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Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.20 11:49:00 - [1] I was prompted to post by seeing an auction for a 10.5km smartbomb with a reserve of 6bn isk. Why would anyone pay this kind of isk for a single module when it is 3 times the cost of any ship you would put it on (assumnig that anyone with resources to get a titan or MS would have access via its own members to such things)? I am infamous within my corp for the cheapness of my fittings because I just cannot understand the point of putting on pricey mods. I will use (cheap) t2 guns/launchers as the t2 ammo is sometimes essential for the range bonuses (I trained HAM II mainly because the launchers a 1/3 the price of heavy launcher II ) but other than that pretty much everything I fit is t1 or relatiely cheap named stuff. Of all the ships I have lost there has only been 2 instances where an extra bit of tank would have made any difference, normally in pvp you either pwn or get totally pwnd and so why drop more than twice the cost of the ship on fittings when it is 95% unlikely to save you in any event. Does everyone just have a lot more isk than me and likes to throw it around, is it the bling factor or do people actually think that they need these things? Would also be interested to hear from people that have lost really expensive fittings and the circumsntaces for it or whether a particular mod has saved their bacon. Discuss.
Caffeine Junkie Caldari The Ministry Of Funny Walks	Posted - 2007.04.20 11:53:00 - [2] Edited by: Caffeine Junkie on 20/04/2007 11:49:55 Sometimes it is worth it yes in certain scenarios. Certainly long range scramblers / webbers give you options and flexibility in a fight. Pith X-Type XL Shield Booster Pith X-Type Shield Boost amp HG Crystal Set Nothing else comes close to boost per cycle. ___________________ ...and its "Armour" not "Armor" ... m'kay! passive armour-tanking ftw! ;-)
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2007.04.20 11:55:00 - [3] Well.. I use all T2 modules when missionrunning. Then they really help, especially when soloing lvl3 and 4 mission in the drake or raven (all aggro on an all passive t2 dmg specific shield tanked drake in lvl3 blockade without having to warp out at all might give you some idea on how helpful it really is). I would not fit t2 stuff to a pvp boat though, just for the simple reason that I can't afford buying a new set atm :)
Marquis Dean Indigo Fade	Posted - 2007.04.20 11:57:00 - [4] What you saw was an officer smartbomb, they are very rare and almost compulsory on supercapitals and some capitals, depending on how they are being used. They are very rare, and they cost a great deal. Being such an unlikely example, it isn't really a good example of how the mod market in general works. I go on four situations when fitting: 1/ T1 ship, T1 fittings (unnamed, unless named is cheaper or it doesn't fit), insured, I lose less than 5 mil when it pops, e.g: Drake, Cormorant, Scorpion. 2/ T2 ship (or T1 BS), full T2 fit unless the T2 is unreasonable (e.g: PDUs, BCUs), not insured but I never run them solo, and i'm more careful about checking the map for blobs. E.g: Harpy, Crow, Flycatcher, Eagle, Raven. 3/ T2 ship that costs alot and tends to yield much better results when fitted with a big budget. Full T2 except where faction stuff is fairly cheapish, best named T1 where it's better than T2 (e.g: EWar, Nos, etc). E.g: Faction-fit Pilgrim, Cerberus, Astarte. 4/ Running a mission: no risk, so Faction BS, full T2 fit. --- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.20 12:03:00 - [5] When you buy an expensive ship theres always that little nagging voice telling you to pimp it :E Whats the point in buying a HAC or a Command then putting lower quality modules on it? Like you say Fitz, the situations in which it actually saves your skin may be few and far between but if all your mates fit their ships well too it contributes to the whole gang performance. The benefit becomes exponential.
