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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.19 00:28:00 -
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Quoting well worded posts
 Originally by: Vasiliyan
The thing is, there is really no such thing as nonconsensual PvP in a computer game. You cannot make people fight; if they don't want to, they will go to NPC corps, stay docked, log off, or cancel their accounts.
So in Eve we have the consensual PvP zone (0.0), the PvP-with-traveller/defender-advantage zone (lowsec), and the zero risk zone (highsec), and people can choose where they want to be. Turning highsec into a PvP zone will just empty it.
Originally by: Acinonyx Jubatus
I like how you mention the bit where you'd usually only find 1-2 targets usually.
You pretty much smothered everyone into either running around in empire to get shot or staying in their area of 0.0/space... Or not playing/undocking period.
I am sick of carebear this and pirate that and whin whine whine
those posts speak volume and should shut everyone up who wants safer high sec or unsafe everywhere / cheap decs and constraints from leaving corps and such.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.19 07:35:00 -
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First !
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.19 07:56:00 -
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i only wish posting on the forum was consensual :(
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.19 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
i only wish posting on the forum was consensual :(
why then you would not be able to post at all
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.19 08:27:00 -
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OMG LOLZ BURN!!1!
oh no wait.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.19 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
OMG LOLZ BURN!!1!
oh no wait.
you okz ?
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:53:00 -
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stunning news !
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
Quoting well worded posts
Originally by: Vasiliyan
The thing is, there is really no such thing as nonconsensual PvP in a computer game. You cannot make people fight; if they don't want to, they will go to NPC corps, stay dockT6/+jƒv^>I¦eê+_d+¥)=¦+µ3R í accounts.
So in Eve we have the consensual PvP zone (0.0), the PvP-with-traveller/defender-advantage zone (lowsec), and the zero risk zone (highsec), and people can choose where they want to be. Turning highsec into a PvP zone will just empty it.
Originally by: Acinonyx Jubatus
I like how you mention the bit where you'd usually only find 1-2 targets usually.
You pretty much smothered everyone into either running around in empire to get shot or staying in their area of 0.0/space... Or not playing/undocking period.
I am sick of carebear this and pirate that and whin whine whine
those posts speak volume and should shut everyone up who wants safer high sec or unsafe everywhere / cheap decs and constraints from leaving corps and such.
Epic revelation is Epic!
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.20 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: RedFall
Originally by: SiJira
Quoting well worded posts
Originally by: Vasiliyan
The thing is, there is really no such thing as nonconsensual PvP in a computer game. You cannot make people fight; if they don't want to, they will go to NPC corps, stay dockT6/+jƒv^>I¦eê+_d+¥)=¦+µ3R í accounts.
So in Eve we have the consensual PvP zone (0.0), the PvP-with-traveller/defender-advantage zone (lowsec), and the zero risk zone (highsec), and people can choose where they want to be. Turning highsec into a PvP zone will just empty it.
Originally by: Acinonyx Jubatus
I like how you mention the bit where you'd usually only find 1-2 targets usually.
You pretty much smothered everyone into either running around in empire to get shot or staying in their area of 0.0/space... Or not playing/undocking period.
I am sick of carebear this and pirate that and whin whine whine
those posts speak volume and should shut everyone up who wants safer high sec or unsafe everywhere / cheap decs and constraints from leaving corps and such.
Epic revelation is Epic!
thank you good sir, indeed it is so !
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Angry Alt
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.20 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: Angry Alt on 20/04/2007 01:21:36
And now for something completely different...
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.04.20 01:34:00 -
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I hereby demand anti-gun laws for high-sec! All weapons MUST be deactivated at all times when traveling through high-sec systems, otherwise it won't be zero risk! CCP please make this change! !!
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.04.20 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad InExile
I hereby demand anti-gun laws for high-sec! All weapons MUST be deactivated at all times when traveling through high-sec systems, otherwise it won't be zero risk! CCP please make this change! !!
Indeed. How long will we allow the carnage of high-sec pirating... no, high sec-crime go on?
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.20 01:56:00 -
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I'm stupider for reading this thread.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.20 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
I'm stupider for reading this thread.
That is a disease !
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.20 04:41:00 -
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Discuss
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.20 05:37:00 -
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Quote:
Epic Revelation PvP IS Consentual
Please go back to WoW with your "Epic".
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.20 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous
Quote:
Epic Revelation PvP IS Consentual
Please go back to WoW with your "Epic".
typical reply
I never played that crappy POS game nor do i plan to
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.20 08:49:00 -
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I'm sure Blizzard are weeping into their piles of cash about that.
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.20 09:18:00 -
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Of course pvp is consensual. Nobody forces you to undock. I know that there are people who play Eve who for various reasons never do undock.
By undocking you accept the terms and conditions of whatever security area you happen to be in. All the security rating does is provide the terms and conditions that apply to pvp.
Hence, flying around in Eve is consent to combat. Even if you suck at it like I do.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.20 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 20/04/2007 09:23:39
You don't have to stand and fight. There are loads of ways to avoid combat - from WtZ and safespots through to to WCS.
The 'Consensual PvP' movement is simply a gaggle of whingers that don't want anybody else to be able to interfere with their trading game. They would be better off with Transport Tycoon and a copy of MSN messenger.
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Miss Anthropy
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.04.20 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Anthropy on 20/04/2007 09:26:40
It's spelt CONSENSUAL. There is, in fact, no such word as consentual.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.20 09:35:00 -
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The School Of Applied Knowledge in action, ladies and gentlemen.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.04.20 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 20/04/2007 11:55:53
Originally by: ry ry
i only wish posting on the forum was consensual :(
Yeh, its bad for your health otherwise?
