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CarlitoBrigante	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:15:00 - [1] I know that the software house gain money but there are many angry players that don't understand why in this MMORPG is admitted this type of cheating. What we can do to stop this? Thank you very much.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:18:00 - [2] Originally by: CarlitoBrigante What we can do to stop this? You can start by searching the forums for a few million posts about this very thing. If I were to boil all those down they tend to be: - Steal from them as much as possible - Suicide gank them at every opportunity - Whine to CCP for a few years
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:37:00 - [3] Originally by: CarlitoBrigante I know that the software house gain money but there are many angry players that don't understand why in this MMORPG is admitted this type of cheating. What we can do to stop this? Thank you very much. You can start by petition any suspected macrominer(s) to the GMs. Please do note the word Suspect though. Not everyone believed to be a macrominer is one. He can simply be a hardcore miner. You know, some are hardcore PvPers. Some are hardcore mission runners. There are hardcore traders and hardcore producers. And yes, there are hardcore miners out there. The problem is though while rats spawn in belts pretty fast, and you can do unlimited with missions, complexes respawning relatively fast, - a mined up astroid belt can take days to replenish. That is one of the reasons we see lots of roid fields stripped. After all, its pretty easy to clean a belt today in a hulk and a hauler. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Haxa Confederation of Red Miners Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:50:00 - [4] Im antimacro mining but tbh, after all the posts from the years of archives, all i hear in these new posts is blah blah blah
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:19:00 - [5] Heres a fun trick I pulled on a macro the other day, highly recommended for the ones who arent completely asleep at the wheel (but dont abuse it vs real players, as that wouldnt be nice): So I was chillin in my home system when I noticed a lot more than the usual number of folks (usually only 2-3 other than me). I info'd some of them and noticed the usual signs of macro on half of them, i.e. funny names all in npc corps made the exact same time, etc. Scouted it out, they were in diff belts with one guy manually hauling for all 3. This dude was smooth, too bad his miner fleet sticks out like a constructive post in COAD. Petitioned, then got my combat char, went out flipped the can on one of his covetors and left. Got my recon, came out cloaked and sat about 5km off the can and waited. Like I said the guy was trying to be inconspicuous, but a full jetcan of macro ore in a seemingly empty belt was just too good for his itty 5 to pass up. Dont think he was expecting a falcon to come out of nowhere with the gangbang though. I dont much like macros as they make it harder for people (particularly new players) who try to play legit. Too many MMOs get ruined when gold farming becomes dominant and the only way to not suck is to send a few hundred bucks off to the local sweatshop. Plus I got a pair of t2 expanders out of the deal so I cant complain. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
lofty29 Athanasius Inc. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:28:00 - [6] Onos, theyre making things cheaper!!!11!1!!!11!1!1!1 --- Sig under maintainance
Angry Alt Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:43:00 - [7] Edited by: Angry Alt on 20/04/2007 23:39:38 In other news...Drones are broke, eve has lag, npcers suck, pvpers suck, nerf everything, nerf nothing and my buttocks itch.
Caldari Online	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:51:00 - [8] would probably not even take 1 member of ccp dedicated to macromienrs to get rid of the problem he could instantly report to macromining reports, check it out, insta ban those charactors, better yet wait for this to add to their suscription and then ban them on that day
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Caldari Online would probably not even take 1 member of ccp dedicated to macromienrs to get rid of the problem he could instantly report to macromining reports, check it out, insta ban those charactors, better yet wait for this to add to their suscription and then ban them on that day Or, that same person could be used to support the actual players of the game. But I'd love to see an active group of GM's that cater especially to players who farm ISK for the purpose of selling it. It would have a drastic positive impact on EVE.
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:02:00 - [10] Yes, macromining is a real issue in a game where hundreds of billions of isk were allowed to enter the economy through exploitation of bugged complexes. Bots are the reason Trit has gone up by 0.01 isk per unit __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Ling Xiao Yes, macromining is a real issue in a game where hundreds of billions of isk were allowed to enter the economy through exploitation of bugged complexes. Bots are the reason Trit has gone up by 0.01 isk per unit ISK Farmers moving to doing missions rather than mining have caused pye to skyrocket.
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:16:00 - [12] Originally by: voogru Or, that same person could be used to support the actual players of the game. But I'd love to see an active group of GM's that cater especially to players who farm ISK for the purpose of selling it. It would have a drastic positive impact on EVE. 1. WHAT positive impact? The prices for low/mid end minerals already higher than ever... 2. Are you ready to pay, say, 5$ more every month to fund these GM's? Are you sure EVERY EVE player also agree to pay more just for that?
