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Eva Yves
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.18 11:16:14 -
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I'm a returned to EVE and play a alpha clone.
Since we're already capped to fly cruisers, why also cap us in fitting properly those few ships we can use?
I didnt pvp much but wanted to try it out this time and it really makes for hours of fun (although i explode alot :p ), since omega players already have a clear advantage in the game, alpha players should be allowed to fit T2 weapons to those ships, otherwise the huge gap between alpha and omega feels like to big to cross, think about it.
Cheers all
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Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
46623
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Posted - 2017.01.18 11:19:25 -
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There are meta modules that have the same capabilities as T2 weapons, just not the T2 ammo, but faction ammo can also be good, and a bit more heat damage. They generally cost a little more also (but not always).
On the module go to the variants tab and click on compare. You'll be able to see which named version has similar performance to the T2. |
Keno Skir
1186
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Posted - 2017.01.18 11:26:18 -
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Eva Yves wrote:I'm a returned to EVE and play a alpha clone.
Since we're already capped to fly cruisers, why also cap us in fitting properly those few ships we can use?
I didnt pvp much but wanted to try it out this time and it really makes for hours of fun (although i explode alot :p ), since omega players already have a clear advantage in the game, alpha players should be allowed to fit T2 weapons to those ships, otherwise the huge gap between alpha and omega feels like to big to cross, think about it.
Cheers all
Nope. This has been discussed over and over. The majority seem quite happy with the Alpha limitations, and the one's doing well at PvP are proving the rest of you wrong. I know it feels at the start like t2 stuff is a must or you can't PvP but EvE is much more about tactics than raw DPS or Tracking figures 
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u3pog
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
819
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Posted - 2017.01.18 13:11:32 -
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The smaller the gap between alpha and omega, the less people who need to subscribe, less revenue for CCP = consequences for all....I think you'll get the picture. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24393
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Posted - 2017.01.18 13:19:32 -
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But... think about poor CCP developers and their families. They have to eat something!
Share few $ so you can enjoy the tech II technology and support the game you like. Also you can always buy PLEX with ISK if you feel like you are poor too and have a lot of time for making ISK. This way you will support the game too.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1733
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Posted - 2017.01.18 13:29:16 -
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I was surprised that my Alpha clones can get T2 tank. There are a lot of players that only fly the small stuff, with T2 guns those had even less benefits from going Omega. |
Demonspawn 666
The Dirty Rejects
ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2017.01.18 14:03:44 -
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No.
The Dirty Rejects are recruiting!
Come play with me...... I like being played with!
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
Naquatech Syndicate
1951
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Posted - 2017.01.18 14:04:51 -
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If you like what you have as an Alpha and want more simply sub to have an Omega.
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Qwerty Ernaga
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.18 14:09:27 -
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Keno Skir wrote:I know it feels at the start like t2 stuff is a must or you can't PvP but EvE is much more about tactics than raw DPS or Tracking figures
This is the same half truth like "skills do not matter".
If it was about tactics and not raw DPS you wouldn-¦t have issues with alphas having t2 equipment in the first place.
So let-¦s stop pretending it doesn-¦t matter. It does but aplhas are unlimited trial, you get limited options if just for the reason so you are motivated to buy omega.
Nana Skalski wrote:But... think about poor CCP developers and their families. They have to eat something!
This. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
608
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Posted - 2017.01.18 14:33:24 -
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Eva Yves wrote:I'm a returned to EVE and play a alpha clone.
Since we're already capped to fly cruisers, why also cap us in fitting properly those few ships we can use?
I didnt pvp much but wanted to try it out this time and it really makes for hours of fun (although i explode alot :p ), since omega players already have a clear advantage in the game, alpha players should be allowed to fit T2 weapons to those ships, otherwise the huge gap between alpha and omega feels like to big to cross, think about it.
Cheers all
No.
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
875
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Posted - 2017.01.18 14:38:30 -
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Stop being poor and use Faction Modules! |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1353
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Posted - 2017.01.18 15:14:53 -
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Not DPS are what makes T2 weapons useful, but T2 Ammo, at least in many cases. Especially for Minmatar players not being able to fit T2 guns hurts.
