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Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation Limited Expectations
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Posted - 2017.01.20 17:57:56 -
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Danika Princip wrote: I'm of the opinion that the invulnerable taxiceptor needs to be nerfed into the ground, not buffed even in minor ways like this.
I never mentioned a thing about ceptors nor anything about increasing the security of hauling with them. not that the case can increase it in any way. if someone wants to haul with a ceptor having or not having the case will not change that. get over it and take your ceptor rant somewhere else.
Danika Princip wrote: Then you can have your case.
when you have CCP infront of your name then we can talk about conditions. thank you and goodbye. |

Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5773
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Posted - 2017.01.20 18:24:19 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Ji7 Aldard wrote:the problem with existing containers is they are still too large for BPOs/BPCs
120m3 = 12000 blueprints
now imagine you want to get 10 build sets for different things and you dont want to bpcs to get mixed.... now you have to fly an industrial to cary the 1000m3 the small containers take up. also you cant load small containers on a freighter.. so you would have to use 10000m3 cans for blueprints..... or you can just mix them in and spend the next hour spliting the stacks when you get then to your destinatin.
and TBH... I play to have fun and not bo be sorting documents... I get enough of that at work. and as many still not understand, this is a game not a second unpayed job :D I don't understand the problem. How is it possible for a can to be too big, unless you're trying to haul huge numbers of blueprints in an interceptor? And...I don't own a freighter, why can't you use small cans in one? (Personally, I move mine in a DST or a blockade runner. 1000m3 is not a big ask for anyone with halfway decent industrial skills.) i'm just as confused as you. having had to handle large numbers of alliance level bops and bpc through several large moves i have never had an issue
Also confused. I do lots of invention so I have cans for BPOs and BPCs. No problem. Need to find a particular BPC, use the search function or open the industry window and point it to the relevant can. Since invention requires lots of other StuffGäó I often move everything at once in a JF....if I need to move. But I could easily move all those BPOs/BPCs in a viator or crane.
And to be clear, I dump all the BPOs in one can, all the BPCs in one can. If you want a can for each BPO item...okay, but that seems just a tad compulsive to me.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5773
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Posted - 2017.01.20 18:30:33 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I really don't see any downside to this suggestion. Question: Would you be able to password-protect or otherwise lock these cases like standard containers, deploy them in space, etc.?
The downside is the opportunity cost--i.e. time spent developing this idea and putting it in game vs. doing something else with that dev time.
Is this needed? I have never had an issue finding BPCs or BPOs for installing jobs with the search function and the industry window. Granted, I'm just one guy...but we have 2 also wondering why this is needed.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation Limited Expectations
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Posted - 2017.01.20 18:33:59 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: Also confused. I do lots of invention so I have cans for BPOs and BPCs. No problem. Need to find a particular BPC, use the search function or open the industry window and point it to the relevant can. Since invention requires lots of other StuffGäó I often move everything at once in a JF....if I need to move. But I could easily move all those BPOs/BPCs in a viator or crane.
And to be clear, I dump all the BPOs in one can, all the BPCs in one can. If you want a can for each BPO item...okay, but that seems just a tad compulsive to me.
if you need to put each build set to someone else its not a valid option to dump all of the bpcs in one can is it...
sure I have a can with 1000 bpos as well but those are not the ones I need to redistribute |

Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation Limited Expectations
14
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Posted - 2017.01.20 18:37:48 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:I really don't see any downside to this suggestion. Question: Would you be able to password-protect or otherwise lock these cases like standard containers, deploy them in space, etc.? The downside is the opportunity cost--i.e. time spent developing this idea and putting it in game vs. doing something else with that dev time. Is this needed? I have never had an issue finding BPCs or BPOs for installing jobs with the search function and the industry window. Granted, I'm just one guy...but we have 2 also wondering why this is needed.
how long does it take to make a new item? few minutes? CCP can afford to waste time on dumb so called "special edition commodities" that dont ever have a function... plus this is a copy and paste job.. take an existing can, change the volume and rename the item.
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
309
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Posted - 2017.01.20 19:41:46 -
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As I have said before m, and as has been stated by many other people. EVE needs a better inventory system all around. It would be better to have something like a mail account folders or computer drive folders. It needs filters as well that can be attached on a per folder bases.
Same thing with corp hangers.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3541
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Posted - 2017.01.20 20:18:00 -
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Ji7 Aldard wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: Also confused. I do lots of invention so I have cans for BPOs and BPCs. No problem. Need to find a particular BPC, use the search function or open the industry window and point it to the relevant can. Since invention requires lots of other StuffGäó I often move everything at once in a JF....if I need to move. But I could easily move all those BPOs/BPCs in a viator or crane.
And to be clear, I dump all the BPOs in one can, all the BPCs in one can. If you want a can for each BPO item...okay, but that seems just a tad compulsive to me.
if you need to put each build set to someone else its not a valid option to dump all of the bpcs in one can is it... sure I have a can with 1000 bpos as well but those are not the ones I need to redistribute
m8 for this just set up filters
BLOPS Hauler
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3541
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Posted - 2017.01.20 20:19:21 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:As I have said before m, and as has been stated by many other people. EVE needs a better inventory system all around. It would be better to have something like a mail account folders or computer drive folders. It needs filters as well that can be attached on a per folder bases.
Same thing with corp hangers.
......
whats wrong with the current filters
and nested folders are something the database doesn't handle well
BLOPS Hauler
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Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation Limited Expectations
14
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Posted - 2017.01.20 20:40:47 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
m8 for this just set up filters
are you even reading the posts? because it doesnt look like it... here let me find you the previous suggestion about filters.
Ji7 Aldard wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:
Then just pick however many parts you need out of the resulting filtered list.
Yeah, I know it's rocket surgery, but it does work.
Briliant! now try doing this for 10 times for for each build set each of them containing 20+ bpcs. so your method only requires to set filters 199 times... lol like I wrote before... you must me a masochist to do this and not try to find a better way.
granted I did the math on it again and you only need to set it 180 times... still its insane
filters simply dont fix this |

Lugh Crow-Slave
3543
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Posted - 2017.01.20 21:00:26 -
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but once you set up the filters you never have to do it again. 180 filters isn't all that much and then you never need containers again
BLOPS Hauler
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5773
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Posted - 2017.01.20 23:02:54 -
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Ji7 Aldard wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: Also confused. I do lots of invention so I have cans for BPOs and BPCs. No problem. Need to find a particular BPC, use the search function or open the industry window and point it to the relevant can. Since invention requires lots of other StuffGäó I often move everything at once in a JF....if I need to move. But I could easily move all those BPOs/BPCs in a viator or crane.
And to be clear, I dump all the BPOs in one can, all the BPCs in one can. If you want a can for each BPO item...okay, but that seems just a tad compulsive to me.
if you need to put each build set to someone else its not a valid option to dump all of the bpcs in one can is it... sure I have a can with 1000 bpos as well but those are not the ones I need to redistribute
What does "put each build set to someone else" mean? Did you mean assign?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation Limited Expectations
14
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Posted - 2017.01.20 23:23:06 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:but once you set up the filters you never have to do it again. 180 filters isn't all that much and then you never need containers again
lol, you cant be serious....
filter type #1 move one to a different can filter type #2 move one to a different can filter type #3 move one to a different can filter type #4 move one to a different can filter type #5 move one to a different can filter type #6 move one to a different can filter type #7 move one to a different can filter type #8 move one to a different can filter type #9 move one to a different can filter type #10 move one to a different can filter type #11 move one to a different can filter type #12 move one to a different can filter type #13 move one to a different can filter type #14 move one to a different can filter type #15 move one to a different can filter type #16 move one to a different can filter type #17 move one to a different can filter type #18 move one to a different can filter type #19 move one to a different can filter type #20 move one to a different can create a contract for the removed BPCs now repeat 10 times
srsly... |

Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation Limited Expectations
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Posted - 2017.01.20 23:24:23 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: What does "put each build set to someone else" mean? Did you mean assign?
assign / give / contract /exchange for something else
yes |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3023
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Posted - 2017.01.21 05:29:37 -
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Danika Princip wrote:I'm of the opinion that the invulnerable taxiceptor needs to be nerfed into the ground, not buffed even in minor ways like this.
Hard lock a 2.01 second align time minimum, and make that seriously hard to achieve. Then you can have your case. I have a better idea. Reduce lock delay to 1 second, but nerf instalocking ships and reduce the sig radius of interceptors and other tiny ships so that sig radius actually matters and they can't get instalocked by anything larger than a destroyer. Gives interceptors too many effective hit points? Why of course it does! Nerf their HP and powergrid. Then reduce their mass so that they get some benefit from squeezing on those powergrid-hogging prop mods. Interceptors should be smaller ships, not overpowered ships shoehorned into their role.
Ji7 Aldard wrote:Danika Princip wrote: Then you can have your case. when you have CCP infront of your name then we can talk about conditions. thank you and goodbye. It's a valid point. Sometimes a perfectly good idea has a downside merely because some other problem exists in the game. It is important to talk about that if you want to get support from the veterans in the playerbase. I'm the first one to support any vaguely decent idea. You'll have to lower yourself a bit to get support from other folks. Just take their advice with a grain of salt, it comes with experience and it's not all bad.
A lot of you guys are mentioning how this has the downside of reducing tedium. This is also a fair point. At a glance it may seem like only an upside, but that tedium pushes people out of the blueprint industry and requires energy and time expenditure for others. Removing the tedium affects the market; it will make blueprints cheaper. It is important to consider these effects in the proposal, and that proposal should either offer a solution to counter the effects or explain why they are okay/good/wanted.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.01.21 06:01:37 -
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Ji7 Aldard wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:but once you set up the filters you never have to do it again. 180 filters isn't all that much and then you never need containers again lol, you cant be serious.... filter type #1 move one to a different can filter type #2 move one to a different can filter type #3 move one to a different can filter type #4 move one to a different can filter type #5 move one to a different can filter type #6 move one to a different can filter type #7 move one to a different can filter type #8 move one to a different can filter type #9 move one to a different can filter type #10 move one to a different can filter type #11 move one to a different can filter type #12 move one to a different can filter type #13 move one to a different can filter type #14 move one to a different can filter type #15 move one to a different can filter type #16 move one to a different can filter type #17 move one to a different can filter type #18 move one to a different can filter type #19 move one to a different can filter type #20 move one to a different can create a contract for the removed BPCs now repeat 10 times srsly...
i don't think you understand how filters work.
you can make 1 filter that will show you one group of blueprints.
I.E.
i can make one filter and it will show me all BPO needed to build a Rhea I can make a filter to show me all BPCs to build a Rhea and i can make a filter to show me all BPO and BPC to build a rhea. I can make a filter that shows me all BPs and materials to build a rhea
I can make a filter for any item combination I wish
FOR I AM LUGH THE ALL MIGHTY, GOD OF FILTERS!!!!!!!!
BLOPS Hauler
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Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
711
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Posted - 2017.01.21 06:27:27 -
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+1
BPC stacking/sorting needs some serious luvin'
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3544
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Posted - 2017.01.21 06:31:15 -
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Kenrailae wrote:+1
BPC stacking/sorting needs some serious luvin'
add a ME and TE value to the filters and we'll be set
BLOPS Hauler
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Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation Limited Expectations
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Posted - 2017.01.21 13:52:41 -
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Mordachai
SevLite Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2017.01.25 09:23:56 -
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These kind of threads have been popping up once in a while but ccp doesnt care nor does the csm as its apparent on these forums.
but fyi you cant have more then 1000 items in any hangar/container/inventory and with a small container having space for 12k blueprints makes 91% of your space in those containers unuseable. so having a containers of 10m3 would be perfect for 1k bpc's. |

Cynis Auscent
ETH Industries
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Posted - 2017.01.25 12:50:35 -
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Ji7 Aldard wrote:...and as many still not understand, this is a game not a second unpayed job :D
This is so true! |

Lugh Crow-Slave
3561
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Posted - 2017.01.25 14:32:11 -
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Cynis Auscent wrote:Ji7 Aldard wrote:...and as many still not understand, this is a game not a second unpayed job :D This is so true!
that's right because it's a second job that you pay for
BLOPS Hauler
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
510
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Posted - 2017.01.25 15:09:37 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Ji7 Aldard wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Would you like there to be even one single tradeoff to your utterly risk free blueprint hauling taxiceptor? What does risk-free intercepter-hauling have to do with this proposal? He's not proposing affecting the risk of hauling in an interceptor, he is talking about arranging objects in frigate cargoholds. see... this guy knows what Im talking about. thx the risk is the same as with hauling all the bpos directly in the cargohold. its just the simple fact of having them organised. oh and a downside? probably like 200 units of trit required to build the cases. except the reward is now higher as it gains you connivance
To be honest, I don't think pirates will go "Oh, this guy has all his BPOs and BPCs ordered just right with his ten blueprint cases, let's be lenient and let him go."
So no, you don't get more "connivance" out of this. Maybe more convenience, but that's not a reward.
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Havenard
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
33
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Posted - 2017.01.25 18:05:34 -
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I organize mine in the 120m3 containers and I see no problem with that. The volume only matters if you plan on moving it, but why the hell are you moving hundreds of blueprints around in the first place?
At least let me know what route you are taking so I can ready up my Tornado.
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Cynis Auscent
ETH Industries
4
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Posted - 2017.01.25 20:26:16 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Cynis Auscent wrote:Ji7 Aldard wrote:...and as many still not understand, this is a game not a second unpayed job :D This is so true! that's right because it's a second job that you pay for
You're making it worse   |

