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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2007.04.17 16:21:00 -
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29-second sample of a 1080p Blu-Ray video (right click, save as).
The good news: the entire movie is only 3.7GB or so if encoded in near-HD-DVD-quality H.264.
The bad news: you need an absolutely state-of-the-art machine to even consider playing it back without stuttering 
That's why my sample is encoded in WMV9 by the way...
Either way, 1080p is amazing and made of win.
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.17 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Vari on 17/04/2007 17:06:57
Your school's not gunna like your bandwidth usage.
For those of us with older computers, there's a H.264 decoder called CoreAVC that's fast and quality. The pro version uses both the CPU and graphics card to spit out the video. On a AMD Barton 2500+ I can play 1080p H.264's just fine. I say my shortlist of material worth the HD (and money) is Matrix 1, Pulp Fiction, GITS2, Karas and Casshern. Of course the latter two aren't out yet, but I'll be getting them when they are.
Smoke looks good, skin is riddled with textures. The video is sharp. 1080p is the future. Buy a $2000 tv today!
HD movies are nearly at the limits of 35mm film. You will be seeing grain
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2007.04.17 19:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Vari
Your school's not gunna like your bandwidth usage.
They have a nearly-unused dedicated DS3. They don't care unless I spam their logs, which is why they made me move my sigs
Originally by: Vari
For those of us with older computers, there's a H.264 decoder called CoreAVC that's fast and quality. The pro version uses both the CPU and graphics card to spit out the video. On a AMD Barton 2500+ I can play 1080p H.264's just fine. I say my shortlist of material worth the HD (and money) is Matrix 1, Pulp Fiction, GITS2, Karas and Casshern. Of course the latter two aren't out yet, but I'll be getting them when they are.
CoreAVC is great, and is in my upcoming Video Decoding guide, but it does not use the GPU. That is an upcoming feature which is planned, but does not even have a date yet.
It gets its performance by sacrificing accuracy; it is not output-equivalent to the reference decoder, and so is not technically a valid H.264 decoder, but it is very good nonetheless. I cannot watch the video I mentioned in the original post without CoreAVC.
Originally by: Vari
Smoke looks good, skin is riddled with textures. The video is sharp. 1080p is the future. Buy a $2000 tv today!
Or a 200 dollar monitor ;)
Originally by: Vari
HD movies are nearly at the limits of 35mm film. You will be seeing grain
In my experience most of the grain is from the crappy encoding. Apparently all the new Blu-Ray discs are using MPEG-2 video encoding to start, even though the standard supports VC-1 (WMV9) and H.264. I heard its because Sony hasn't provided them with anything else yet. MPEG-2 is a very noisy codec, which is responsible for that.
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Matsuo Masato
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Posted - 2007.04.17 19:31:00 -
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It didn't look THAT amazing too me... but maybe that's because of my crappy screen...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2007.04.17 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/04/2007 19:38:55
Originally by: Matsuo Masato
It didn't look THAT amazing too me... but maybe that's because of my crappy screen...
Its also not directly encoded from the Blu-Ray disc, so there's a bit of transcoding lossiness. And as I said before, they're using MPEG-2 on the discs (extraordinarily stupid) so its not as good as it could be.
To really enjoy it at full quality you have to have at least a 1900 or so horizontal resolution on your screen 
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Posted - 2007.04.17 19:52:00 -
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Thats looks insane.... wished everything looked that good!
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Posted - 2007.04.18 01:34:00 -
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Looked pretty sweet to me. I need to get a new screen as well. I have a sweet 8800GTS and a 5-6 year old LCD monitor.
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SI RedLeg
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.18 01:44:00 -
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What is the movie? The short clip does not give much away....Cool animation though
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Dalanoria
Team Americas
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.18 01:45:00 -
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yah it looked amazing to me.....You can cheat and play this at a slower speed, you will only notice the sound slow down, not the video...
Seriously, I wish I was my own grandchild that way i could live to CRAP my pants at what we can expect in the next 50 yrs and not yawn while remenising about how Back To The Future was THE BESTEST movie ever...
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Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.18 02:01:00 -
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To be honest.. I don't see the point.
But that's just me, sorry.
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.18 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
To be honest.. I don't see the point.
But that's just me, sorry.
In short, the 35mm gives a lot of detail that DVDs cannot capture. You miss emotional nuances, tons and tons of detail in the movie set (you can clearly see a styrofoam texture on 'marble' in the lobby scene of Matrix 1) and many things that movie directors put in their movies for the big-screen format.
Not all movies benefit from the HD formats, but some definitely do. It's like spending a day with your glasses off.
Originally by: SI RedLeg
What is the movie? The short clip does not give much away....Cool animation though
It's Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence. The backdrops in that movie are amazing.
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Serathu
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Posted - 2007.04.18 03:54:00 -
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*huggles his 1080p TV*
Now if only I could afford a player and all the films I liked were cheap and on the same format 
Still, exciting stuff.
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Kaemonn
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Posted - 2007.04.18 04:03:00 -
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Oh thats pretty. The best part is my computer played it back flawlessly
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SI RedLeg
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Posted - 2007.04.18 04:18:00 -
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Check out in slow mooootion the guy getting shot in the end.....It's a big splat!
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Kodiak31415
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Posted - 2007.04.18 05:22:00 -
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Heh......I've seen this used as an example clip before (it was for a subwoofer demo then)
Anyone know how much a 50 foot DVI cable costs? I need to get high res stuff like this out to our TV.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2007.04.18 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kaemonn
Oh thats pretty. The best part is my computer played it back flawlessly
That's normal. Its only WMV9.
If I copied the H.264 stream from the original transcoded video, it would not play it fine .
