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Lancress
Nasranite Watch
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Posted - 2011.12.27 02:00:00 -
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Hello fewllow capsuleers.
I have succesfully kept myself away from traditional FW drama pvp, but this thought i have to share because of actions from my dear enemy.
Let's take a typical FW scenario :: A hostile frigate pilot finds me and my plex, comes in his meta guns blazing, certainly against all odds to meet my veteran fitted ship. After a half minute of enjoyable dancing his ship lies in pieces as expected.
While writing gf's in local, this rookie fails to warp his pod to safety.
Dilemma ensures:
Should i really reward this brave pilot by ruining his day and forcing him to spend isk and time just to recover his clone, without talking about reshipping from God-knows-where -region just to get back in the fight?
As for me, i have no personal or tactical reason to keep him off the field. Afterall a killmail from a pod is just another number, expensive or not, it really does not change my gaming experience. To his nice afternoon solo roaming, it certainly will.
Of course i have met several pilots who deserve to have such lesson, or pilots who are in such key position that every action against their morale should be taken.
..Still.. A silent day honor pvp what involves only you and him ... well ... To show a true GF to your enemy, we shouldn't be that killmail hungry.
Opinions? |
Mathilde D'Arc
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
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Posted - 2011.12.27 02:28:00 -
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It's certainly not an amoral or evil act, but some people see it as a very violent thing to do.
If you don't see any value in podding an opponent then simply don't. You won't feel any better for doing it even if you consider it part of the war effort in reducing opposing factions wealth for future engagements.
Having said that, in a PVP environment outside of arranged honourable combat there is no reason not to pod, especially if they don't even try to get out in time.
The only other reason not to pod is if you know they make vids and like their vids :) |
Yuri Szarkhov
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.27 02:43:00 -
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Getting podded is a lesson, I don't doubt that many pilots would shoot the pod without warning.
If you're not that interested in taking his pod, simply add to local: "Next time get your pod out, or I or another pilot will shoot it."
Lesson learned, if it's not taken seriously then he'll lose a pod in the next fight. Either way I'd advise taking the pod if you meet him again after such a warning as a point of doing what you say you'll do. |
Radcjk
Failed Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.12.27 03:39:00 -
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If you have the security status to take the hit, or it is a non-issue anyway, always take the pod. Always.
You say you have no relevant reason to remove from the field, but if he is in a gang, he's a warp in point. The steel egg sitting 12 kms away from you just became the warp to 10 km point after he tells his buds he didn't pull it off solo. No need to probe, just enter system and go.
1: Information denial. A pod still has vision of the grid, or alternatively a scanner, with which to report to friends.
2: Make it hurt as much as possible. Pod the guy, and no implants are no big deal. Big implants are big lols.
3: Send him on his way so that he has to reship, hopefully far away. If he lives next door, he wastes time reupping his clone (if hes smart). Not a lot of time, but every little bit can count.
4: Demoralize them. This isn't an issue which longer lived characters / players, but when a dozen rookies come for you and your gang and every kill gets podded ASAP, the next the guy may or may decide it isn't worth it.
5: In my opinion, any one worth killing is worth killing completely.
Now, all of these or none of these may not apply to a situation. You may demoralize a noob pirate, but no real loss in implants. Or yo may toast an veteran characters implants (not that most will stick around, but **** happens) but its lols for him because he has money to spare... but his next ship is 5-12 jumps out, so it'll be a minute before he's back, or his buddies, also older characters, cant warp right to him.
Or none of these at all take place, but the probability of enough of them taking place enough of the time make it worth while for me to pod everything I see. |
Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
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Posted - 2011.12.27 04:36:00 -
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In FW it's probably just a jerk move. In wormholes, where I spend most of my time, getting podded can be very, very bad. You can lose everything because of one silly pod loss.
That said, podding newbies just means they'll have to spend more time worrying about ISK. That means less time PVPing. And that means less targets for you.
I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.27 13:10:00 -
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If the pod doesn't warp before you lock it then you kill it.
I really don't understand the reluctance of people to podkill when you get no sec hit.
If its a newbie pod then you've probably caused more financial damage to the guy by killing his ship than the pod.