Mordachai
SevLite Enterprises Inc.
10
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Posted - 2017.01.26 11:21:58 -
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Havenard wrote:I organize mine in the 120m3 containers and I see no problem with that. The volume only matters if you plan on moving it, but why the hell are you moving hundreds of blueprints around in the first place?
At least let me know what route you are taking so I can ready up my Tornado.
simply because i.e. astrahaus pack bpc's take like 0.8 m3 or something or less dont know and moving 10 packs or something is a horrible waste of space. |

Havenard
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2017.01.26 14:54:32 -
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Mordachai wrote:Havenard wrote:I organize mine in the 120m3 containers and I see no problem with that. The volume only matters if you plan on moving it, but why the hell are you moving hundreds of blueprints around in the first place?
At least let me know what route you are taking so I can ready up my Tornado.
simply because i.e. astrahaus pack bpc's take like 0.8 m3 or something or less dont know and moving 10 packs or something is a horrible waste of space.
Then don't use a container, it's a dozen items, this is hardly reason enough to use containers.
If you are so paranoid about organizing your precious blueprint packs, use Plastic Wraps. Make a Courier contract to your alt, accept and fail it, and you will have a Plastic Wrap containing the stuff exactly with the same volume of it's content. |

Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
714
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Posted - 2017.01.26 19:18:04 -
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Havenard wrote:Mordachai wrote:Havenard wrote:I organize mine in the 120m3 containers and I see no problem with that. The volume only matters if you plan on moving it, but why the hell are you moving hundreds of blueprints around in the first place?
At least let me know what route you are taking so I can ready up my Tornado.
simply because i.e. astrahaus pack bpc's take like 0.8 m3 or something or less dont know and moving 10 packs or something is a horrible waste of space. Then don't use a container, it's a dozen items, this is hardly reason enough to use containers. If you are so paranoid about organizing your precious blueprint packs, use Plastic Wraps. Make a Courier contract to your alt, accept and fail it, and you will have a Plastic Wrap containing the stuff exactly with the same volume of it's content.
Just because this^ currently works doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.
It may not impact you personally much, but for people who do build big things, the antiquated coding around BPC's is a huge PITA.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3590
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Posted - 2017.01.27 12:10:32 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Havenard wrote:Mordachai wrote:Havenard wrote:I organize mine in the 120m3 containers and I see no problem with that. The volume only matters if you plan on moving it, but why the hell are you moving hundreds of blueprints around in the first place?
At least let me know what route you are taking so I can ready up my Tornado.
simply because i.e. astrahaus pack bpc's take like 0.8 m3 or something or less dont know and moving 10 packs or something is a horrible waste of space. Then don't use a container, it's a dozen items, this is hardly reason enough to use containers. If you are so paranoid about organizing your precious blueprint packs, use Plastic Wraps. Make a Courier contract to your alt, accept and fail it, and you will have a Plastic Wrap containing the stuff exactly with the same volume of it's content. Just because this^ currently works doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. It may not impact you personally much, but for people who do build big things, the antiquated coding around BPC's is a huge PITA.
as someone who handles a lot of builds both with alts and other people i can say the amount of PITA with BPs is greatly over exaggerated
BLOPS Hauler
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Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
716
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Posted - 2017.01.28 06:13:20 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
as someone who handles a lot of builds both with alts and other people i can say the amount of PITA with BPs is greatly over exaggerated
YOU can continue using the caveman strategy of contracting to your alts then.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Mordachai
SevLite Enterprises Inc.
12
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Posted - 2017.02.08 07:32:39 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
as someone who handles a lot of builds both with alts and other people i can say the amount of PITA with BPs is greatly over exaggerated
YOU can continue using the caveman strategy of contracting to your alts then.
Although i could do contracts... but in the end thats isk lost and effort went into making the dam contracts and imho thats not the way contract system is intended to.
Whynot allow containers to have sections just like corp hangar 7 sections or something. same volume just break it down into sections that case total amount og items in a container will be 7k items. |
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