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Sabre side Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2017.01.29 16:03:26 - [1] - Quote I for one want to thank Code for a few reason. I have lost several ships to them., to include 2 hulks. However, I am also build T1 and T2 mining barges to sell and they have drummed up a lot of business for me. I have made 35x what I have lost in a matter of weeks. Secondly, I would like to thank them for teaching me how to kill the miner killers.. The last 5 attempts to kill my alts has ended up in a win for me. My last successful concord assisted kill earned my a 3.7 million isk return on investment. So Thank you CODE for forcing me to play a little more defensive in my mining experience. PS I am currently selling Macha Mong Ruad's Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I x6 for half the price. They have only been fired and dropped once! Oh I am keeping the Mag Stabs and 333 rounds of Caldari Anti-matter charges. :)
Reinhardt Kreiss TetraVaal Tactical Group 165	Posted - 2017.01.29 16:11:13 - [2] - Quote Welcome to the real EVE.
Wolfgang Jannesen The Evesploratory Society 6	Posted - 2017.01.29 16:47:19 - [3] - Quote I've never seen CODE. do anything but react to insults like children
Jennifer Starblaze Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2017.01.29 17:17:38 - [4] - Quote Wolfgang Jannesen wrote: I've never seen CODE. do anything but react to insults like children And insulting ppl over space pixels is just as childish. No matter which side people are on, more often than not they all act like 5 year olds.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1454	Posted - 2017.01.29 17:34:08 - [5] - Quote Wolfgang Jannesen wrote: I've never seen CODE. do anything but react to insults like children Quote us some of these insults would you. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Eleonora Crendraven Global Communications AG 93	Posted - 2017.01.29 18:14:48 - [6] - Quote Reinhardt Kreiss wrote: Welcome to the real EVE. http://www.eve-outtakes.de/venture.jpg https://twitter.com/gcAG_EVE http://eveboard.com/pilot/Eleonora_Crendraven GëíGïüGëí "The prince of darkness is a gentleman. (3.4.148) "
Galaxy Duck Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing 288	Posted - 2017.01.29 18:19:07 - [7] - Quote OP, you mean you didn't feel bullied?!? You just adapted?!? Even though the game mechanics are SO UNFAIR???
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 1027	Posted - 2017.01.29 18:37:40 - [8] - Quote Wolfgang Jannesen wrote: I've never seen CODE. do anything but react to insults like children So what you are saying is, all I have to do to prove you wrong (given your use of the word never) is to react to this slight that you have given, this insult regarding our ability to handle insults as adults, in a mature and calm manner? I can do that.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 296	Posted - 2017.01.29 19:38:03 - [9] - Quote The Code is a boon to code-compliant miners. Every time a miner gets ganked, the number of people supplying minerals decreases (albeit temporarily) and the demand for minerals increases (the ganked miner and the gankers need new ships). This drives ore prices up, which miners who don't get ganked (because they're following the Code) can exploit. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us 112	Posted - 2017.01.29 19:39:46 - [10] - Quote can u stop looking so ... scary as well? o_O
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5795	Posted - 2017.01.29 19:51:11 - [11] - Quote Galaxy Duck wrote: OP, you mean you didn't feel bullied?!? You just adapted?!? Even though the game mechanics are SO UNFAIR??? And profited. Don't forget that. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Aiwha Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore 1213	Posted - 2017.01.29 20:14:52 - [12] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Wolfgang Jannesen wrote: I've never seen CODE. do anything but react to insults like children Quote us some of these insults would you. I like to ask if they're planning on entering the next AT. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Galaxy Duck Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing 290	Posted - 2017.01.29 20:27:01 - [13] - Quote Aiwha wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Wolfgang Jannesen wrote: I've never seen CODE. do anything but react to insults like children Quote us some of these insults would you. I like to ask if they're planning on entering the next AT. LOL what did you lose, man? Was it a jump freighter?
Aiwha Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore 1213	Posted - 2017.01.29 20:27:36 - [14] - Quote 10m isk on evebet. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri New Order Logistics CODE. 690	Posted - 2017.01.29 20:54:20 - [15] - Quote I'm not sure if it's a legitimate claim or a desperate attempt at damage control. Either way, it's a win for the Code.
Wallstreet J0urnal Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 8	Posted - 2017.01.30 00:00:35 - [16] - Quote Reinhardt Kreiss wrote: Welcome to the real EVE. LOL I'm glad we can form our own castle in the sand.
Sabre side Caldari Provisions Caldari State 7	Posted - 2017.01.30 00:20:55 - [17] - Quote Galaxy Duck wrote: OP, you mean you didn't feel bullied?!? You just adapted?!? Even though the game mechanics are SO UNFAIR??? Lol not really. They are making me money lol...