I can play it fine but at about 65-80% CPU usage on a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz, using the latest version of CoreAVC.
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Tekka
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Posted - 2007.04.18 05:55:00 -
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That looked pretty awesome on my 1680x1050 laptop.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2007.04.18 10:37:00 -
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H.264 encode of a relatively low-motion scene, similar length, same film.
Note that there is a good deal of blocking due to the original encoding, which didn't seem to give enough bits to this scene (which probably requires at least 5-6Mbits to look good).
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Posted - 2007.04.18 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tekka
That looked pretty awesome on my 1680x1050 laptop.
mine too :o
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Posted - 2007.04.18 11:36:00 -
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Probably the best film to show in HD looks stunning enough on normal DVD. If GITS is coming out on blue ray only seems im gonna have to get a PS3 
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Gogar Teltaf
Cotton Buds
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Posted - 2007.04.18 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:28:19
29-second sample of a 1080p Blu-Ray video (right click, save as).
what film is that it looks awsome!
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2007.04.18 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gogar Teltaf
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:28:19
29-second sample of a 1080p Blu-Ray video (right click, save as).
what film is that it looks awsome!
Its Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence.
Half anime, half CGI, 100% awesome. Though the storyline is a lot more confusing and crappier than all the other Ghost in the Shell films and TV series.
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Tekka
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Posted - 2007.04.18 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Gogar Teltaf
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:28:19
29-second sample of a 1080p Blu-Ray video (right click, save as).
what film is that it looks awsome!
Its Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence.
Half anime, half CGI, 100% awesome. Though the storyline is a lot more confusing and crappier than all the other Ghost in the Shell films and TV series.
Who cares about storyline when it looks cooool!
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Kanthras
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:47:00 -
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I find HD massively overrated, tbh.
Sure, it looks slightly sharper/clearer.
But not it's not worth the premium over DVDs, IMO.
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kanthras
I find HD massively overrated, tbh.
Sure, it looks slightly sharper/clearer.
But not it's not worth the premium over DVDs, IMO.
That logic makes no sense to me.. the way i was raised i suppose..
me and my dad generally go.. OMG SHINEZOR!!! and buy it if it looks cool and is techy... how we ended up with our two 42inch HD tv's :D wireless surround sound speakers!! rarr
not to mention Sky HD full subsrciption!  
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niko86
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.04.18 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:31:15
Originally by: Kaemonn
Oh thats pretty. The best part is my computer played it back flawlessly
That's normal. Its only WMV9.
If I copied the H.264 stream from the original transcoded video, it would not play it fine .
I can play it fine but at about 65-80% CPU usage on a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz, using the latest version of CoreAVC.
I'm encoding a separate H.264 clip overnight; I'll post it when I wake up. It probably won't run fine on your computer 
Ok i got the CoreAVC thingy installed, i know its a codec or whatever but i notice no difference running it in VLC. Do i need to tell VLC use it or what?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2007.04.18 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: niko86
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:31:15
Originally by: Kaemonn
Oh thats pretty. The best part is my computer played it back flawlessly
That's normal. Its only WMV9.
If I copied the H.264 stream from the original transcoded video, it would not play it fine .
I can play it fine but at about 65-80% CPU usage on a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz, using the latest version of CoreAVC.
I'm encoding a separate H.264 clip overnight; I'll post it when I wake up. It probably won't run fine on your computer
Ok i got the CoreAVC thingy installed, i know its a codec or whatever but i notice no difference running it in VLC. Do i need to tell VLC use it or what?
First of all, the video in the first post is WMV9, not H.264.
Second of all, VLC is codec-independant; it does not use any codecs you have installed on the system and instead uses its own libraries. Because of this it cannot use CoreAVC.
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niko86
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Posted - 2007.04.18 21:17:00 -
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aye i know the first one is wmv. so what do i use to watch this mkv one? i only got the coreavc codec no player?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2007.04.18 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 21:29:31
Originally by: niko86
aye i know the first one is wmv. so what do i use to watch this mkv one? i only got the coreavc codec no player?
Any player works. Download the CCCP, then open the video and double click the FFDShow Video settings icon in the system tray. Turn off the H.264 decoding in the Codecs (from Libavcodec to Disabled). Then CoreAVC should work automatically when you restart the media player.
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niko86
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Posted - 2007.04.18 21:39:00 -
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its not one of these codec packs what clog your system with crap is it? not saying you'd lower yourself to such a one 
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niko86
Quantum Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.18 21:51:00 -
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You couldn't encode the shop scene were Batou gets ghost hacked? Just the last 10 seconds would do were the "camera" shows the carnage what just took place.
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Posted - 2007.04.18 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I can play it fine but at about 65-80% CPU usage on a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz, using the latest version of CoreAVC.
Is that because it's only using 1 core to play it? or am I completely wrong?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2007.04.18 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I can play it fine but at about 65-80% CPU usage on a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz, using the latest version of CoreAVC.
Is that because it's only using 1 core to play it? or am I completely wrong?
The high-motion scenes in the film take tons of CPU, and CoreAVC is multithreaded.
FFDshow, the regular solution for H.264 playback, is singlethreaded and a bit slower, too. Its fine for most videos, but 1080p is just too much.
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Posted - 2007.04.19 00:39:00 -
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I dont seem to get any video with the high res encoded version, it accually crashed VLC O_o. Any Ideas?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2007.04.19 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kaemonn
I dont seem to get any video with the high res encoded version, it accually crashed VLC O_o. Any Ideas?
Works fine in VLC here, except that it goes about 0.2 FPS...
Try using a directshow player like Windows Media Player, Zoomplayer, Media Player Classic, etc, maybe?
You'll need something like the CCCP above.
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