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Admiral Kroma The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2017.01.29 07:42:34 - [1] - Quote So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions. Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships. Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions? Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7
Digital Messiah The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy 400	Posted - 2017.01.29 09:38:29 - [2] - Quote First post the fit you are currently using, second Gallente are great for PVE. Rails are therm / kin locked but if you fly missions in caldari or gallente space you will mostly face rats that are weak to it. There are some very good gallente ships for both PVE and PVP and the battleships specifically Vindicator are highly desired for VG and HQ incursions. The Issue you are facing is most likely in your fitting or skills needing to be tuned up a little bit. Don't get discouraged though, level 4's are doable in a lot of things, hell even some frigs can manage. That however doesn't mean it wont take a great deal of time. Something clever
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 832	Posted - 2017.01.29 11:17:37 - [3] - Quote Your best bet would be either the Machariel(ACs) or Barghest (RHML or Cruise). Other good candidates is the Rattlesnake or Navy Typhoon. Marauders are pretty decent but realistically the Vargur is the most adaptable with the Golem in second, primarily due to application issues against smaller ships. Amarr ships generally do well in Sansha / Blood Raider only space, not as good outside of it. After that ships like the Dominix, Tengu, Tempest, Raven and many of the other BBs do OK. While rails/blasters are not really the best weapon system for PvE, you should be able to use the Gallente BB training on some of the Pirate hulls and the gunnery support skills are useful on the Mach. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
The Bigpuns Touring New Eden Haven. 237	Posted - 2017.01.29 19:59:40 - [4] - Quote You're a 2 month old character. Stop rushing it. You almost certainly don't have anywhere near the skills to be doing 4's in a bs. Drop back down to a bc, spend some time training your core skills, and grind 3's in the meantime.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2514	Posted - 2017.01.29 20:43:34 - [5] - Quote mega should be fine, hype or domi might be a bit better, but if lv4s are taking an hour it points to huge skill problems. @ChainsawPlankto
Kitty Bear Harbingers of Chaos Inc Triumvirate. 1587	Posted - 2017.01.30 04:12:18 - [6] - Quote Keep running L4's, having someone else fighting along side you will speed things up check out help my mission (channel & web page) focus your skill training first though only train skills that improve the ship and modules attached to it level 4 will be enough for most things unless you need a 5 to access another skill that your fit needs work on application (base tracking & + tracking mods) then do propulsion & tank then do damage (raw dps & + damage mods) then worry about utility (drones etc)
Wombat65Au Egdald R I S E 92	Posted - 2017.01.30 04:15:16 - [7] - Quote I'm inclined to agree with the others who are saying your skills are probably a bit weak for L4's at the moment. Flying Gallente ships with hybrid turrets isn't the problem. Gallente have some very solid ships. Without knowing your skill levels or your fit, it's really hard to give useful tips on how to improve. On the other hand, if you want details of what you need to do in each mission, look here: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
Admiral Kroma The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2017.01.30 04:17:45 - [8] - Quote The Bigpuns wrote: You're a 2 month old character. Stop rushing it. You almost certainly don't have anywhere near the skills to be doing 4's in a bs. Drop back down to a bc, spend some time training your core skills, and grind 3's in the meantime. skill injectors......and yes i have the skills....currently at 8.0 standing doing lvl 4....just taking a bit longer
Kethen T'val Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 26	Posted - 2017.01.30 07:20:53 - [9] - Quote Generally, you did pick the worst weapon system. Blasters lacks range against most rats and even against angels you will have to propmod alot to get into range due to the initial position of those rats. Rails have DPS issues. Train T2 sentries and the Domi will serve you well. Still not the fastest. If you are gonna stick to Hybrids you will have to make use of sentries to get to a respectable lvl of DPS. In that case you will be better off with the Hyperion.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 675	Posted - 2017.01.30 09:20:34 - [10] - Quote sorry to hijack this post, but can this loki fit do L4 missions in hisec for NPC corp standing improvements? [Loki, [OMG] Loki - T2 V1.0] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Cap Recharger II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Medium Shield Booster II 10MN Afterburner II 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Just Add Water

Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 834	Posted - 2017.01.30 11:52:22 - [11] - Quote Well first problem is you're mixing active and passive tanks. Rigs and Amps need to go / be replaced. You'll be better off with two specific active hardeners depending on mission. You are also using an armor subsystem on a shield tanked ship. The damage control adds very little extra tank, basically pointless. You're not using a cheap DEDspace shield repper either or a faction/DEDspace AB. Your DPS is pretty bad and you're using the wrong offensive subsystem, no drones and also wrong ammo type. Arties can work but ACs are probably better. Still we'll go with arties for this. So your fit has 242 dps (363 dps with correct ammo) and 178 omni ehp/s tank and is cap stable. This is borderline for most lv4s and might not be enough for some. The below fit has 577 dps and 300 omni ehp/s tank and is cap stable. Also has drones. Fit is probably not perfect but I'd start with this and adjust as needed. you can boost dps a bit more with faction gyros. If you don't have PG swap out a rig for more. The Burst Aerator adds very little in the way of dps. Could even replace for more application. [Loki, new] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Large Cap Battery II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M [Empty High slot] Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Hobgoblin II x5 PS. I built this with PYFA and not with EFT that I'm way more familiar with in case I did a dumb. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 675	Posted - 2017.01.30 12:01:16 - [12] - Quote Anize Oramara wrote: Well first problem is you're mixing active and passive tanks. Rigs and Amps need to go / be replaced. You'll be better off with two specific active hardeners depending on mission. You are also using an armor subsystem on a shield tanked ship. The damage control adds very little extra tank, basically pointless. You're not using a cheap DEDspace shield repper either or a faction/DEDspace AB. Your DPS is pretty bad and you're using the wrong offensive subsystem, no drones and also wrong ammo type. Arties can work but ACs are probably better. Still we'll go with arties for this. So your fit has 242 dps (363 dps with correct ammo) and 178 omni ehp/s tank and is cap stable. This is borderline for most lv4s and might not be enough for some. The below fit has 577 dps and 300 omni ehp/s tank and is cap stable. Also has drones. Fit is probably not perfect but I'd start with this and adjust as needed. you can boost dps a bit more with faction gyros. If you don't have PG swap out a rig for more. The Burst Aerator adds very little in the way of dps. Could even replace for more application. [Loki, new] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Large Cap Battery II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M [Empty High slot] Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Hobgoblin II x5 PS. I built this with PYFA and not with EFT that I'm way more familiar with in case I did a dumb. so ill snipe things with this right? the reason i used the armor subsys is for the slot. anyway, thank you so much! o7 Just Add Water
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 834	Posted - 2017.01.30 12:16:12 - [13] - Quote Well use AB to get to 15km, turn off AB and orbit. Use drones against frigates. Remember to use mission specific hardeners/ammo (use phased for Kin weak enemies). Most important skills to get is the subsystem skills to 5. With ACs you could get up to 700dps, just orbit at 5km. Heck you could do some weird frankenstein AC/HAM combo monstrosity with a mix of medium and light drones for 810dps. See what works the best for you. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
aldhura Vanilla.Corp 111	Posted - 2017.01.30 17:30:50 - [14] - Quote Admiral Kroma wrote: So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions. Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships. Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions? Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7 Post your fit. Its probably just a skills thing.
The Bigpuns Touring New Eden Haven. 239	Posted - 2017.01.30 19:53:44 - [15] - Quote Admiral Kroma wrote: The Bigpuns wrote: You're a 2 month old character. Stop rushing it. You almost certainly don't have anywhere near the skills to be doing 4's in a bs. Drop back down to a bc, spend some time training your core skills, and grind 3's in the meantime. skill injectors......and yes i have the skills....currently at 8.0 standing doing lvl 4....just taking a bit longer Ah yes, the skill injector, the source of many a noobwhine. Clearly you haven't spent enough cash on the game yet, cos even with all your 1337 sk1ll5, you can't do the most basic PvE content the game has to offer in a reasonable timeframe. If you aren't going to take advice (a), then advice (b) is: spend more = instant better. Also read some guides. Eve Uni do some excellent ones on damage application, tracking and the like, which may make a huge difference to your understanding of game mechanics. If you're new to Eve, there's a lot going on under the hood. If you want to compare Eve to other MMO's, Eve would be the Delorian from Back to the Future, the rest would be Tonka Toys(tm).
