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Dalanoria Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:23:00 - [1] Amarr dont get a astrometric frig...Infact, amarr have no frig that can fit a probe launcher cheaply, not enough cpu.
Kee Fox Kiwi Knights	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:29:00 - [2] Normally I would totally agree with you, that this lack of symmetry is totally worthless. The only thing is, it only takes a few minutes and a couple of thousand ISK to train and buy any of the other race's astrometric frigates, so it doesn't seem a lot to complain about.
Dalanoria Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Kee Fox Normally I would totally agree with you, that this lack of symmetry is totally worthless. The only thing is, it only takes a few minutes and a couple of thousand ISK to train and buy any of the other race's astrometric frigates, so it doesn't seem a lot to complain about. You totaly missed the point. Lets say EVE was RL, your telling me amarr are the supposed dominate race and they dont have a astrometric frig? Ofcourse I have the other races frigs to atleast IV, but it doesnt change the fact that im having to fly caldari or gal because I have no choice..
Ortu Konsinni KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:37:00 - [4] More simply put, the Amarr just have one less frigate than the other races. I dunno why. --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:37:00 - [5] Amarr are the dominant race? --------------------------------------------------------------------
Ortu Konsinni KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:39:00 - [6] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? I think so, in terms of sovereignty area? --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
Jayne Tamm	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:48:00 - [7] yeah..amar are supposedly the oldest and largest of the playable races in EVE...who'd of thunk it!
Erim Solfara Amarr Tarlos INC	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:36:00 - [8] The link in my sig is to a thread I put up a while back talking about the missing frigate, and then a potential use for the T2 varient(s). Dunno if you're interested, and sorry for the plug. I want the astrometics frig too : ( New ship class
VanNostrum	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:47:00 - [9] and Amarr were the first to go into space and find a jumpgate, pure luck it seems
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.18 00:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Dalanoria Amarr dont get a astrometric frig...Infact, amarr have no frig that can fit a probe launcher cheaply, not enough cpu. Erm, what exactly are you after? The astrometrics frigates you talk of have the awesome bonus of (at max level) 25% reduction in the time it takes to read out a probe you have launched, yes? Never used a probe myself, but that's what I read the bonus as. These ships are the Gallente Imicus, the Minmatar Probe and the Caldari Heron. None of these get a bonus to fitting probe launchers onto them. A probe launcher (both variants) takes 220 CPU to fit; the Imicus has 230 base, the Probe 220 base, and the Heron 250 base (the normal trend for Caldari ships to have the most CPU of all factions). So in any case, you are not fitting much more on that ship except the probe launcher and some rudimentary gear. I would like you to take a look at the Amarr Crucifier. It has 215 base CPU, only 5 less than the Minmatar astrometrics frigate (but consistent with the trend that Amarr ships have the least CPU of all four factions). With only a single level in Electronics, that already makes a probe launcher fit. Sure, the Crucifier has no astrometrics bonus per se, and will read out probes a bit slower than its counterparts... but the point is, Amarr have very well a frigate that is able to fit a probe launcher as well as other races do. Now, the fact that Amarr have one frigate choice less than other races is indeed true, and I wouldn't mind them getting something to fill the slot.
Tolomea Gallente 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.04.18 05:37:00 - [11] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? Yup, but no worries as soon as fational warefare gets here we'll put an abrupt end to that. Everything with an Amarr flag will get stomped out in the first week, then it'll be time to get started on the serious Gal vs Cald war. Pay back time is comming and I'm having sweet dreams of massed Raven wrecks. :P
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Tolomea Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? Yup, but no worries as soon as fational warefare gets here we'll put an abrupt end to that. Everything with an Amarr flag will get stomped out in the first week, then it'll be time to get started on the serious Gal vs Cald war. Pay back time is comming and I'm having sweet dreams of massed Raven wrecks. :P Hrm and aren't the Minmatar aligned with the Gallente? So that would mean the Ammarians will be wiped out and the Minmatar Gallente Alliance will wipe out the Caldari after that. Then you have Minmatar V's Gallente and its blaster/drones v's Projectile/Drones/Missiles. And we all know that high speed minnies take out drones. Hrm... Could be interesting. Oh and erm how about we just copy & paste the probe, change its skill to ammarian and call it the "Yawn!"
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries Pure.	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:08:00 - [13] Edited by: Synapse Archae on 18/04/2007 06:04:48 Originally by: Dalanoria Lets say EVE was RL, I stopped reading here. Also does anathema count because I always have a probe launcher on mine. - - - These elite slaves are exceptionally well suited for physical labor.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Tolomea Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? Yup, but no worries as soon as fational warefare gets here we'll put an abrupt end to that. Everything with an Amarr flag will get stomped out in the first week, then it'll be time to get started on the serious Gal vs Cald war. Pay back time is comming and I'm having sweet dreams of massed Raven wrecks. :P We shall provail every day against you slaves and peagans!We,allied with the caldari and our mighty emperor shall cleanse this galaxy of you heretics for we are the master race!For we are the chosen ones!!FOR WE ARE AMARR!!!! And yeah...We could use that frig for when we want to find those gellente in hiding __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Sucram North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Synapse Archae Edited by: Synapse Archae on 18/04/2007 06:04:48 Originally by: Dalanoria Lets say EVE was RL, I stopped reading here. Also does anathema count because I always have a probe launcher on mine. I think the poster meant T1 frigs and the anathema is T2.
