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slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.16 14:55:00 - [31] at least you have a chance with wcs, remove wcs youll gwet more log offs for sure.
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Bands Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:04:00 - [32] it's totally possible to kill a ship without getting a tackle on it. A nice bit of bumping and smart use of a web can prevent them entering warp. Although people want to nurf bumping, which would render 0.0 almost completely riskless to those who don't want to die and fit a whole load of WCS, a shield tank, and an mwd aslong as they don't run into an insta popping fleet. ------------------------------------- if i'm not posting about tactics or lag, don't take my posts seriously!
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:06:00 - [33] The privateers go to 0.0?
Mr Mozzie Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Flaming sambuka I know stabs have been nerfed pretty harsh but tbh every farmer and his dog is fitting one and it frustrates the hell outta me. fit 2 or 3 scrams. If someone has filed their lowslots with wcs they are at a huge disadvantage. Using up a few of your slots won't change that.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:16:00 - [35] 1. Get ship with lots of mid slots 2. Fit 4 webs and X sensor boosters 3. Fill lowslots with sensor augmentations 4. Wait for dude 5. Profit! 4 webs will make any ship larger than an inty take several minutes to align. If you and a gank squad can't all get enough points on him or pound him to death in that time, then you should just die. <sig> IBTL! IBDS! IBTC! 1st in a BoB Post! And other such forum tom-foolery. Join my Corporation!
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Bands Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:17:00 - [36] lol smackalishess. people use WCS in empire too :p i'm a 0.0 vet, but i don't play enough now to want to keep all of my stuff in a conq stations incase i come back on one day to find myself with stuck in a station unable to escape with my 5 battleships and numerous other ships. So i'm retiring to empire. as for some examples of killing people who i'm unable to scramble because i only have 1 point: i've bumped numerous haulers away from gates as they just warp in and then kill them by rebumping and webbing to reduce their rate of reallignment. and me and bold (it was mostly bold) killed a raven that had 5 WCS fitted and was perfectly tanked against kinetic/thermal (our only damage types except for 5 explosive drones, but explosive resistance isn't too weak with shields by default) PS - bumping people into asteroids = win ------------------------------------- if i'm not posting about tactics or lag, don't take my posts seriously!
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:22:00 - [37] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 16/04/2007 15:22:42 Wt,,,,,f? No, seriously,, wtf? You want to nerf WCS more? Y'know, that's like digging up grandma's bones and,, well,, yeah,, Before the WCS nerf, I used to fit two stabs in missions, and completely stab-out my indies. The nerf made it completely useless to fit them for mish, but i didn't care so much, I did what everyone should do and adapt. But I still fit stabs to my indies, and why? because it's a non-combat ship. The warp core stab nerf already takes you out of any PvP, which I appreciate is a good thing,, fit to fight not run away. But when I'm in my indy I fit to run away (pretty damn obvious I would've thought) Oh god, whats that? You need more than one tackler to take em down? Heaven forbid, because a T1 indy is so hard to take down if while it's aligning for warp??? wtf are you smoking? If you cant instapop one of those with two BS you dont deserve to call yourself a pirate. Now, as for transport ships, I bloody well hope that my T2 transport which cost me over twice the cost of an intie can shrug off a tackler or two. One transport is designed for quick alignment with the +2 warp bonus, while the other is either A) a heavy lifter requiring escorts or B) An armoured, EW protected beast. A small gate gang (2-3) should be avoidable by kitting out a T1 indy correctly. A gang of 5-7 should be avoidable by a properly kitted transport ship. If you're in a gang of 5+ and dont have at least two tacklers you need to get a freaking clue, because outrunning and fighting off gatecamps is a helluva lot trickier than clicking 'orbit 500m, warp scramble' against a defenseless ship. As for "yeah get rid of stabs, once bumping is nerfed (which i think would be a stupid nerf anyway) 0.0 will be completely safe",, I take it you've never heard of a warp disruption bubble? Y'know, next suggestion I'm waiting for is a module which jettisons your targets cargo so you can scoop and let them go home in their indy to hasten their next trip into low sec.
