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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1928
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Posted - 2017.01.28 10:46:04 -
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I am quite sure, that should Aldrith and Admiral Lok'ri be of the opinion that PIE should withdraw from the militia, that persons such as Mizhara would LOUDLY and REPEATEDLY use that as a stick to beat PIE with.
"Lo, the Praetorians have no principles and refuse to fight for Holy Amarr. Truly the golden fleet is nought but paint." etc. etc. etc.
Because, as the IGS shows, LOUDLY and REPEATEDLY beating the proverbial dead horse with a stick, never, ever, gets old.
Why, we've been beating the same dead horses so long, we've ground the bones to dust.
And yet, we still beat them ! With a stick that has surely worn down to a nub by now.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
236
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Posted - 2017.01.28 13:09:40 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Agiri Falken wrote:Posting mission relevant information on a public board...
Good job...
Yeah...
*Snerk* I suppose it counts double if they actually pull it off, though. Double WHAT, is the question, kirjuun. |

Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
457
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Posted - 2017.01.28 13:14:39 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:It's not like the crews in nullsec and the militias are somehow disconnected from the rest of the baseliner population. Who doesn't know somebody who knew somebody who worked shipside and died? These years, when you're a baseliner, you can't go a day browsing galnet without seeing a crew recruitment ad or an education package that leads to a crew tour through contract. On top of that, recruiters for both local rat crews and capsuleer crew pools show up in person in a lot of towns to hard-sell. It's not a dead clone or two floating around in space after a fight that makes the pendulum war a bloodsport. I don't know if it's different in the State and Empire, but in the Republic and Federation there are a lot of things we can change about how our crews are recruited, managed, and compensated, if we choose to. There are some legal limits to mitigate possible damage to planetary economies, but those laws are themselves more limited in scope than they might seem. And then there are the choices we make in space: whether to fly a Gallente ship or not; whether to take a crew on your frigate or accept the hazards of going without; whether to get in CreoDron's good books or ORE's and negotiate for access to experimental automation upgrades; what engagements to get into; what you're willing to risk lives for. But of course it's easier to forget anything past your in-pod Neocom exists. The short answer is; The militia is entirely voluntary, to the best of my knowledge. Anyone who knows differently, feel free to correct me.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
514
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Posted - 2017.01.28 19:35:26 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Her usual schtick. You're one to talk. |

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1931
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Posted - 2017.01.28 19:40:12 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Her usual schtick. You're one to talk.
No u.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
526
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Posted - 2017.01.28 20:25:36 -
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If you had ever had the pleasure of sharing my company, you would know that beer would not have been on the table.
I do hope I get a chance to kill you, Blood Raider.
Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family.
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
319
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Posted - 2017.01.28 21:28:21 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote:The short answer is; The militia is entirely voluntary, to the best of my knowledge. Anyone who knows differently, feel free to correct me. It's also easier to say that instead of acknowledging that there's complexity in that "voluntary." |

Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
462
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Posted - 2017.01.28 23:03:57 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:The short answer is; The militia is entirely voluntary, to the best of my knowledge. Anyone who knows differently, feel free to correct me. It's also easier to say that instead of acknowledging that there's complexity in that "voluntary." I could say the exact same for a Federal Navy recruitment contract, Kolodi, and it would mean just as little in terms of meaningful exchange. Of course there's complexity. It's a legal agreement, same as any military or paramilitary organization.
I'll just cut to the chase, since my patience is limited nowadays...
Are you actually looking for a fruitful exchange? Or trying for a cheap shot? It feels like the latter, and I don't appreciate it.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
320
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Posted - 2017.01.29 00:49:09 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:The short answer is; The militia is entirely voluntary, to the best of my knowledge. Anyone who knows differently, feel free to correct me. It's also easier to say that instead of acknowledging that there's complexity in that "voluntary." I could say the exact same for a Federal Navy recruitment contract, Kolodi, and it would mean just as little in terms of meaningful exchange. Of course there's complexity. It's a legal agreement, same as any military or paramilitary organization. I'll just cut to the chase, since my patience is limited nowadays... Are you actually looking for a fruitful exchange? Or trying for a cheap shot? It feels like the latter, and I don't appreciate it. Oh. Sorry, I actually was talking about all crew recruitment: Republic, Fed, State, Empire, pirates, and capsuleers. |

Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
462
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Posted - 2017.01.29 01:36:20 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:The short answer is; The militia is entirely voluntary, to the best of my knowledge. Anyone who knows differently, feel free to correct me. It's also easier to say that instead of acknowledging that there's complexity in that "voluntary." I could say the exact same for a Federal Navy recruitment contract, Kolodi, and it would mean just as little in terms of meaningful exchange. Of course there's complexity. It's a legal agreement, same as any military or paramilitary organization. I'll just cut to the chase, since my patience is limited nowadays... Are you actually looking for a fruitful exchange? Or trying for a cheap shot? It feels like the latter, and I don't appreciate it. Oh. Sorry, I actually was talking about all crew recruitment: Republic, Fed, State, Empire, pirates, and capsuleers. Ah, that makes more sense. My apologies, then.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Pieter Tuulinen
Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle
7029
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Posted - 2017.01.29 05:40:25 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:The short answer is; The militia is entirely voluntary, to the best of my knowledge. Anyone who knows differently, feel free to correct me. It's also easier to say that instead of acknowledging that there's complexity in that "voluntary."
Well, I always got my crews from Mama-K directly. Still do, for that matter - it's just that the recruitment pitch has changed from "Join and murder evil Gallente invader scum" to "Join and murder evil Alien invader scum". Capsuleers are always going to get respondents to their adds - even freaks like Nauplius - simply because the damn money is so good. I sweetened the deal by paying benefits, insurances and other gratuities and salaries in isk - accepted everywhere - and paying out to kin in the event of death. No questions asked.
I've been running the same deal long enough that I get pretty good recruits, now. Most of 'em are volunteers in the sense that they signed up to make themselves a pot of gold. Some of them, I'm sure, are volunteers in the sense that they were voluntold that unless they signed up for the Capsuleer crew program, they might well be losing their jobs due to some sort of heinous screw up. No matter. I don't even unseal that part of the file - I just run them through my HR program and make sure they're full psychologically evaluated before I let them near a duty station.
If they break while I have 'em, then I do what I can to fix 'em and then I retire them. If they were broken before they got to me, then me and a couple of big Civire lads have a word with the recruiter via a length of metal piping. That's passing me goods that are unfit for the intended purpose and I treat it like any supplier breach of contract.
Are they volunteers? Really? I get my share of people that owe nasty sorts a lot of money. I get my share of people looking to forget a past error. I get my share of people who are out here because they have a sick wife or a sick kid or because their family had a grevious reversal of fortune. Does that make those people leveraged employees? No more than I'm leveraged - I've got a wife and kid to support. I've got employees who rely on me. I've got friends and comrades who need me.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3020
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Posted - 2017.01.29 14:42:42 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:The short answer is; The militia is entirely voluntary, to the best of my knowledge. Anyone who knows differently, feel free to correct me. It's also easier to say that instead of acknowledging that there's complexity in that "voluntary." Well, I always got my crews from Mama-K directly. Still do, for that matter - it's just that the recruitment pitch has changed from "Join and murder evil Gallente invader scum" to "Join and murder evil Alien invader scum". Mr. Tuulinen, I could only recommend to switch from Ufology broadcast channels to Caldari State news networks, then I will guarantee you will stop seeing latter and resume watching former.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
321
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Posted - 2017.01.29 19:33:03 -
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Interesting stuff, Mr. Tuulinen. Thanks for the perspective.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Are they volunteers? Really? I get my share of people that owe nasty sorts a lot of money. I get my share of people looking to forget a past error. I get my share of people who are out here because they have a sick wife or a sick kid or because their family had a grevious reversal of fortune. Does that make those people leveraged employees? No more than I'm leveraged - I've got a wife and kid to support. I've got employees who rely on me. I've got friends and comrades who need me. You're a capsuleer. You're already hugely wealthy and you're not risking your life. Those three facts you listed at the end don't put you on equal footing with any of those types you listed above. |

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2253
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Posted - 2017.01.30 08:10:26 -
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So, how is the operation to reclaim Auga going? Not to get the thread back on track, but it seems that we still control it....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
120
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Posted - 2017.01.30 10:27:57 -
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Thirty brave Matari Warriors held back the unstoppable Amarr religious fanatics equipped only with Firetails.
The outcome has been the complete re-assertion of control of Auga by the Minmatar and a civil war within the Amarr ranks.
I hope this answers your question. |

Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1793
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Posted - 2017.01.31 03:32:36 -
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Just a brief update from someone who is not completely insane:
This heretic has had Local Is Primary declare war on the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris and Black Armada. I'm not entirely sure why (besides him being a heretical lunatic) but I do know we will be hunting the alliance mercilessly for as long as we can. Death to traitors.
No honor for the honorless, No mercy for the merciless.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1950
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Posted - 2017.01.31 03:41:16 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Just a brief update from someone who is not completely insane:
This heretic has had Local Is Primary declare war on the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris and Black Armada. I'm not entirely sure why (besides him being a heretical lunatic) but I do know we will be hunting the alliance mercilessly for as long as we can. Death to traitors.
No honor for the honorless, No mercy for the merciless.
Sounds like PIE's made a scapegoat for the failure to take Auga from 30 Firetails.
I personally don't think this is going to be a problem for PIE.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1127
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Posted - 2017.01.31 03:55:41 -
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Okay, I'll admit it. This finally got me to have a full holosuite, couple of comfy lounge chairs and an actual snack dispensary installed in my quarters so I can tune in to the bloodsport feeds while off contract.
There will be giant foam fingers and stuff. |

Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1796
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Posted - 2017.01.31 03:57:01 -
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Actually, we did not really take part in the brief 'offensive' for Auga edeity's pathetic machinations mustered. We are quite content as long as original Amarr territory is out of danger of being occupied. A more accurate statement would be the blooder has tried to make a scapegoat out of us.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1127
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Posted - 2017.01.31 04:01:34 -
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You failed to join up and bring their ego the victory their bluster promised, like a good pet? Aldieboo, you terrible traitor etc etc. Or so I imagine their logic goes, at any rate.
I can't believe I am saying this, but this time I'm rooting for you guys. This cluster needs a better class of enemies. |

Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1796
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Posted - 2017.01.31 04:03:47 -
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Deep down inside, you were always rooting for us, Mizzy. You know we're cool.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Alex Hinkelmann
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
113
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Posted - 2017.01.31 04:11:10 -
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I wish the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris a swift victory over such a destabilizing entity. While I find it doubtful, should you require anything from us we will provide for our long-standing allies.
I-RED Executor || Operation Grey Steel© Overseer || Syndicate Stability Initiative II©
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
120
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Posted - 2017.01.31 06:29:44 -
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Alex Hinkelmann wrote:I wish the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris a swift victory over such a destabilizing entity. While I find it doubtful, should you require anything from us we will provide for our long-standing allies.
I would be impressed if they undocked. |

edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
120
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Posted - 2017.01.31 06:34:04 -
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To bring a little further clarity - the War declaration of my alliance on PIE was initiated from me. They are mean to me here in the IGS. It has nothing to do with Auga.
The war with Black Armada was not initiated by me, and is for completely different reasons which were announced elsewhere. It has a bit to do with Auga, but Auga being more the symptom rather than the cause.
I hope that helps improve the accuracy of your small petty ineffective slinging matches. |

John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation 404 Alliance Not Found
648
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Posted - 2017.01.31 06:45:14 -
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edeity wrote:To bring a little further clarity - the War declaration of my alliance on PIE was initiated from me. They are mean to me here in the IGS. It has nothing to do with Auga.
The war with Black Armada was not initiated by me, and is for completely different reasons which were announced elsewhere. It has a bit to do with Auga, but Auga being more the symptom rather than the cause.
I hope that helps improve the accuracy of your small petty ineffective slinging matches.
Mean to you? I'm sure there are plenty of Blood Raider sympathizers that would be willing to hug you. Might lift your spirits.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1127
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Posted - 2017.01.31 07:00:53 -
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Aldieboo is such a meanie. Poor little bleeders. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7043
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Posted - 2017.01.31 15:21:33 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:The short answer is; The militia is entirely voluntary, to the best of my knowledge. Anyone who knows differently, feel free to correct me. It's also easier to say that instead of acknowledging that there's complexity in that "voluntary." Well, I always got my crews from Mama-K directly. Still do, for that matter - it's just that the recruitment pitch has changed from "Join and murder evil Gallente invader scum" to "Join and murder evil Alien invader scum". Mr. Tuulinen, I could only recommend to switch from Ufology broadcast channels to Caldari State news networks, then I will guarantee you will stop seeing latter and resume watching former.
The Drifter are as alien as anything we've ever encountered, Diana. Their technology is alien. Their motivations are alien. Their loyalties are alien. They have no language that we've discovered and no discovered home in known space.
Stand me next to an Amarr Holder, Matari Shaman, Gallente Senator - I guarantee you I can find points of kinship with all of these. But a Drifter? If they aren't alien they are the nearest damn thing that we've ever discovered to it.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
527
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Posted - 2017.02.02 00:29:29 -
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edeity wrote:the War declaration of my alliance on PIE was initiated from me.
As such, we have made this war mutual as we fully agree that the best form of communication between True Amarr and Blood Raiders comes in the form of lasers.
Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family.
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
202
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Posted - 2017.02.02 00:42:49 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:edeity wrote:the War declaration of my alliance on PIE was initiated from me. As such, we have made this war mutual as we fully agree that the best form of communication between True Amarr and Blood Raiders comes in the form of lasers. Or blasters, bro, 'cause, like, blasters are totally better, dude.
Glory to Bob
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
530
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Posted - 2017.02.02 00:53:47 -
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edeity wrote: I would be impressed if they undocked.
I would suggest that you be careful with such rhetoric. It has a way of backfiring.
Do give Tristan daCuhna my compliments for a pair of well fought destroyer engagements. It is truly a pity that he has decided to defend someone as truly damned as you are, Edeity.
Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family.
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