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Guillame Herschel
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Posted - 2007.09.12 22:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Satura
I just want to be able to shoot them to pieces even if they don't loot, and only salvage.
In other words, you want to grief the T1 Vigil pilot with your CNR.
Tough guy. I bet you suck in bed, too.
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Guillame Herschel
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Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.09.12 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 12/09/2007 23:04:29
Originally by: Yoinx
I have to agree, and disagree with a few of the posts I've read here. Wrecks belong to the last person to shoot it before it popped.
No, the contents of the can within the wreck belong to the guy who shot it down. The wreck itself belongs to no one.
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These wrecks belong to the player, and thus the other playing is stealing the salvage that could be sold.
It is impossible to have a productive discussion with someone like you who uses a private dictionary. Theft is an act with a clear definition in EVE. CONCORD grants you the right to attack someone who steals from you. I don't get flagged for claiming salvage, so it isn't theft. It can't be. I'd get a criminal flag if it was. But I don't. So it isn't.
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Either way the person who owns the wreck is losing potential isk, thus it's essentially stealing either way.
Under EVE's definition of ownership, no one owns the wreck, no one gets a criminal flag for claiming salvage, so it cannot be stealing. I'm talking about game mechanics here, not RL morality. So don't bother going there.
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But I do feel people should be able to salvage them, and make the choice if they dont mind the agression countdown.
We already can. And do. And will keep doing it as long as game mechanics remain as they are. That defines what is legal and moral in the EVE universe.
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.09.13 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 13/09/2007 23:53:28
Originally by: Yoinx
Edited by: Yoinx on 13/09/2007 15:24:54
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
No, the contents of the can within the wreck belong to the guy who shot it down. The wreck itself belongs to no one.
Maybe you should try clicking on someone else's wreck, and checking to see if your name shows up on it. Then you can say nobody owns it.
OK, fine. The SALVAGE in the wreck is owned by no one until a salvage module claims it. That the wreck is flagged with an owner is a side-effect of the fact that salvage was added after can looting, so the wrecks stands in for the can, until the wreck is gone.
Happy now? Didn't think so.
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.10.04 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Divinities
I guess. And yet no one can articulate a coherant argument as to WHY it should not be criminal. 
Because the salvaging profession in EVE is trying to create new game play that mimics salvaging in real life. No one owns salvage in real life until they claim it by taking possession of it. Same here. Pretty simple idea, really, even a chlid can understand it.
Finders keepers - losers weepers.
Remember?
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.10.04 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
I'm well aware that agents in other systems offer level four missions, but agent quality is not why I still operate out of Motsu.
Motsu is prime salavge-claimer territory. Getting visited by a salvage-claimer is way more common on Motsu than anywhere else. You accept this by choosing to remain in Motsu. Therefore, your reasons for remaining in Motsu are more important to you than not competing for salvage claims. So stop whining. You made your choice, stop being a child and live with it, or change it.
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.10.05 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Pretty simple idea, really, even a chlid can understand it. Finders keepers - losers weepers.
Remember?
See? Griefing.
Then you are less than a child. Little children understand finders-keepers, why can't you?
Go cry to your mommy (if you have one).
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.10.08 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 08/10/2007 22:55:19
Originally by: Xaen
Besides, I think this and this is pretty obvious evidence of malicious intent.
Malicious intent is perfectly legal and even encouraged in this game, or didn't you know that? Surely you do know that. This game does not give you the option to excuse yourself from PvP.
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