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG	Posted - 2007.04.20 12:05:00 - [6] I fit my ships properly, because I feel they last me longer which offsets the original cost. Not found an occasion when it hasn't been worth it yet! Dark Flare - Corpus PCG
Viktor VonCarstein Amarr Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.04.20 12:06:00 - [7] Part of it is bling. Part of it is essential especially in PVE where that Centus Repper or Gist shield booster can make all the difference. Same goes for PvP, Gist MWD on a crow snake snet with a Vaga and officer SB's on carriers, things like that can mean the difference between life and death in PvP. At the end of the day if you have the cash why not. Some also like to roleplay a little bit. With having Navy Mods on a Navy ship or Serpentis stuff on a Vindicator. So there are many reasons, most of the above apply to me to a greater or lesser degree and vary depending if itS PVE of PvP http://sprayandpray.xippy.co.uk
WYLEE C0Y0TE Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.04.20 12:12:00 - [8] I fit upper mid range mods on everything I own... Then again, I don't have a faction ship that screams for "Only the best" yet either... shrugs Originally by: Leikeze Mrotserif If it's personal, it's because of you. My Killboard
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.20 12:15:00 - [9] I can't imagine ms w/o officer smartbomb, same with titan --- Cheap paint ftw
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.04.20 12:24:00 - [10] You put those and the longest range webs imaginable on a mothership and you can make any camp cry... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.20 12:53:00 - [11] There are two categories of pimping 1. Functional Pimping - E.G The setup relies on a pimp mod changing tactics thus keeping the ship alive. E.g fitting a 28k scram on a nano curse, so you can orbit appropriatly and still nos baised upon the situation. A 24km scram may not cut it as you could still be in the optimal of the hostile you are attacking. Or even Titan with 10.5km smartbombs, which result in obsoleting many anti-titan stratagies. It could be arguned that t2 guns are a Funcitonal Pimp - Some setups around t2 guns would be obsolete if they used t1 guns. In other words - the Functional pimping means your ship/role/tactics take on a new light. 2. Pimping for the sake of Pimping This type of pimping gives the direct benifit. This can also be seen as t1 vs t2, as some people regard t2 is a pimp mod, due to price over t1. E.g This is where someone drops a, say 50% hardner for a 55% one. For some people Granted, that gives that extra bit of survivability. Whats the point? Lets imagine a couple of old fashioned armies fighting each other with swords. One group has pimped out with Armour and quality weapons. The other side has the attitude that lives are cheap and armour is expensive, so they turn up in rags and pichforks. Who do you think is going to win, assuming both sides have same tactical analysis? Every % counts in intense battles. I myself have survived in low structure many a times in my zealot, and I can guarentee you that I would have been dead otherwise. I seen even a Machariel survive with 3% Structure in one battle. -- Billion Isk Mission
Galen Silas Gallente Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.20 13:48:00 - [12] All I gotta say is don't fit a really good module on a ship you don't expect to last more than 10 decent fights. In otherwords don't fit Faction Blasters and armor mods on a Brutix. Brutix is nice but not worth that much. IMO Faction, Officer and deadspace stuff is best for the new tier 2 BS's, Command Ship, Some mods for Recons and Most for any Capital ship. NIIIIIIIIIIIICE!!
Ione Hunt Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.04.20 13:52:00 - [13] Here's what I do: - Kit most HACs/CBC/BS with standard T2 fittings. - Have "special" torphy-ships that are totally pimped out for special occasions. Most of the time I use standard T2 fittings, but sometimes you need a pimp ship. Like when you attack a BS, 2 BC, and a HAC in an EOS _______________
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.20 15:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord WarATron Detailed post You are in bob so I want to flame you, but I cant cos that was a really good post However, I still think I am going to stick with my named large shield extenders for a few thousand isk for my drake and leave the T2 ones on the shelf (though I may spring for a named damage control mod this time :)) Though next time I die I think I will just edit my loss mail to make everything T2 so Gobbins stops moaning at me for being such a miser. ;)
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.04.20 16:16:00 - [15] The only thing I'd add is that sometimes having that little bit extra turns into alot extra. For example shield extenders. I put it on, and my bonuses kick into effect, making the 5% difference between named and t2 turn into 10% or greater. Almost the same with cargo extenders, going from about 1k m3 named t1 to 1,200 with t2. That's 20% increase, mostly due to stacking (which even then provides more percent) but if it's a ship with say 5% per level to cargo capacity, that increase could skyrocket. -J --------------------------------- "He who 'hah hahs' last, 'hah hahs' best." - Nelson Balanced != Nerfed