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 16/04/2007 15:22:42 Wt,,,,,f? No, seriously,, wtf? You want to nerf WCS more? Y'know, that's like digging up grandma's bones and,, well,, yeah,, Before the WCS nerf, I used to fit two stabs in missions, and completely stab-out my indies. The nerf made it completely useless to fit them for mish, but i didn't care so much, I did what everyone should do and adapt. But I still fit stabs to my indies, and why? because it's a non-combat ship. The warp core stab nerf already takes you out of any PvP, which I appreciate is a good thing,, fit to fight not run away. But when I'm in my indy I fit to run away (pretty damn obvious I would've thought) Oh god, whats that? You need more than one tackler to take em down? Heaven forbid, because a T1 indy is so hard to take down if while it's aligning for warp??? wtf are you smoking? If you cant instapop one of those with two BS you dont deserve to call yourself a pirate. Now, as for transport ships, I bloody well hope that my T2 transport which cost me over twice the cost of an intie can shrug off a tackler or two. One transport is designed for quick alignment with the +2 warp bonus, while the other is either A) a heavy lifter requiring escorts or B) An armoured, EW protected beast. A small gate gang (2-3) should be avoidable by kitting out a T1 indy correctly. A gang of 5-7 should be avoidable by a properly kitted transport ship. If you're in a gang of 5+ and dont have at least two tacklers you need to get a freaking clue, because outrunning and fighting off gatecamps is a helluva lot trickier than clicking 'orbit 500m, warp scramble' against a defenseless ship. As for "yeah get rid of stabs, once bumping is nerfed (which i think would be a stupid nerf anyway) 0.0 will be completely safe",, I take it you've never heard of a warp disruption bubble? Y'know, next suggestion I'm waiting for is a module which jettisons your targets cargo so you can scoop and let them go home in their indy to hasten their next trip into low sec. Like dude... chill out before you go spork someone
rig0r Arcane Industries	Posted - 2007.04.16 16:37:00 - [39] Edited by: rig0r on 16/04/2007 16:35:11 Originally by: Flaming sambuka Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 16/04/2007 15:22:42 text Like dude... chill out before you go spork someone He has a point though. You sound like a lazy gatecamper. Put some more effort in it.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.16 16:53:00 - [40] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/04/2007 16:50:46 Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/04/2007 16:50:24 Originally by: Tarminic 1. Get ship with lots of mid slots 2. Fit 4 webs and X sensor boosters 3. Fill lowslots with sensor augmentations 4. Wait for dude 5. Profit! 4 webs will make any ship larger than an inty take several minutes to align. If you and a gank squad can't all get enough points on him or pound him to death in that time, then you should just die. Sure about the webbers ? Ok, might work, if the ship isn't already aligned into the right direction, because then turning speed can become quite low, if your actual speed is above max-speed ( same can be experienced, if you are full-speed aligned into the wrong direction with AB/mwd and turn it of. Then alignment is really slow ) But otherwise webber on target that's moving into the right direction = insta-warp. Last time I made a mistake with my viator and cloaked accidently, when I tried to run from a hostile gang. They managed to decloak me with drones, but I got the webbers of a hostile huggin or rapier on me. I was very thankful for the insta-warp. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.16 17:02:00 - [41] I remember you. How about this: Instead of whining for a nerf because you can't kill helpless people, come fight me. :) I won't run away.
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.16 17:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Curzon Dax I remember you. How about this: Instead of whining for a nerf because you can't kill helpless people, come fight me. :) I won't run away. Would that make your already huge e-peen bigger?