Horus Dark	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:48:00 - [16] find gallentre hiding? If your alone...and not in a curse and you see a gallentre ship ...run. appart from the curse their aint a amarr ship that doesnt have a gallentre counterpart that can do it better.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:24:00 - [17] With current state of amarr ships, I wonder if amarr will soon have refugees in torrinos. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
VanNostrum	Posted - 2007.04.18 12:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Nian Banks Originally by: Tolomea Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? Yup, but no worries as soon as fational warefare gets here we'll put an abrupt end to that. Everything with an Amarr flag will get stomped out in the first week, then it'll be time to get started on the serious Gal vs Cald war. Pay back time is comming and I'm having sweet dreams of massed Raven wrecks. :P Hrm and aren't the Minmatar aligned with the Gallente? So that would mean the Ammarians will be wiped out and the Minmatar Gallente Alliance will wipe out the Caldari after that. Then you have Minmatar V's Gallente and its blaster/drones v's Projectile/Drones/Missiles. And we all know that high speed minnies take out drones. Hrm... Could be interesting. Oh and erm how about we just copy & paste the probe, change its skill to ammarian and call it the "Yawn!" Sure amarr is no match for gallente, but caldari would be a nice counter to minmatar imo. If Khanid ships get improved they would also counter minmatar ships.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:52:00 - [19] Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: Nian Banks Originally by: Tolomea Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? Yup, but no worries as soon as fational warefare gets here we'll put an abrupt end to that. Everything with an Amarr flag will get stomped out in the first week, then it'll be time to get started on the serious Gal vs Cald war. Pay back time is comming and I'm having sweet dreams of massed Raven wrecks. :P Hrm and aren't the Minmatar aligned with the Gallente? So that would mean the Ammarians will be wiped out and the Minmatar Gallente Alliance will wipe out the Caldari after that. Then you have Minmatar V's Gallente and its blaster/drones v's Projectile/Drones/Missiles. And we all know that high speed minnies take out drones. Hrm... Could be interesting. Oh and erm how about we just copy & paste the probe, change its skill to ammarian and call it the "Yawn!" Sure amarr is no match for gallente, but caldari would be a nice counter to minmatar imo. If Khanid ships get improved they would also counter minmatar ships. Ahh but what is the counter to a mixed Gallente / Minmatar fleet? Counter that you Caldari born of guttersnipe trash. Oh and what the heck give the Ammarians their frigate, its not like anyone would want to use it anyway. :) Even if they did, we all know its only speciality would be to make a nice pop when it explodes under projectile fire.
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Tolomea Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? Yup, but no worries as soon as fational warefare gets here we'll put an abrupt end to that. Everything with an Amarr flag will get stomped out in the first week, then it'll be time to get started on the serious Gal vs Cald war. Pay back time is comming and I'm having sweet dreams of massed Raven wrecks. :P pfft, wont you galls be too busy chasing your stolen super cap ships to you nkow, actually fight? assuming you can get into range and have your dornes actually do as they are told
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:06:00 - [21] So true, boost gallente!11!1! _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
VanNostrum	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Nian Banks Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: Nian Banks Originally by: Tolomea Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? Yup, but no worries as soon as fational warefare gets here we'll put an abrupt end to that. Everything with an Amarr flag will get stomped out in the first week, then it'll be time to get started on the serious Gal vs Cald war. Pay back time is comming and I'm having sweet dreams of massed Raven wrecks. :P Hrm and aren't the Minmatar aligned with the Gallente? So that would mean the Ammarians will be wiped out and the Minmatar Gallente Alliance will wipe out the Caldari after that. Then you have Minmatar V's Gallente and its blaster/drones v's Projectile/Drones/Missiles. And we all know that high speed minnies take out drones. Hrm... Could be interesting. Oh and erm how about we just copy & paste the probe, change its skill to ammarian and call it the "Yawn!" Sure amarr is no match for gallente, but caldari would be a nice counter to minmatar imo. If Khanid ships get improved they would also counter minmatar ships. Ahh but what is the counter to a mixed Gallente / Minmatar fleet? Counter that you Caldari born of guttersnipe trash. Oh and what the heck give the Ammarians their frigate, its not like anyone would want to use it anyway. :) Even if they did, we all know its only speciality would be to make a nice pop when it explodes under projectile fire. Caldari missiles will blot out the sun! errr..i mean the star!