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.20 16:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry I was prompted to post by seeing an auction for a 10.5km smartbomb with a reserve of 6bn isk. Why would anyone pay this kind of isk for a single module when it is 3 times the cost of any ship you would put it on (assumnig that anyone with resources to get a titan or MS would have access via its own members to such things)? I am infamous within my corp for the cheapness of my fittings because I just cannot understand the point of putting on pricey mods. I will use (cheap) t2 guns/launchers as the t2 ammo is sometimes essential for the range bonuses (I trained HAM II mainly because the launchers a 1/3 the price of heavy launcher II ) but other than that pretty much everything I fit is t1 or relatiely cheap named stuff. Of all the ships I have lost there has only been 2 instances where an extra bit of tank would have made any difference, normally in pvp you either pwn or get totally pwnd and so why drop more than twice the cost of the ship on fittings when it is 95% unlikely to save you in any event. Does everyone just have a lot more isk than me and likes to throw it around, is it the bling factor or do people actually think that they need these things? Would also be interested to hear from people that have lost really expensive fittings and the circumsntaces for it or whether a particular mod has saved their bacon. Discuss. Totally depends on the situation and the ship. For me at least, if it gives you a significant advantage over best named/t2 and you can afford it, of course you should use them. Example: Before Warp disruptor II's came out, I used faction warp disruptors on my Arazu, 2 of them actually (since this was back pre-wcs nerf). With the Arazu's 20% per level range bonus, the difference was huge between a 20km disruptor and a 28km disruptor. With Recon 5, you can get out to 40km with a T1 disruptor, or 56km with a 28km disruptor. Since 200mm rails with spike have an optimal of around 55k, it was even more important for me to be able to scramble from farther away, even if it meant my Arazu after ship, cloak, and mods cost half a billion isk. With the release of t2 disruptors, and the subsequent depletion of my wallet by losing a couple of half a billion isk recons, ive temporarily altered my setup to use T2 disruptors. 15 mil for those is much better than 100 mil+ for a faction one to gain 10km of scramble range. http://www.eve-ronacorp.com RONA Corp is Recruiting
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.20 16:24:00 - [17] simple answer is that its worth it if you can afford to lose it. some people have insane amounts of isk which is why they can afford items worth billions of isk. oh and that sb is an investment as its likely to be for a mothership and well worth the isk.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.20 16:32:00 - [18] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 20/04/2007 16:33:19 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Lord WarATron Detailed post You are in bob so I want to flame you, but I cant cos that was a really good post However, I still think I am going to stick with my named large shield extenders for a few thousand isk for my drake and leave the T2 ones on the shelf (though I may spring for a named damage control mod this time :)) Though next time I die I think I will just edit my loss mail to make everything T2 so Gobbins stops moaning at me for being such a miser. ;) I still remember flying alongside you back in the olden days of yore, sometimes with myself in setups so penny pinching that the enemy would be doing me an insurance favor by blowing me up. - Trust me, I know where you are coming from - Why buy 1 pimp ship, when you can buy 5 cheap ones?. Until I relised that I could take on 5 cheap ships in a pimp one and win But on a serious note, cheaper t2 now means that the buffer area between the "Great unwashed" using basic t1, and the pimpmobiles is going to get more narrow, so this is a good thing in the long run for more exciting battles, and obviously, less grind to get into those setups. -- Billion Isk Mission
Gol'D Roger Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.20 16:33:00 - [19] Edited by: Gol''D Roger on 20/04/2007 16:30:35 fly with pride, go faction XD faction ship + t2 guns with faction amo , faction mods that are reasonable. no mater if frig/cruser/bs . sum t2 ships are worth fiting t2 or faction and ofcours crappy t1 frigets must be fitted properly. for whot do you have your isk ? to buy sum stupid t2 bluprint to show of in your corp hou you are the bigest carebare and stuff or are you saving it for a state ishu raven >< you must get cool killmails or be a cool killmail.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.04.20 16:44:00 - [20] Nothing like pimping something out. With rigs, I get that feeling even more. Blow all yoru money on fun fits, get it blown up, *** for ISK, then do it all over again. Its whats such a blast about this game. Thing is, I try not to fall under 500mill. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Lucitia	Posted - 2007.04.20 18:11:00 - [21] In PVP if you get ganked your going to die no matter how good your modules are. They will only make a difference in low level fighting say 3-1 sort of odds (of course depending on a million variables), but 10-1 or so you might as well go down in a t1 ship and fittings. That way you get revenge from beyond the grave as they swear to each other in teamspeak about the crappy loot you left behind. But it's all ways nice to have a show pony