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.16 17:14:00 - [43] Aww boohoo, did one of INFOD's precious targets get away? Seriously, man, I'm a pirate and I hate WCS as much as the next guy, but the point of having them is so that you don't have to train up T2 haulers to come into lowsec, and you can get away with a fat ship if there's a gate camp. Today I flew a Prophecy back to base with 6 stabs on it. Why? Because I had no reason to fit anything else, I was bringing it ratting somewhere other than where I bought it. What do you expect me to do, hope that there's no camp anywhere on the route I'm taking? Fact of the matter is your gank fleet missed a ship because it was stabbed up and now you're ***ing about it. Honestly, you're supposed to be a ***** pirate. Adapt or die is what we do, it's what makes us different than carebears who whine for change. WCS is nerfed enough as it is. Please don't try to tell me that you can't get 4 or more tacklers from your entire bloody corp, considering you've often got 20 or so sitting on a gate, all in BS and BC. Find a solution and stop complaining. -----
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.16 17:21:00 - [44] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/04/2007 17:17:53 Nanophoon was the answer to stabs. Funny if you bump-kill a raven, look at the mail and see that he had two stabs and you only one scrambler point. I remember also someone saying, he killed a full stabbed dominix that way. Really makes you giggle, or better me. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.16 17:23:00 - [45] Why does everybody assume that we lost a ship at a gate camp or that i dont know how to remote sensor boost a sensor boosted inty... Where did i say any of that, idiots.
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.16 17:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Flaming sambuka Why does everybody assume that we lost a ship at a gate camp or that i dont know how to remote sensor boost a sensor boosted inty... Where did i say any of that, idiots. We inferred it for your own sake, you're *****ing about stabs, at least if you had lost a ship at a gate you'd have a REASON to sound like an absolute carebear-of-a-pirate. But if you're saying you didn't, then what does that say about you? And that begs the question why do you care about stabs? -----
Nymos Haiduken Industries	Posted - 2007.04.16 17:29:00 - [47] you mean ships should auto self destruct if you are in local? might as well ask for that -- Every time a carebear dies an angel gets their wings (murder one)
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.16 17:32:00 - [48] Have you even read the OP, i didnt ask for anyone's advice nor do i need any and dont need words put in my mouth. "EvE has no use for stabs. There are T2 haulers with +2 built in that with mod's can haul a heck of a lot. Freighters Haul anything you want, they are obviously designed to be escorted if your travelling through hostile territoy. If you cant afford or use a T2 hauler then you shouldnt be in low-sec or .0, and if your in an obelisk travelling through without an escort or atleast a scout then you need to get a check-up." This is the topic... not 'how do i catch someone with stabs on' or 'omg i lost a target' It says in short: Stabs have no use because there are ships proviced to haul for you, you can either train and buy one your self or you could hire one or now you can even use contracts. If you dont like what i have to say and you must reply then dont flame, give me and argument related to the content i posted and dont go off topic
Hannobaal Gallente Utopian Frontier	Posted - 2007.04.16 17:36:00 - [49] They've already been nerfed. As it stands now, ships that want to fight can't fit them because it is like having someone permanently sensor dampening you. Ships that don't want to fight should have a way of getting away with more ease than a combat fitted ship. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.16 18:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Flaming sambuka Have you even read the OP, i didnt ask for anyone's advice nor do i need any and dont need words put in my mouth. "EvE has no use for stabs. There are T2 haulers with +2 built in that with mod's can haul a heck of a lot. Freighters Haul anything you want, they are obviously designed to be escorted if your travelling through hostile territoy. If you cant afford or use a T2 hauler then you shouldnt be in low-sec or .0, and if your in an obelisk travelling through without an escort or atleast a scout then you need to get a check-up." This is the topic... not 'how do i catch someone with stabs on' or 'omg i lost a target' It says in short: Stabs have no use because there are ships proviced to haul for you, you can either