That out of the way, the deserve it how exactly? What did they do to deserve anything?
And let's say they do indeed "deserve" it - Which skills would you scratch to make room for T2 weapon skills? |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
974
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Posted - 2017.01.18 15:15:36 -
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Eva Yves wrote:I'm a returned to EVE and play a alpha clone.
Since we're already capped to fly cruisers, why also cap us in fitting properly those few ships we can use?
I didnt pvp much but wanted to try it out this time and it really makes for hours of fun (although i explode alot :p ), since omega players already have a clear advantage in the game, alpha players should be allowed to fit T2 weapons to those ships, otherwise the huge gap between alpha and omega feels like to big to cross, think about it.
Cheers all
do you feel you're not getting your $0/month worth out of the game? |
Princess Adhara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2017.01.18 15:16:37 -
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I agree that alpha CLONES deserve T2 weapons.
That's why alpha PLAYERS should upgrade their alpha CLONES to omega by subscribing or buying plex.
Achieving something is more meaningful than having it handed over. |
Keno Skir
1189
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Posted - 2017.01.18 16:39:53 -
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Qwerty Ernaga wrote:Keno Skir wrote:I know it feels at the start like t2 stuff is a must or you can't PvP but EvE is much more about tactics than raw DPS or Tracking figures This is the same half truth like "skills do not matter". If it was about tactics and not raw DPS you wouldn-¦t have issues with alphas having t2 equipment in the first place. So let-¦s stop pretending it doesn-¦t matter. It does but aplhas are unlimited trial, you get limited options if just for the reason so you are motivated to buy omega. Nana Skalski wrote:But... think about poor CCP developers and their families. They have to eat something! This.
Take your butt-hurt whinings away from me unless you want to post with your main like a man. I wan't Alphas to be limited because it makes them more likely to sub and support the game i love.
If you cannot PvP successfully as an Alpha it is because your plan is bad. This is a FACT as proved by all the Alphas getting dank kills (it's not hard to find evidence of this).
In every area of EvE we get folks who think they cannot participate meaningfully until they're done waiting for (insert whatever skill here) to train. They sit in stations loudly complaining how they're too far behind the rest or how Alphas should be able to fly Carriers at birth because RAWR!
The truth is that for all the people sitting in stations spinning ships, the people really doing it right are the one's who are in space working out how to do what they want with what they have. These people don't waste time bleating on forums how the game is too hard or long or limited or whatever, they just get out there and work with what they have in the sandbox they're presented with.
If you want Omega skills it's pennies a day. That's not the point though, the point is that i have week old Alpha's making good ISK in wormhole space while i'm reading how impossible everything is for you without T2 guns.
Absolute b*llocks, man up, HTFU and other such mockery
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3099
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Posted - 2017.01.18 16:51:09 -
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Quote:Alpha clones deserve some T2 weapon love to :)
What an interesting choice of words. Why, specifically, do they deserve them?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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2Sonas1Cup
187
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Posted - 2017.01.18 16:51:50 -
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*too
Nuff said. |
Ravnik
The Jolly Rogerer
13360
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Posted - 2017.01.18 17:11:48 -
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I remember the good old days when you had to work at getting your ships / mods / skills. Its all handed out on a plate now. Oh how the universe has changed 
The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
2025
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Posted - 2017.01.18 17:24:11 -
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Eva Yves wrote:...although i explode alot :p...
You are already geting 'love of T2 weapons' 
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
1155
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Posted - 2017.01.18 17:28:58 -
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T2 guns would make for an endless string of gank destroyers with throw away characters, so no.
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Darth Kendari
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2017.01.18 20:11:50 -
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Yet another give me MOAR FREE STUFF post.
NO.
Cheers.
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Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
229
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Posted - 2017.01.18 21:13:06 -
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Get a job or run some missions.
Is $15/mnth really that much for someone with a job, even a crap one?
If you don't have a job and aren't spending all your time looking for one then use your time to generate some ISK and buy a PLEX.