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Lenaria 1. WHAT positive impact? The prices for low/mid end minerals already higher than ever... 2. Are you ready to pay, say, 5$ more every month to fund these GM's? Are you sure EVERY EVE player also agree to pay more just for that? 1. Are you suggesting that farmers are good for EVE because they tank mineral prices? 2. Hiring one person at CCP would not cost $5/player unless you think that the person who does that job should be paid $600,000+/year.
syphurous Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Hiring one person at CCP would not cost $5/player unless you think that the person who does that job should be paid $600,000+/year. I think they should only be paid that if I'm the person doing the job. ______________________________
4 Hire	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:44:00 - [15] Edited by: 4 Hire on 21/04/2007 00:41:54
Vasta Valdreth	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h 1. Are you suggesting that farmers are good for EVE because they tank mineral prices? While this is not the intention I do feel that the average miner feels their trit/time to aquire is is worth more than most people want to pay for it. The problem is that because of what people who mine trit legit charge for their ore you cant build a ship for the price it can be insured 100%. Which the whole point of platinum insurance was to cover the whole value of the ship if I am not mistaken. So I think its time CCP re-evaluated their insurance policies perhaps made an algorithm to adjust max insurance amounts to cover the values of the ships. Maybe I am crazy but as long as trit prices remain high there is no way in hell a ship producer can keep producing battleships for a profit. And personally I wont pay more for a BS than I can insure it for and I am not the only person who thinks that way. For some of the more veteran players this might not be a problem as they have already made an isk base to work with but newer players have problems getting ships they can fully insure. Any Comments?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.21 01:12:00 - [17] Originally by: lofty29 Onos, theyre making things cheaper!!!11!1!!!11!1!1!1 try to read that backwards.
JADE DRAG0NESS	Posted - 2007.04.21 01:18:00 - [18] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: lofty29 Onos, theyre making things cheaper!!!11!1!!!11!1!1!1 try to read that backwards. My head is hurting
Caligulus Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.21 01:21:00 - [19] Bad english damage brain. aaaarrghhhh
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.21 01:41:00 - [20] NO WAI!!!!1 . . . . Did you bother to search the site first, right? You do know there are a handful of blogs addressing this, don't you? Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.04.21 01:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Lenaria Originally by: voogru Or, that same person could be used to support the actual players of the game. But I'd love to see an active group of GM's that cater especially to players who farm ISK for the purpose of selling it. It would have a drastic positive impact on EVE. 1. WHAT positive impact? The prices for low/mid end minerals already higher than ever... 2. Are you ready to pay, say, 5$ more every month to fund these GM's? Are you sure EVERY EVE player also agree to pay more just for that? Positive impacts of going after ISK Farmers: 1. Real players doing the mining, prices will go higher, more players will start mining again until prices stablize. Theres plenty of low end ores in empire. 2. Less inflation from farmers doing missions, low end ore prices are higher than ever because a majority of the ISK farmers that used to mine, now do level 4 missions. CCP is supposly changing the missions to item rewards rather than ISK, the thousands of ISK farmers doing level 4 missions every day all day long have had a significant impact on inflation. And YES, I would gladly pay $5 more every month to play EVE, if I did not have to see the following players in local every time I looked: dajdasjdiasd pjfjijfiwjf poewkjpodkewd woanghaonima jdoiwdjwodw chongdonglongwai waixaonimaoa
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.04.21 02:15:00 - [22] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 21/04/2007 02:12:59 Originally by: Vasta Valdreth Originally by: Imperator Jora'h 1. Are you suggesting that farmers are good for EVE because they tank mineral prices? While this is not the intention I do feel that the average miner feels their trit/time to aquire is is worth more than most people want to pay for it. The problem is that because of what people who mine trit legit charge for their ore you cant build a ship for the price it can be insured 100%. Which the whole point of platinum insurance was to cover the whole value of the ship if I am not mistaken. So I think its time CCP re-evaluated their insurance policies perhaps made an algorithm to adjust max insurance amounts to cover the values of the ships. Maybe I am crazy but as long as trit prices remain high there is no way in hell a ship producer can keep producing battleships for a profit. And personally I wont pay more for a BS than I can insure it for and I am not the only person who thinks that way. For some of the more veteran players this might not be a problem as they have already made an isk base to work with but newer players have problems getting ships they can fully insure. Any Comments? I think insurance prices do actually adjust themselves based on average mineral prices. Of course CCP needs to be careful with this as people put one unit of trit up for a billion ISK to fudge the averages but there are a variety of ways to account for that. It is T2 ship prices that were out of sorts with their base mineral costs that made insuring them a waste. Invention has helped bring those T2 prices down but still nowhere near their base cost. Of course no way to fix that really as it could be exploited if CCP tagged insurance to prices. If trit prices are high more people will mine trit. There is a balance the market would find. Actually if the prices rose there would be a bit more profit building T1 ships which are near a commodity now. With some play in the mineral prices and more people bothering to do it all sorts of possibilities open up for builders to find a niche and miners to be arsed to go to the effort. As it stands better to farm missions all day and sell the minerals. The drones (and drone regions by extension) have killed the high end mineral market (and no...I do not 0.0 mine so am not whining on my behalf...benefits me actually but still think it's bogus).
Kiviar Caldari Dirty Sanchez Ltd	Posted - 2007.04.21 04:49:00 - [23] Originally by: CarlitoBrigante What we can do to stop this? The obvious Forums are what?

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