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.20 18:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Gol'D Roger Edited by: Gol''D Roger on 20/04/2007 16:30:35 fly with pride, go faction XD faction ship + t2 guns with faction amo , faction mods that are reasonable. no mater if frig/cruser/bs . sum t2 ships are worth fiting t2 or faction and ofcours crappy t1 frigets must be fitted properly. for whot do you have your isk ? to buy sum stupid t2 bluprint to show of in your corp hou you are the bigest carebare and stuff or are you saving it for a state ishu raven >< you must get cool killmails or be a cool killmail. Despite the spelling and grammer, this post is perhaps the best one in the thread. At the end of the day - isk is only good for fun, and what can be more fun than splashing out on ships -- Billion Isk Mission
Gol'D Roger Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.20 18:21:00 - [23] Edited by: Gol''D Roger on 20/04/2007 18:18:18 Edited by: Gol''D Roger on 20/04/2007 18:18:02 @ lucitia :bla , just look at the gangs in 0.0 thay consist mostly out of taklers, crusers and sum hac or bc. a proper fitted domi can give them a good fight. not the firstime a ganksquade wuld loos aginst a singal bs. ............................................. Tis is my forum alt. My acc are not running simultaneous. My charas are Hitokiri 'ger and skiganon

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.20 18:27:00 - [24] Basically, the "don't fly what you can't afford to loose" thing is good in 8/10 occasions; but for certain adventures, going full faction will give you bang for every isk. Plus, it is a game, and you've worked hard for your isk, so it sort of gives you the same feeling as unlocking that last car in GT. I draw the line at big fleet action; if I am going into a fleet battle, I'll go with T2 fittings, but for small gang roaming action, faction modules can be very fun, and might just tip the scales in an otherwise equal battle. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.20 19:16:00 - [25] The other thing to consider is whether your gang wins or loses vs. just considering whether you lose your ship or not. If you fit a T2 tank to your ship and get called primary, do you still die? Probably. But if you hold on another 20-30 seconds that's another 20-30 seconds your gangmates have before one of them gets primaried. Multiply that enough times and you can turn a battle even though you lose your ship. ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.20 20:19:00 - [26] I think it realy depends on the size of your gang, the smaller your gang is the more important it is to have good equipment. However as your gang grows in size it become less and less important untill you hit the point where combat happens inbetween lag when its best to just use t1 items. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
Lucitia	Posted - 2007.04.20 21:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Gol'D Roger Edited by: Gol''D Roger on 20/04/2007 18:18:18 Edited by: Gol''D Roger on 20/04/2007 18:18:02 @ lucitia :bla , just look at the gangs in 0.0 thay consist mostly out of taklers, crusers and sum hac or bc. a proper fitted domi can give them a good fight. not the firstime a ganksquade wuld loos aginst a singal bs. and not the first time a solo faction, or faction fitted battleship went down to a small gang of t1 ships with t2 guns.
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.04.20 21:35:00 - [28] ok i have to say yes for sure. I pimp the crap out of my ships, no point flyign a ship thatss only 50% effective. My last 3 fights have been... Full T2 Neutron mega v 2 uber passive tank drakes = almost kill 1, manage to escape through gate with 10% struct. Had i fitted rigs I could have taken then both. Full T2 neutron mega + sentries v Tempest, Myrm, nighthawk = almost kill tempest but die. Had i fitted rigs the prest and probnably the myrm would have died. Full T2 + rigged Ion hyperion v astarte, rapier, flycatcher = kill astarte, rapier and flycatcher escape leaving me with 60% struct. No rigs or no T2 and i'd have died for sure. On the other hand my vindi doesn't tank even 2x better than the hyp but costs over 10x! -----
Hannobaal Gallente Utopian Frontier	Posted - 2007.04.20 21:38:00 - [29] It depends a lot on the ship. For example, one of my 2 Ares interceptors has 2 auxiliary thruster rigs, a mwd II, and expensive named modules for speed and agility in the low slots (which for me, as a relatively newbish player, is expensive). But I wouldn't put that kind of equipment on a regular tech 1 frigate. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:01:00 - [30] personally i've never flown a ship that wasnt fitted with best named/T2 items even when i've not had the isk to reaplce what i'd lose if i lose my ship (and i've had all my ships except my current one blown up which is why i'm flying my current one supprisinly) it's not about if they'll help you win or lose it's about having that little more than the other person using my punisher as an example i went against another people who was PvP speced in small ships we had both been playing the same ammount of time and i was medium ship speced but not just for PvP and i won by the slightest of margins (i think i was on about 50% hull when i popped him/her) after looking at the loot the only difference was that i was using slightly better moduals and we were both in frigs set up for short range so yes they do give you a slight edge it's just a matter of if you think that slight edge is worth the extra million isk a modual even though it might not acctually help you if you come up against someone with more skill points invested into things that'd help kill you than you have sp invested in things that'd help kill them

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