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Dalanoria Amarr dont get a astrometric frig...Infact, amarr have no frig that can fit a probe launcher cheaply, not enough cpu. Call me narrow-minded...but as all 4 races also the Amarr have one dedicated astrometric frig: The Anathema The cheapest CO-Frig on the market... And...on top of it: Enough CPU to fit easily a probe launcher... -- Might As well Train Another Race
El'essar Viocragh	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Ishina Fel Originally by: Dalanoria Amarr dont get a astrometric frig...Infact, amarr have no frig that can fit a probe launcher cheaply, not enough cpu. Erm, what exactly are you after? The astrometrics frigates you talk of have the awesome bonus of (at max level) 25% reduction in the time it takes to read out a probe you have launched, yes? Never used a probe myself, but that's what I read the bonus as. These ships are the Gallente Imicus, the Minmatar Probe and the Caldari Heron. [...] I would like you to take a look at the Amarr Crucifier. It has 215 base CPU, only 5 less than the Minmatar astrometrics frigate (but consistent with the trend that Amarr ships have the least CPU of all four factions). With only a single level in Electronics, that already makes a probe launcher fit. Sure, the Crucifier has no astrometrics bonus per se, and will read out probes a bit slower than its counterparts... but the point is, Amarr have very well a frigate that is able to fit a probe launcher as well as other races do. The thing is, with that bonus, you can start some small scale exploration very easily. Without a frig with that bonus, you need to skill the rank 8 skill Signal Aquisition before you can even bother to start. Multispectral frequency probes (the one that tells you if the system has an exploration site or nt) only live 600 seconds, a scan without bonus (scan probe launcher) takes 600 seconds, and you can't start the scan for 15 seconds (launcher RoF) - your probe dies before the scan finishes. The 0.5au sift probes only live 500 seconds, and finding a lot of sites without them is near impossible. With racial frig 4 and astrometrics 4 every other race can do some small scale exploration. Results won't be pretty, but if one chooses to do so, one can. Amarr either need to train a different frig skill or wait till they fly covops. No really pressing issues with the recon probes, their lifetime is fine. It just takes a while longer.
William Hamilton	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:18:00 - [25] Edited by: William Hamilton on 18/04/2007 20:15:41 Originally by: Tolomea Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? Yup, but no worries as soon as fational warefare gets here we'll put an abrupt end to that. Everything with an Amarr flag will get stomped out in the first week, then it'll be time to get started on the serious Gal vs Cald war. Pay back time is comming and I'm having sweet dreams of massed Raven wrecks. :P Payback? for what? And on the same subject, caldari and minmatar haven't had mtoo much contact with eachother. They aren't direct enemies at all, it's just that their friends enemy is thier friend. (or their enemies friend is their enemy)
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.04.19 18:26:00 - [26] Originally by: William Hamilton Edited by: William Hamilton on 18/04/2007 20:15:41 Originally by: Tolomea Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? Yup, but no worries as soon as fational warefare gets here we'll put an abrupt end to that. Everything with an Amarr flag will get stomped out in the first week, then it'll be time to get started on the serious Gal vs Cald war. Pay back time is comming and I'm having sweet dreams of massed Raven wrecks. :P Payback? for what? And on the same subject, caldari and minmatar haven't had mtoo much contact with eachother. They aren't direct enemies at all, it's just that their friends enemy is thier friend. (or their enemies friend is their enemy) Well we Matari are indebted to the Gallente so if we can help remove a thorn from their side (pun intended) We will damned well do our best to do so. Also as the Caldari are friends of our inbread, festering, decrepit, religiously fanatical enemy the Ammarian. We Minmatar will take pleasure in displaying their entrails on a platter for the Gallente. "I confess I look forward to the day when we have cleansed the universe of the Amarr and carved their bones into little flutes for Matari children."
VanNostrum	Posted - 2007.04.19 19:09:00 - [27] Time will show that Khanid ships improved with Caldari technology will own, just you wait for the Amarr boost.
Tolomea Gallente 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.04.20 01:24:00 - [28] Originally by: William Hamilton Edited by: William Hamilton on 18/04/2007 20:15:41 Originally by: Tolomea Originally by: ReaperOfSly Amarr are the dominant race? Yup, but no worries as soon as fational warefare gets here we'll put an abrupt end to that. Everything with an Amarr flag will get stomped out in the first week, then it'll be time to get started on the serious Gal vs Cald war. Pay back time is comming and I'm having sweet dreams of massed Raven wrecks. :P Payback? for what? Well for starters that whole war of Caldari independence thing, But mostly for making a butt ugly flying crate the most common BS in the galaxy.
Tolomea Gallente 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.04.20 01:28:00 - [29] We are kind of getting way of topic, but my view of factional warefare is quite simple. As an individual/corp/alliance you declare alligence to a faction. In exchange for being allied with them you get a big boost from thier people, so maybe half all taxes and double mission pay (just pay, not bounties). The down side of this is that you are now a free target anywere for anyone allied to an opposing faction. This should produce empire warefare on a scale that makes privs look tame, but on a strictly opt in basis.
Lord DarkStar Gallente Mobile Alcohol Processing Units	Posted - 2007.04.20 16:43:00 - [30] if that is faction warfare im gona have fun :P force recon FTW!

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