train and buy one your self or you could hire one or now you can even use contracts. If you dont like what i have to say and you must reply then dont flame, give me and argument related to the content i posted and dont go off topic If you're going to demand I read the OP you might as well repost the whole thing and not the part you think I should address. Quote: Everyone has there own nerf thread and i dont, well not anymore! I understand that with your insecurities you may feel the need to brush this off as just playing along with the crowd, but let's face it, you're clearly upset. "No I'm not" you say? Then explain this: Quote: I know stabs have been nerfed pretty harsh but tbh every farmer and his dog is fitting one and it frustrates the hell outta me. Right here you've stated that you're upset, maybe not from something that just happened but clearly you tell us that you are bothered by this. Quote: EvE has no use for stabs. There are T2 haulers with +2 built in that with mod's can haul a heck of a lot. And we can all afford to train for one or hire one whenever we need something moved, which as a pirate you ought to know can be quite often. Quote: Freighters Haul anything you want, they are obviously designed to be escorted if your travelling through hostile territoy. Yeah I've got a personal freighter pilot who awaits phone calls from me. Again, we can't all call up a freighter with the snap of a finger, and sometimes we need to move a big ship and move it NOW. So this isn't always an option. Quote: If you cant afford or use a T2 hauler then you shouldnt be in low-sec or .0, I see you support WoW-style grinding then? If you can't deal with your angst about stabs then perhaps you shouldn't be in lowsec trying to kill people who might have them. Quote: and if your in an obelisk travelling through without an escort or atleast a scout then you need to get a check-up. This I agree with. Quote: Puts on golden suit from sunshine film I don't know what you're referring to but this looks to me like you were fully expecting flames, and consequently you only prove someone's point by reacting so righteously when he calls you an idiot. You want an argument? Alright, here you go: People should not have to train T2 or grind for millions of isk before moving to low sec. What you are saying encourages even more people to live in high sec and consequently means less targets for you anyway. Warp core stabs, as you said, have already had their nerf. It was quite enough, they have a purpose to fulfill in the game that should not be replaced exclusively by later-game features. They are meant for people to be able to escape from being warp scrambled, they already gimp a setup for anything except travel. There is no reason to nerf them anymore or remove them except for pirates who would have an easier time without them. Now go back to your gate camp they'll need your extra 400 dps of firepower to kill the frigate that's coming through. -----
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.16 18:38:00 - [51] Quote: Right here you've stated that you're upset, maybe not from something that just happened but clearly you tell us that you are bothered by this. Alright Mr psychologist, were did i say i was upset? Im bothered by it a bit but not upset, i just felt the need to discuss the current state of WCS even if they have had a nerf already. Quote: And we can all afford to train for one or hire one whenever we need something moved, which as a pirate you ought to know can be quite often. Well you know, set up a courier contract for just a few mill and theres always someone that deliveres it, some make there isk this way, for cheap. You can fit alot of mods in a frigate with a couple expanded cargo holds, more than enough to fit a few battleships. Quote: Yeah I've got a personal freighter pilot who awaits phone calls from me. Again, we can't all call up a freighter with the snap of a finger, and sometimes we need to move a big ship and move it NOW. So this isn't always an option If a ship is required for back-up so urgently and you need to fit stabs to assist then your not gonna make it anyway. You would have to un-fit, travel, fit, undock... Com'on. Your gang mate doesnt ask you to help him out when your 20 jumps away. Quote: I see you support WoW-style grinding then? If you can't deal with your angst about stabs then perhaps you shouldn't be in lowsec trying to kill people who might have them. Who said i support WoW, who said i cant deal with it. Quote: I don't know what you're referring to but this looks to me like you were fully expecting flames, and consequently you only prove someone's point by reacting so righteously when he calls you an idiot. Ofcourse i was expecting flames, debating WCS (or ANY change) is always a hot topic.