If you're a student... in life sometimes sacrifices have to be made... shouldn't you be studying?
CCP deserve to get paid one way or another and T2 guns are not an un-counterable I WIN button. |
Eva Yves
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.26 10:20:09 -
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Since i made the original post i've tryied alot more pvp.
The gap i spoke off dont seem so big now, as many pointed out. Tactics seems to play a big part in the outcome of a 1v1 although some limitations still occur as it would be expected in alphas, for example, since you only can fly T1 drones your drone boat will always be less viable in terms of dps as an omega.
Since CCP folks need to eat to thats fine, when i fell ready i'll upgrade my account :) |
Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
46701
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Posted - 2017.01.26 10:28:28 -
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Eva Yves wrote:Since i made the original post i've tryied alot more pvp.
The gap i spoke off dont seem so big now, as many pointed out. Tactics seems to play a big part in the outcome of a 1v1 although some limitations still occur as it would be expected in alphas, for example, since you only can fly T1 drones your drone boat will always be less viable in terms of dps as an omega.
Since CCP folks need to eat to thats fine, when i fell ready i'll upgrade my account :)
Nice one. Congrats and hope it continues to work out for you. |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
6
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Posted - 2017.01.26 13:28:53 -
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Alpha Clones are not differently abled citizens in EVE. You're playing a trial that's long enough to let you experiment with everything before you commit. EvE is still a Pay to Play game |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
287
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Posted - 2017.01.26 15:11:49 -
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You'll fly t1 crap and you'll like it! |
Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
46705
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Posted - 2017.01.26 15:17:44 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Alpha Clones are not differently abled citizens in EVE. You're playing a trial that's long enough to let you experiment with everything before you commit. EvE is still a Pay to Play game
This gets tossed around a lot, but where are you getting this from? It's not CCP's view. Their view is quite the opposite. |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1814
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Posted - 2017.01.26 15:50:35 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Alpha Clones are not differently abled citizens in EVE. You're playing a trial that's long enough to let you experiment with everything before you commit. EvE is still a Pay to Play game This gets tossed around a lot, but where are you getting this from? It's not CCP's view. Their view is quite the opposite.
Guess the question is how a player defines GÇ£playing EVEGÇ¥ vs. GÇ£trying EVEGÇ¥. I fly T1 ships up to battlecruisers on my omega clones and for me my alpha clones pretty much feel like GÇ£playing EVEGÇ¥. If you would do more cloaky stuff I would probably lean more towards GÇ£alpha is only endless trialGÇ¥. Either way, T2 weapons would not make the difference for me. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1216
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Posted - 2017.01.26 15:59:44 -
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The only way Id ever be on board with this is limiting T2 weapons to frigate hulls only by changing the prerequisites from racial turret/launcher L5 to L4 so as the ability to train the specialization skills and then only to L3.
This leaves the last L5 or 5% damage and two levels of the spec skill, 2% each, available to Omega accounts only.
With the other L5 restrictions in place, tracking, range, and ROF are already capped and with this addition I could see a potential usage case for frigates only.
The only drawback imo is suicide catalysts or thrashers being given what like 40% more dps through T2 ammo.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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LouHodo
Lynchpin Limitations LLC
6
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Posted - 2017.01.26 17:24:30 -
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Eva Yves wrote:Since i made the original post i've tryied alot more pvp.
The gap i spoke off dont seem so big now, as many pointed out. Tactics seems to play a big part in the outcome of a 1v1 although some limitations still occur as it would be expected in alphas, for example, since you only can fly T1 drones your drone boat will always be less viable in terms of dps as an omega.
Since CCP folks need to eat to thats fine, when i fell ready i'll upgrade my account :)
I was "alpha" for years.... before there was an alpha clone state.
And the thing I found is while T2 stuff is nice, you can as others said, do with faction and tactics.
There are literally thousands of people in this game who suck at PVP, and they try to PVP. So know what you have, how to use it, and you will be fine.
BTW I am one of those thousands who suck at PVP, so I am speaking the truth. |
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