This part is also bad. We don't need to make cloaked ships overpowered, and thus depopulate nullsec further than it already has.

If you'd read that thread, particularly the latter part, you'd have seen more objections against removing cloaked ships from local. Yes, removing local from them stops them from seeing what's coming, but that's easily circumvented by having a blue alt in system. What's worse is, however, that these cloaked gangs imply that those who actually inhabit a system has to watch all gates and all wormholes and keep an active anti-incursion gang going 23.5/7. We have a place for that, it's called wormholes.

And given all the extra work they'll have to do just to keep a system semi-safe, added with the lack of income and ecitement for those on guard duty, and I'd expect it'd take just a few weeks before nullsec's carebear population drains into hisec to make ISK there instead. I don't want nullsec to become even less populous than it already is, we've already seen the effects of the anom nerf on the population, do we really have to see the effect an increase in risk would have?

Unless, of course, nullsec is increased "somewhat" in profitability to make the extra work worth it. And even then I'm pretty sure we'll see a fair bit of carebears migrate back to hisec.

That would be me. Please be gentle on the quartering.

The idea was to find a middle ground regarding removing local and breaking cloaks which wouldn't affect wormholes (where there's already no issues). The idea of cloaked vessels truly disappearing would also end the "afk cloak" threads.

I'd prefer things be left alone and people grow some balls and stop whining because they're afraid of the person that's not at his computer, but in lieu of some of the horrible "break cloak" ideas that people were spewing out there (which would break wormholes by making them safer than high sec) I suggested that.

Are you talking about the idea in here? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23439&find=unread

I'm sure it suits you just fine, especially if you're literally salivating at the thought of all the juicy carebears you'll be able to gank without spending much time or energy softening up the system beforehand

It's just a pity you're not thinking of the long-term effects this will have.

I've spent enough time in WHs to know that most nullsec carebears do not want the massive expenditure in time and energy and loss of income to play a game. If they were, they'd be in wormholes, where the rewards are higher than they are in nullsec.

Very few people do. And a big reason is there is no local there.

That means you have to fit a scanner to find any wts - which not only gimps your ship but is more of a hassle than anything fun. You can't quickly tell if there is even anyone there let alone anyone to fight. You can't tell if there is a blob there cloaked and ready to gank you. You can't pve there without hitting the dscan button like some sort of OCD imbecile.

These are only a few of the reasons 93% of eve subscribers prefer to play eve where there is a local.

Check the QENs

About 7% percent of players decide to go live in no local worm holes. If my figure are accurate will you agree that it is a bad Idea to force this on everyone?


Also your saying you would keep local in low sec and high sec?

Your reading ability is impeccable. I've said that if you are going to change hisec incursions, then reduce the payout, but do not remove or move it from hisec, because it's the best way to train hisec dwellers in group flying, without actually losing ships left, right and center.

I, personally, am all for making hisec less profitable, but again, you have to consider the effects it'll have on a game population which has come to expect the payout they get in hisec. If anything, I would assume it'd be much more successful to actually up the rewards in nullsec.


Jesus Christ, you did not just say that. You should be ashamed of yourself for saying that.


There's a reason it's "ignored". It normally ends up being awful ideas, like all "remove local" ideas are.

Bye. Don't let the forum unlog button hit you on your way out.