Medical clones are dirt cheap for newbies and if you fit implants then that's your own choice.
Quite apart from anything else a pod can relay plenty of info to fleet and I've seen people FC from a pod more than once.
tl;dr pod is no different to ship |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2011.12.27 13:21:00 -
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well ... podmercy is luxury nobody will give u and u can give to anyone ... personaly prefer pod ransom ... am I a bad guy?
I dunno ... i am screaming get the pod get the pod ;)
PS: u r taking it too serious ... when I was noob nobody asked me if i like to be poded .... and nobody is asking me now ....
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.27 14:41:00 -
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In prolonged conflics like FW, sometimes it's advantageous to come off as honorable. If word gets around that you hesitate to pod the enemy, they might return the favor. Not all of them, but enough that it might work for your advantage. Besides, this guy sounds too rookie to have implants of any value, so it's not like you'd be padding your killboard or costing him enough isk to matter.
What I would probably do: Lock up his pod, do a silent five-count to give him time to run once he realizes he's about to be podded, and then shoot if he doesn't flee.
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.12.27 14:55:00 -
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I'm still a noob in pvp but the way I look at it, once you blow up their ship, it's over. No need to blast their pod as well. Now if they have a really ****** attitude or or something, that's different.
On holiday. -áIn some other world.
Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours.
To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á
It was a sun |
Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2011.12.27 14:59:00 -
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The pod simply is a part of the kill, no more and no less. Only if people get some sort of emotional attachment to their pod does it cause whines, tears and laughter. Also, outside 0.0/WH space it's laughably easy to avoid being podkilled (unless someone came prepared with smarties) so it really is one's own fault if it happens.
There's no issue with killing pods.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
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Red Teufel
Blackened Skies
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Posted - 2011.12.27 15:47:00 -
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Mathilde D'Arc wrote:It's certainly not an amoral or evil act, but some people see it as a very violent thing to do.
If you don't see any value in podding an opponent then simply don't. You won't feel any better for doing it even if you consider it part of the war effort in reducing opposing factions wealth for future engagements.
Having said that, in a PVP environment outside of arranged honourable combat there is no reason not to pod, especially if they don't even try to get out in time.
The only other reason not to pod is if you know they make vids and like their vids :)
If you think he has good implants in pod him. they take longer to replace then a ship and if he comes back his ship stats will be less maybe giving you an advantage. Though if you like podding and want to do more of it the pirates life is for you  |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.12.27 15:56:00 -
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When he finds you in plex and attack you, he becomes enemy.
Enemies are to be destroyed without second thought.
The only excuses to let the pod live should be either your word, or security status hit. |
Rakk Andedare
Gallows Humor
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Posted - 2011.12.27 23:50:00 -
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Being a noob pirate, I expect to get podded when things turn ugly for me. Its part of the game. Learn to get out when the ship goes boom.
Helping to make high sec a scarier place; one carebear at a time. |
Ispai Ponue
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.28 01:08:00 -
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Lancress wrote:Hello fewllow capsuleers.
I have succesfully kept myself away from traditional FW drama pvp, but this thought i have to share because of actions from my dear enemy.
Let's take a typical FW scenario :: A hostile frigate pilot finds me and my plex, comes in his meta guns blazing, certainly against all odds to meet my veteran fitted ship. After a half minute of enjoyable dancing his ship lies in pieces as expected.
While writing gf's in local, this rookie fails to warp his pod to safety.
Dilemma ensures:
Should i really reward this brave pilot by ruining his day and forcing him to spend isk and time just to recover his clone, without talking about reshipping from God-knows-where -region just to get back in the fight?
As for me, i have no personal or tactical reason to keep him off the field. Afterall a killmail from a pod is just another number, expensive or not, it really does not change my gaming experience. To his nice afternoon solo roaming, it certainly will.
Of course i have met several pilots who deserve to have such lesson, or pilots who are in such key position that every action against their morale should be taken.
..Still.. A silent day honor pvp what involves only you and him ... well ... To show a true GF to your enemy, we shouldn't be that killmail hungry.
Opinions?