Admiral Kroma The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2017.01.31 04:51:31 - [16] - Quote aldhura wrote: Admiral Kroma wrote: So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions. Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships. Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions? Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7 Post your fit. Its probably just a skills thing. how can i post the fit that im using here?
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 675	Posted - 2017.01.31 05:05:29 - [17] - Quote Admiral Kroma wrote: aldhura wrote: Admiral Kroma wrote: So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions. Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships. Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions? Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7 Post your fit. Its probably just a skills thing. how can i post the fit that im using here? https://o.smium.org save it there and then export. you can also use PYFA and EFT but you need to download and install it in your PC first. Just Add Water
Admiral Kroma The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2017.01.31 05:25:26 - [18] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Admiral Kroma wrote: aldhura wrote: Admiral Kroma wrote: So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions. Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships. Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions? Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7 Post your fit. Its probably just a skills thing. how can i post the fit that im using here? https://o.smium.org save it there and then export. you can also use PYFA and EFT but you need to download and install it in your PC first. ok......dont know if the link works but thats a pretty good site....been using eve uni for fits but i think they havent updated that one at all this is the fit that im using, i know im training for T2 turrets at the moment....any advice can help if i need to change anything https://o.smium.org/new/4493904584808333312
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 675	Posted - 2017.01.31 05:46:32 - [19] - Quote Admiral Kroma wrote: ok......dont know if the link works but thats a pretty good site....been using eve uni for fits but i think they havent updated that one at all this is the fit that im using, i know im training for T2 turrets at the moment....any advice can help if i need to change anything https://o.smium.org/new/4493904584808333312 you can make an account in that site or you could just login via EvE SSO. Just Add Water
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 516	Posted - 2017.01.31 20:18:58 - [20] - Quote Admiral Kroma wrote: So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions. Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships. Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions? Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7 If you want to stay with your Gallente-ships, there are possibilities: 1. Use a Hyperion, it has a local rep bonus, so you can either go closer with your rails (more damage), or go all-out brawling fit with blasters and drones. 2. Maybe a Navy Megathron? Or try active tank / brawling fits with the normal Megathron, or with the Navy Megathron. 3. If your skills allow it: Dominix or Navy Dominix, use sentries/rails for long-range, heavy drone / blasters, or a more mellow rail / drone support fit. Other things of note: If you have a MJD for range control, you can concentrate more on DPS/damage application and jump yourself out of trouble if your cap or tank caves in. Use it! If you can't, learn the skill immediately, your future mission running will thank you. This also means you don't need perfect cap every time, just enough to stay in the fight for a while. Stay in optimal range and shoot, take in your drones and jump when cap/tank go down. Rep up, cap up, jump back in. (Or more likely, start shooting at the rats already creeping into range.)

Boozbaz Brutor Clan 35	Posted - 2017.01.31 20:44:08 - [21] - Quote Railguns have great DPS, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Artillery has the worst DPS. Missiles have okay-ish DPS. Lasers and Railguns both have great long-range DPS.
