate. If you do then go rifter, if not then perhaps a cheaper cruiser. If your only realy new, one assumes your low on isk and can't afford a heap of losses, t2 modules aren't cheap and the value of the rifter will start to get upto the cost of the rupture. For a new character thats a heavy loss, maybe try using something cheapish like the bellicose and be a gang support with a full t1 unnamed fitting. Realy if you get called primary even in a small skirmish, no frigate or cruiser will survive. Leave the expensive ships till you can afford the loss. Ofcourse if you have just been given 200m isk from a friend, by all means go the rupture, but train a few days and go for more t2 fittings, its not all that time intesive to go for t2 setups. maybe a week to get those bits you should have. Assuming they aren't the lvl5 skill req modules. If you go then for Rupture, the AC, NOS, MWD and Ewar Rupture is a great addition to a small gang. For a basic T1 Rupture for close range tackling you could go with this, its near identical to Megan's concept except for a little fix and a tweak. Rupture AC Tackler High 4x Dual 180mm AutoCannon I 2x Medium Nosferatu I Medium 1x 10MN MicroWarpdrive I 1x Stasis Webifier I 1x Warp Disruptor I Low 1x Medium Armor Repairer I 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 2x Gyrostabilizer I Drone Bay 1x Infiltrator TD-600 Medium Tracking Disruptor Drone 4x Acolyte TD-300 Light Tracking Disruptor Drone
Carbon Argon Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.04.16 13:54:00 - [6] Edited by: Carbon Argon on 16/04/2007 13:50:52 tbh, I'm getting severely low on isk. What are the chances of 0.0 or 0.1 rats with a t1 rupture? I hear they drop good amounts of isk or isk in loot.
ReePeR McAllem The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 13:59:00 - [7] Edited by: ReePeR McAllem on 16/04/2007 13:57:17 Originally by: Carbon Argon Edited by: Carbon Argon on 16/04/2007 13:50:52 tbh, I'm getting severely low on isk. What are the chances of 0.0 or 0.1 rats with a t1 rupture? I hear they drop good amounts of isk or isk in loot. Edit: damn ****chieness! Start again: A t1 ruppie with low skills will find it difficult in 0.0 if there are BS spawns your DPS wont really be sufficent alone. Try a 0.1 or 0.2 area for solo, will get more BC's which are easier to down.
Gentle Glide	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:01:00 - [8] i have flown both a t2 rifter and a t1 rupture (and a t2 rupture) and frigates < cruisers. assault frigates have there work cut out for them against t1 cruisers and if there packing at least two nos's then there cap is done and what is an AF without cap? its a dead ship.
Carbon Argon Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:03:00 - [9] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Edited by: ReePeR McAllem on 16/04/2007 13:57:17 Originally by: Carbon Argon Edited by: Carbon Argon on 16/04/2007 13:50:52 tbh, I'm getting severely low on isk. What are the chances of 0.0 or 0.1 rats with a t1 rupture? I hear they drop good amounts of isk or isk in loot. Edit: damn ****chieness! Start again: A t1 ruppie with low skills will find it difficult in 0.0 if there are BS spawns your DPS wont really be sufficent alone. Try a 0.1 or 0.2 area for solo, will get more BC's which are easier to down. cheers for the advice, and ye - your post is blank until i hit reply and see it in the white text-box. how odd. .4 and even .3 rats dont drop terribly decent stuff, hopefully .2 or .1 will be different altogether.
Carbon Argon Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:05:00 - [10] Edited by: Carbon Argon on 16/04/2007 14:01:15 hah, theres my intro in to .2, just had to cough up 15 mill.. GREAT. Ironicly WHILE i was trying to stay above. Down to 5 mil.. yay.

Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Carbon Argon Edited by: Carbon Argon on 16/04/2007 13:50:52 tbh, I'm getting severely low on isk. What are the chances of 0.0 or 0.1 rats with a t1 rupture? I hear they drop good amounts of isk or isk in loot. Good question, I honestly have no idea how they would fare, The smallest ship I used against 1.2m BS's was a cyclone, tho I hear people kill them in assault frigates. Now if an AF can kill them, I should think the Rupture setup I gave you should work if you droped the warp scrammer and Ewar Drones then put in a Cap Recharger I and use Rat specific damage drones + ammo.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Carbon Argon Edited by: Carbon Argon on 16/04/2007 14:01:15 hah, theres my intro in to .2, just had to cough up 15 mill.. GREAT. Ironicly WHILE i was trying to stay above. Down to 5 mil.. yay. Rofl, don't tell me your not in low sec space as part of a corp? If your going there solo then you risk allot. Its dooable but ...
Carbon Argon Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Nian Banks Originally by: Carbon Argon Edited by: Carbon Argon on 16/04/2007 14:01:15 hah, theres my intro in to .2, just had to cough up 15 mill.. GREAT. Ironicly WHILE i was trying to stay above. Down to 5 mil.. yay. Rofl, don't tell me your not in low sec space as part of a corp? If your going there solo then you risk allot. Its dooable but ... Does Native freshfood count? cries
Big Sauce	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:15:00 - [14] I would say Rupture but that's one of my favorite ships.
Azaries Caldari Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:16:00 - [15] I would say Rupture but that's one of my favorite ships. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a92/fatherlywest/Chosen_Brutus.jpg
Azareis State War Academy	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:19:00 - [16] On a side note I wouldn't waste your time with a small shield booster on the Rifter.
Azaries Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:20:00 - [17] On a side note I wouldn't waste your time with a small shield booster on the Rifter.
Carbon Argon Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Azaries On a side note I wouldn't waste your time with a small shield booster on the Rifter. Why? Its saved my ass heaps of times!
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:27:00 - [19] in PvE perhaps.... N.F.F. Recruitment - Killboard Mirroring tool
Carbon Argon Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Ryysa in PvE perhaps.... Why would that change in PvP? I'm not questioning, I'm asking :)

Robke	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Carbon Argon Originally by: Ryysa in PvE perhaps.... Why would that change in PvP? I'm not questioning, I'm asking :) no cap to run it, no resistances to back it up and you miss one of the following modules: mwd, scram, web.
Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Chavu Originally by: Megan Maynard Rupture for sure. Fit Artillery if you don't have a MWD and fit Auto's if you do have a MWD. Tank if you use art. Throw a gyro and sacrifice some tank if you use AC, also fit a web or tracking computer or you won't hit much. So, highs: AC and some nos mids: MWD Web 20 km Warp disrupter cap recharger/cap/tracking computer/whatever lows: gyro med repair explosive hardener 2 engergized nano's Or swap out a nano and put in a inertial stab. Good lord, 4 mid slots on a Rupture huh? I'll take 10 of those. 1x istab in the lows? Man, either armor tank or speed tank or gank , mixing it up will result in your ship going boom. I recommed the t2 rifter. It doesn't sound like you have a whole lot of skills to fly the rupture very well. A rifter is very fun, fast, and cheap. Here's the basic t1 Rupture solo fit: 4x ACs(180mms for big plate, 220mms/425mms for smaller plate) 2x Medium NOS (or HML/AMLs) MWD, 20km Scram, Web 1600mm/800mm plate, 3x hardeners, 1x damage control With an 800mm, you can throw in a medium repper. HEHEHE, guess that wasn't clear enough, the last one was just a bunch of stuff you could also throw on there. oh well. Agreed on the rifter comment, but it's still pretty hard to kill anything too big without the double bonus assault ships give you.
Qall Rungbar Minmatar Skunk Works Corp. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:59:00 - [23] If you want to learn PvP, I'd recommend the T2 fitted Rifter, purely as it'll be cheaper than a T1 fitted Rupture. And T2 guns are the most important part - the rest can be T1/best named, and still be useful. "Gank" Rifter: 3x 150mm T2, 1x Rocket Launcher MWD, Web, Scram 200mm plate, Small Armour Rep, Gyro. You can rat in 0.0 in a Rupture, but as mentioned, you won't do the DPS to kill the big rats.


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