One word: ransom. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.28 01:13:00 -
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(For low sec only) FW enemy? Pod it. Pirate? Pod it. Anything else? Let it go.
I expect everyone to try and pod me. |
Stalking Mantis
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.12.28 01:26:00 -
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I make it a point not to pod in an agreed 1v1. I don't force the my opponenet to give me the same privilage but I think an honored 1v1 deserves respect to the opposing pilot. |
Tierany Ornulf
Malicious Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.12.28 02:11:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:[i] I expect everyone to try and pod me.
Isn't that the truth =P
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Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe
Band of Abos
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Posted - 2011.12.28 03:15:00 -
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Most people will pod without a second thought, so by not doing the same to a newbie you are getting them into bad habits. If you pod him, next time he might learn to spam the warp button when he's at 50% structure instead of sticking around, and he'll be better off in the long run for it. |
Ateab792
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.28 03:48:00 -
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Just kill them. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:10:00 -
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Generally, If its an experienced player or mission runner I always go for the pod. My reason, podding them can prevent a fast re-ship. And a mission runner can afford it.
If it's a new guy I don't. Or I lock them up to get them to move. If its an experienced player and you've just had an epic 1v1 and you won, but your guns are burnt out, your hull is venting atmosphere and you're heart is beating like mad......then I let them go. As that was an awesome fight and as a mark of respect I wouldn't go for pod.
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Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:16:00 -
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I usually won't pod in lowsec because :myprecious: sec status. |
Craggus
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:14:00 -
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Who cares. If I can lock them in time, I pod them. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:24:00 -
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There is nothing unethical/amoral about podding someone in EVE Online - especially if you are at war with each other. Obviously if it is tactically or strategically advantageous to pod someone then do it.
However, if the other guy isn't a jerk and gives a gf I would give them a few seconds before trying to pod them.
OR you could put a point on them and ransom them  |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
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Posted - 2011.12.29 14:30:00 -
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Fly only what you can afford to lose...including implants.
I will ALWAYS go for the pod (and expect the same in return).
My only exception - an agreed to, arranged 1v1. |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:08:00 -
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Radcjk wrote:1: Information denial. A pod still has vision of the grid, or alternatively a scanner, with which to report to friends.
2: Make it hurt as much as possible. Pod the guy, and no implants are no big deal. Big implants are big lols.
3: Send him on his way so that he has to reship, hopefully far away. If he lives next door, he wastes time reupping his clone (if hes smart). Not a lot of time, but every little bit can count.
4: Demoralize them. This isn't an issue which longer lived characters / players, but when a dozen rookies come for you and your gang and every kill gets podded ASAP, the next the guy may or may decide it isn't worth it.
5: In my opinion, any one worth killing is worth killing completely.
You forgot:
6) Less whining in local
ofc I've shot a lot of pods so I might be a bit biased... |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:43:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:Fly only what you can afford to lose...including implants.
I will ALWAYS go for the pod (and expect the same in return).
My only exception - an agreed to, arranged 1v1.
Friggin pirates....  |
EMO JAck
KOS Coyotes
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:19:00 -
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Pod them kill them all. The more you cost them the more you slow them down. Take what you can give nothing back. Loot the wreck pop it if you cant carry it. Show them no mercy once they get away you can have a nice respectful chat but make no mistake I will kill you. |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:03:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:Fly only what you can afford to lose...including implants.
I will ALWAYS go for the pod (and expect the same in return).
My only exception - an agreed to, arranged 1v1. Friggin pirates....
LOL...
Shoot, if you keep it up yourself...we'll have to start calling you Yarr Earthbender  |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:10:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:Garr Earthbender wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:Fly only what you can afford to lose...including implants.
I will ALWAYS go for the pod (and expect the same in return).
My only exception - an agreed to, arranged 1v1. Friggin pirates.... LOL... Shoot, if you keep it up yourself...we'll have to start calling you Yarr Earthbender
I think a new title was just born... |
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:13:00 -
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What, you guys don't keep a corpse collection?
But seriously, I pod to keep the enemy off the field and to hurt then financially. Just the way things are on the battlefield. I also except the same fully. |
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