aldhura Perkone Caldari State 111	Posted - 2017.01.31 23:06:25 - [22] - Quote The linked fit has 2 empty lows, so not sure what goes in there. I would fit it like below. Not a big fan of dual tanking armor ships as its not as easy as doing it on a shield fitted ship. The reactive armor will adjust to the damage it takes. Not sure if you have tanking problems, but you can test ships on the test server for free. I prefer using the 350mm as they track better and apply damage better. The only place I use 450's is on my kronos. If you have tanking problems I would switch out the energized adaptive and DC for mission specific hardners [Megathron, lvl4] Large Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Reactive Armor Hardener Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script 100MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Tracking Computer II 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Atomic Virulent Dark Matter Industrial 180	Posted - 2017.02.01 01:33:21 - [23] - Quote You're in a Mega bro. Rails excel on Caldari. Megas were born to end ships foolish enough to come into blaster range. If you like the Mega go with a dual armor-rep and a dual web setup with as much relevant dmg resists as possible. If you enjoy range, you will clear Lvl IVs much faster with a sentry Domi. You have access to Faction Sentries immediately until you can get into T2. Just drop some Wardens, then as they approach drop Bouncers and then if any are still alive at that point drop some Gardes to finish them off. IMHO, aside from carrier ratting, sentry Domi was the fastest and safest way to clear Lvl IVs or even Anoms. Also, fit a MJD in-case things do get dicey. Even throw on a MWD to quickly loot the wrecks.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5251	Posted - 2017.02.01 02:04:04 - [24] - Quote Missions, missions... Blasters fare very poorly on Megathrons and Vindicators in missions, hence why most opt for rails. The Kronos is really the only ship where blasters shine on missions. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
aldhura Perkone Caldari State 111	Posted - 2017.02.01 04:14:30 - [25] - Quote Atomic Virulent wrote: You're in a Mega bro. Rails excel on Caldari. Megas were born to end ships foolish enough to come into blaster range. If you like the Mega go with a dual armor-rep and a dual web setup with as much relevant dmg resists as possible and set your guns into 2 groups. If you enjoy range, you will clear Lvl IVs much faster with a sentry Domi. You have access to Faction Sentries immediately until you can get into T2. Just drop some Wardens, then as they approach drop Bouncers and then if any are still alive at that point drop some Gardes to finish them off. IMHO, aside from carrier ratting, sentry Domi was the fastest and safest way to clear Lvl IVs or even Anoms. Also, fit a MJD in-case things do get dicey. Even throw on a MWD to quickly loot the wrecks. You shjould go find another game to play if you think a mega should use blasters.. I can bet you don't even fly a mega or use rails and a domi is the best option. The crazy suggestion of running rails on a or actually doing anything pve related in a caldari bs (rokh) is just hilarious...
Boozbaz Brutor Clan 36	Posted - 2017.02.01 05:35:11 - [26] - Quote "You shjould go find another game to play"
Ne0SHNIK NISMO RACING 0	Posted - 2017.02.01 06:25:29 - [27] - Quote Sentry Dominix is a great ship for L4 missions. Be sure to have different type of sentries and other drones, sensor booster for range targeting, omni links, and micro jump drive, 100mn afterburner.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5254	Posted - 2017.02.01 14:02:34 - [28] - Quote No, the Dominix is not great for L4 missions. Your DPS is going to range from the mid 500's with Wardens to maybe the mid 700's (and significantly less range) with Gardes. Most T1/T2 battleships will fall into the 800 to 1200 DPS range and some of the Pirate battleships even higher, so there are definitely better options. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ne0SHNIK NISMO RACING 0	Posted - 2017.02.01 14:46:01 - [29] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: No, the Dominix is not great for L4 missions. Your DPS is going to range from the mid 500's with Wardens to maybe the mid 700's (and significantly less range) with Gardes. Most T1/T2 battleships will fall into the 800 to 1200 DPS range and some of the Pirate battleships even higher, so there are definitely better options. Yes, T2 and Pirate ships are better. But from Gallente T1 BS - Dominix is the best for L4 missions. In fact, better than most other T1 ships. Domi can apply 100% sentry damage to frigs from far away unlike all of the missile boats. The OP has played for 2 months and only has gallente skills. Are you suggesting him a T2 BS?
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5254	Posted - 2017.02.01 14:51:48 - [30] - Quote Pretty sure I didn't suggest a T2 Marauder... But Rattlesnakes are very reasonably priced, and even with low skills you'll still be over twice what you'd be doing in a Dominix. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Sara Starbuck Adamantine Creations 37	Posted - 2017.02.02 11:50:28 - [31] - Quote Megas are fine, rails are fine, and Gallente has toptier pve lineup. Just dont mission in minmatar or amarr space due to npc resist profiles. And do use mission specific hardeners+ reactive, its really nice in pve.


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