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.16 18:52:00 - [52] Originally by: Flaming sambuka Alright Mr psychologist, were did i say i was upset? "it frustrates the hell outta me." <--Right there. Quote: Im bothered by it a bit but not upset, i just felt the need to discuss the current state of WCS even if they have had a nerf already. Yes, clearly you were quite neutral and didn't express the idea that perhaps you were frustrated or anything. Quote: Quote: And we can all afford to train for one or hire one whenever we need something moved, which as a pirate you ought to know can be quite often. Well you know, set up a courier contract for just a few mill and theres always someone that deliveres it, some make there isk this way, for cheap. You can fit alot of mods in a frigate with a couple expanded cargo holds, more than enough to fit a few battleships. See speed issue addressed below. Quote: Quote: Yeah I've got a personal freighter pilot who awaits phone calls from me. Again, we can't all call up a freighter with the snap of a finger, and sometimes we need to move a big ship and move it NOW. So this isn't always an option If a ship is required for back-up so urgently and you need to fit stabs to assist then your not gonna make it anyway. You would have to un-fit, travel, fit, undock... Com'on. Your gang mate doesnt ask you to help him out when your 20 jumps away. Not what I was talking about. I had to bring that prophecy to where I wanted it right away in order to accomplish what I wanted to do, that being earning some isk by ratting instead of fruitlessly pirating just after downtime. If I had set up a courier contract it could have taken a lot more time than it did, days or even a couple weeks perhaps (or it would just expire). So I had the choice to either go get it myself and start off what I was doing or pay someone else to bring it at their leisure. Quote: Quote: I see you support WoW-style grinding then? If you can't deal with your angst about stabs then perhaps you shouldn't be in lowsec trying to kill people who might have them. Who said i support WoW, who said i cant deal with it. Why would you make a post about how WCS need to be nerfed or, better yet removed, if you could deal with it? I don't honestly believe you thought to yourself "I think it'd be nice to have a discourse with my fellow community members about the ramifications of warp core stabilizers." I believe that you are bothered enough that you wanted to vent/push for change/get attention on the forum about your issue with WCS. And if you think people should have to grind up for isk to afford a personal low-sec freighter service, or train up to do it themselves, that is supporting WoW-style grinding right there. Force them to push their way to the "top gear" level of play because if they don't they have to play missions in high sec? Tell me how that is Eve at all. Quote: Quote: I don't know what you're referring to but this looks to me like you were fully expecting flames, and consequently you only prove someone's point by reacting so righteously when he calls you an idiot. Ofcourse i was expecting flames, debating WCS (or ANY change) is always a hot topic. Then I must ask my implied question, why would you post something expecting flames and then tell people that flaming was unnecessary as if you didn't expect it? If you post flamebait, don't be or pretend to be offended when you catch. And what was that a reference to anyway? -----
Dimitrios Ypsilanti	Posted - 2007.04.16 20:27:00 - [53] Originally by: Flaming sambuka EvE has no use for stabs (and other ramblings). Pfft. You win. We'll all just float up to you and self destruct. Does that solve your problem?
Dimitrios Ypsilanti	Posted - 2007.04.16 20:27:00 - [54] Originally by: Flaming sambuka EvE has no use for stabs (and other ramblings). Pfft. You win. We'll all just float up to you and self destruct. Does that solve your problem?
William Hamilton	Posted - 2007.04.16 21:01:00 - [55] dual 7.5k scrams ftw!
JForce Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 21:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Flaming sambuka Everyone has there own nerf thread and i dont, well not anymore! EvE has no use for stabs. There are T2 haulers with +2 built in Since when do Transports have built-in WCS? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.16 23:38:00 - [57] Originally by: JForce Originally by: Flaming sambuka Everyone has there own nerf thread and i dont, well not anymore! EvE has no use for stabs. There are T2 haulers with +2 built in Since when do Transports have built-in WCS? They do...at least one of them in each race does, I think. -----
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.04.16 23:40:00 - [58] NECROOOOO _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.16 23:44:00 - [59] Originally by: madaluap NECROOOOO Yeah, two hour necro. You're hilarious, go show the noobs in 1.0 your amazing humor before I decide to send you there in a clone. Or have you left yet? -----
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.17 00:17:00 - [60] Tbh, this post belongs up with the "blah,blah,let us use dictors in LowSec" thread.

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