Anyone want a job for ISK? Hiring people to read the forums for me (to pass me on all those hidden gems of borderline exploits that people post about while drunk, and that have potential to make you rich beyond reason).
For various reasons, i will not be paying for your healthcare (the insurance company person looked at me in a funny way, then burst out laughing after i mentioned Eve forums ...)
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2007.04.20 12:02:00 -
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Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for
superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio
and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.20 12:06:00 -
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PvP is consensual in EVE in the same way that it's consensual in Counter Strike. That is, no-one forces you to turn on your computer and log in. But once you do that, you've consented..........
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Ardvaark Ratnik
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Posted - 2007.04.20 13:27:00 -
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and it is WHINER, not whinGer.
/grammar police off
and on topic, the moment you click your character portrait, you agree to PvP in some shape or form, be it through marketing, production or combat.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.20 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 20/04/2007 13:30:02
a whinge (rhymes with hinge) and whine (rhymes with wine) are entirely different, despite meaning more or less the same thing. although the former appears to be uniquely British.
as your mastery of english increases you'll discover that a weiner is different again. as are a window, a wardrobe and a wellington. isn't language a beautiful fing?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.20 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ardvaark Ratnik
and it is WHINER, not whinGer.
/grammar police off
and on topic, the moment you click your character portrait, you agree to PvP in some shape or form, be it through marketing, production or combat.
Whinge is a word, so there 
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Chesty LaRoue
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Posted - 2007.04.20 14:26:00 -
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You can't spell Consensual without Sensual <3
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Woddawick
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Posted - 2007.04.20 14:36:00 -
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Will you be patching this revelation several times, like CCP?
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.20 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Woddawick
Will you be patching this revelation several times, like CCP?
No we hope all our readers will be able to understand it the first time around.
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Rez Valintine
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Posted - 2007.04.21 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 20/04/2007 13:30:02
as your mastery of english increases you'll discover that a weiner is different again. as are a window, a wardrobe and a wellington. isn't language a beautiful fing?
Don't forget about the widget's aka. thingamajig.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.21 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
PvP is consensual in EVE in the same way that it's consensual in Counter Strike. That is, no-one forces you to turn on your computer and log in. But once you do that, you've consented..........
QFT.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.21 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Patch86
PvP is consensual in EVE in the same way that it's consensual in Counter Strike. That is, no-one forces you to turn on your computer and log in. But once you do that, you've consented..........
QFT.
i dunno what yall are ramblin about thats the exact same thing in my post, its not sarcasm.
:)
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Cute SpyGirl
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Posted - 2007.04.21 06:00:00 -
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Why are you soooo afraid of carebear? I love the mining, trading, buy/sell, hauling, day trading, manufacturing and yes most of all I love to chat. Last time I check carebear community is pretty strong. Trust me on this, it is not fun watching some troll humpin your avatar's legs in WoW. Did you see the female Ranger's dance in Guild Wars?--oh too bad.. Give us freedom in high sec, I guranteed you will have a robust community. Oh by the way Benji, if we meet again try not stare at me.. making comments like, "wow, you a real girl" doesn't get you any point.. mister IQ man.
-Cute
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DiuxDium
Loot
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Posted - 2007.04.21 06:57:00 -
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Edited by: DiuxDium on 21/04/2007 06:53:56
Originally by: jesus
Whinny carebears need to go back to mining veld, and spend less time crying on the forums about being "forced" to pew pew.
I think my quote'eeeeeee is superior.
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Also, he didnt even have a Scrambler, so the POS would have gotten away anyway. |
Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.21 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cute SpyGirl
Why are you soooo afraid of carebear? I love the mining, trading, buy/sell, hauling, day trading, manufacturing and yes most of all I love to chat. Last time I check carebear community is pretty strong.
-Cute
Sigh. I don't think anyone is "afraid" of carebears. I know the carebear community is strong, I actually follow that path myself. But I know that in this game, the path of the carebear is lined with pvpers waiting for an easy target. That is the real challenge.
Back in the day, I dodged m0o, I helped escort haulers through CA gatecamps (/me raises a toast to the memory of Shinra, cheers guys!), I sometimes hauled ammo on contract for 30+ jumps from Empire to deep 0.0 in the days before POS's. Sometimes I would jump into gatecamps just to sacrifice a very cheap clone while someone snuck a load of named goods to Empire.
I've ninja-mined lowsec space dodging Samirol (is he still around) and Ore Mongers, lost dozens of ships (at least) to protect miners, and in my long series of accounts I've probably mined in every npc sovereignty.
But in the end, when I run my own corp, I still pod every new player who joins, just so they experience it. (and yes I do warn them beforehand) Because in Eve, you can be a carebear, but risk aversion is not good in Eve particularly for carebears. When you accept that mantle, you accept the target that goes with it, and the knowledge that you will never be able to adequately defend yourself-- you need to rely on others, who in turn rely on your skills since they are off training that Large Energy Turret to 5 and figuring out how the latest patch affects balance in ship loadouts.
Believe me, sometimes being a dedicated carebear is something that should bring high respect because of the sacrifices it entails. But in Eve it also means that you make those sacrifices. I don't see people being afraid of carebears. We are seen as prey. What concerns people is a world full of nothing but prey, because then the predators become fat and lazy and there is nothing to separate the competent from the incompetent.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.21 10:19:00 -
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what is with all these oddbal threads
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.21 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Callthetruth
what is with all these oddbal threads
Insomnia?
A community undergoing constant transition and redefinition with continued growth?
Something in the water?
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.21 10:24:00 -
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privateer alts that are bored
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