Sabre side Caldari Provisions Caldari State 7	Posted - 2017.01.30 00:22:29 - [18] - Quote Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote: I'm not sure if it's a legitimate claim or a desperate attempt at damage control. Either way, it's a win for the Code. and a win for me. I need people to keep buying my barges to fund how terrible I am at PVP... haha
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2017.01.30 00:53:20 - [19] - Quote code can lick my **** butkus at high noon in jita You want to put that WHERE...??? OK
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2017.01.30 01:06:14 - [20] - Quote Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote: I'm not sure if it's a legitimate claim or a desperate attempt at damage control. Either way, it's a win for the Code. Below code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita
Fek Mercer Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy 31	Posted - 2017.01.30 03:28:09 - [21] - Quote The only interaction I've had with code was calling them a support group for bullied kids needing an emotional outlet, to which they just resorted to calling me thier go to insult, a carebear miner
Qwerty Ernaga State War Academy Caldari State 18	Posted - 2017.01.30 10:17:58 - [22] - Quote My in-game friend used to be a miner like me. Then he got really angry about some other miners. He joined CODE and starter ganking miners. Within a month he left the game. I knew that would happen. He was just burned out and emotionally unstable at the time. I guess some people are permanently emotionally unstable. But thanks CODE for failing with several attempts on my overtanked mack. It provided me with fun once in a while, change of scenery helps.
Bait Carebear KiDoN Corporation 0	Posted - 2017.02.01 07:43:40 - [23] - Quote Qwerty Ernaga wrote: My in-game friend used to be a miner like me. Then he got really angry about some other miners. He joined CODE and started ganking miners. Within a month he left the game. I knew that would happen. He was just burned out and emotionally unstable at the time. I guess some people are permanently emotionally unstable. But thanks CODE for failing with several attempts on my overtanked mack. It provided me with fun once in a while, change of scenery helps. The fact that you are mining in an "overtanked" mack means they are already winning. Back in the day all you saw was max efficiency hulks. You can talk about their emotions and bullying all day, but they definitely left their mark in high sec.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 25030	Posted - 2017.02.01 08:08:16 - [24] - Quote Bait Carebear wrote: Qwerty Ernaga wrote: My in-game friend used to be a miner like me. Then he got really angry about some other miners. He joined CODE and started ganking miners. Within a month he left the game. I knew that would happen. He was just burned out and emotionally unstable at the time. I guess some people are permanently emotionally unstable. But thanks CODE for failing with several attempts on my overtanked mack. It provided me with fun once in a while, change of scenery helps. The fact that you are mining in an "overtanked" mack means they are already winning. Back in the day all you saw was max efficiency hulks. You can talk about their emotions and bullying all day, but they definitely left their mark in high sec. You fall victim of CODE propaganda. He kept his macks, so its a win for him, and gankers lost their ganking tools, so what they earned? Moral victory? Would need them being moral people, the act of ganking is immoral by definition. Violent behavior against completely legal high sec mining operative. They got nothing. I see CODE propaganda mainly being an internal thing, to keep people believing they are still relevant, when they are not. Forcing people to mine in slightly less efficient way isnt so relevant as it may seem, because you can have a lot of them Macks in High sec, whole fleets mining. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Bait Carebear KiDoN Corporation 0	Posted - 2017.02.01 08:21:42 - [25] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: You fall victim of CODE propaganda. He kept his macks, so its a win for him, and gankers lost their ganking tools, so what they earned? Moral victory? Would need them being moral people, the act of ganking is immoral by definition. Violent behavior against completely legal high sec mining operative. They got nothing. I see CODE propaganda mainly being an internal thing, to keep people believing they are still relevant, when they are not. Forcing people to mine in slightly less efficient way isnt so relevant as it may seem, because you can have a lot of them Macks in High sec, whole fleets mining. Uhmm are you a troll? "Ganking is immoral"? You know you are playing a game primarily based on non-concencual PvP right? And a ragtag of nerds (as emotionally unstable as they are) even slightly changing the area where 90% of the playbase reside, which also has the biggest restrictions for player created content, is nothing to sniff at. Forcing a whole group of low interacting players to change their whole playstyle is relavent. " because you can have a lot of them Macks in High sec, whole fleets mining" takes the cake.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 25032	Posted - 2017.02.01 08:34:00 - [26] - Quote Bait Carebear wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: You fall victim of CODE propaganda. He kept his macks, so its a win for him, and gankers lost their ganking tools, so what they earned? Moral victory? Would need them being moral people, the act of ganking is immoral by definition. Violent behavior against completely legal high sec mining operative. They got nothing. I see CODE propaganda mainly being an internal thing, to keep people believing they are still relevant, when they are not. Forcing people to mine in slightly less efficient way isnt so relevant as it may seem, because you can have a lot of them Macks in High sec, whole fleets mining. Uhmm are you a troll? "Ganking is immoral"? You know you are playing a game primarily based on non-concencual PvP right? And a ragtag of nerds (as emotionally unstable as they are) even slightly changing the area where 90% of the playbase reside, which also has the biggest restrictions for player created content, is nothing to sniff at. Forcing a whole group of low interacting players to change their whole playstyle is relavent. " because you can have a lot of them Macks in High sec, whole fleets mining" takes the cake. You must be troll to question CODE immoral nature. Their acts are outlawed by CONCORD. So its out of discussion. And mining isnt all in high sec, there are fleets of mining ships everywhere, mining unbothered. I take the cake. You can have crumbles. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 31	Posted - 2017.02.01 09:34:46 - [27] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: what they earned? Moral victory? Infamy. We talk about them. Highsec miners who talk also do. The op made a thread, like many others. For many players CODE is the first player-driven organization they ever hear about. Some would say this does worth more than ISK - if not directly translates into it. Morality in this context sounds a lot more irrelevant to me than CODE. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 25034	Posted - 2017.02.01 09:53:14 - [28] - Quote Yebo Lakatosh wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: what they earned? Moral victory? Infamy. We talk about them. Highsec miners who talk also do. The op made a thread, like many others. For many players CODE is the first player-driven organization they ever hear about. Some would say that does worth more than ISK - if not directly translates into it. Morality in this context sounds a lot more irrelevant to me than CODE. First player driven organization? Basically every corporation with director who logs in and plays is just that. Goonswarm, PL, TESCO, those corporations are recognized outside game more than CODE. I would say the news about fights are more sellable than your CODE members ganking new players. CODE would paradoxally need to step down if they would be so famous as to be first to be heard of in a game. Because they would have no targets if everyone would adapt to the environment where all CODE have is the same unflexible methods. They would be left with non executable doctrine and no area of gameplay in the game. They would be bored and boredom would kill it. Miners would win. Actually CODE rules are selfdefeating for that corporation in longer run. Every member is working to shut down its own corporation. Its like a suicide cult. Suiciding ships to feel better about themselves. Quote: Within a month he left the game. I knew that would happen. He was just burned out and emotionally unstable at the time. I guess some people are permanently emotionally unstable. That. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 2039	Posted - 2017.02.01 10:11:04 - [29] - Quote Haven't seen code self-advertisement through alts for like ... couple weeks? You guys feeling lonely The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Jhonas Riddick New Corporate Order SLYCE Pirates 12	Posted - 2017.02.01 10:15:08 - [30] - Quote Bait Carebear wrote: You know you are playing a game primarily based on non-concensual PvP right? 8 Golden Rules for Eve Online * You consent to PvP when you click "undock".
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 31	Posted - 2017.02.01 10:42:17 - [31] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Goonswarm, PL, TESCO, those corporations are recognized outside game more than CODE. Indeed. I heard about Goons years before I even first considered trying EvE. I did read about PL around the days I have joined. Umm, hearing about TESCO for the first time, besides doing my shopping there. But I'm not a good baseline for drawing conclusions about a general player populace, as I do a lot of reading, research and such before comitting to games even far simpler than EvE, not to mention that old and infamous space-epic. Let me risk neither are you, based on by the tiny slice of your activity I have seen so far. But I didn't mean corps you read about the news or see in videos. I mean corps that someone without prior knowledge actually -hears- about ingame. Maybe it would be wrong to assume that most new players just see a flashy spaceship game, or a new F2P title on Steam and jump in, but I carefully avoid assumptions about 'most new players', thus I pick words like 'many new players'. Because I can back any of my claim about the latter. I listen to people in local of the newbro-systems, Rookie Help and in some voice-channels where random people get invited en-masse. And I yet to see the Swarm or the Legion mentioned there. Yet CODE often pops up, especially when someone asks mining related questions. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 58374	Posted - 2017.02.01 10:57:59 - [32] - Quote And the CODE parade begins again .............. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.02.01 10:58:25 - [33] - Quote The real problem here is that something like code is still possible.... Gankers of any kind should face 500k damage at the second of the first shot in high and their and their possible preys wrecks should set "out of buisness" for anyone except the prey.....the prey may freely took what he wants as compensation....but touch them(with an alt as it is done now) as not involved or the criminal himself and also face 500k damage...and on and on and on...as long as they get it....could take a while 'til they get the message i guess....
Malcorath Sacerdos Rogue Meddlers 41	Posted - 2017.02.01 11:04:40 - [34] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: The real problem here is that something like code is still possible.... Gankers of any kind should face 500k damage at the second of the first shot in high and their and their possible preys wrecks should set "out of buisness" for anyone except the prey.....the prey may freely took what he wants as compensation....but touch them(with an alt as it is done now) as not involved or the criminal himself and also face 500k damage...and on and on and on...as long as they get it....could take a while 'til they get the message i guess.... not that i particularly like suiside gankers... but i really hate trammelised games... a healthy sandbox mmo needs its PK-¦s and dewds if you dont like this play style and want 100% safety why seek out life in New eden?
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 25039	Posted - 2017.02.01 11:07:51 - [35] - Quote Yebo Lakatosh wrote: Umm, hearing about TESCO for the first time, besides doing my shopping there. TEST ALLIANCE BEST ALLIANCE! and CO2 were recently fighting together against PL and their fights made some news around christmas time and new year. There were couple of really big battles. You will hear about them more. They are in the south now, and Goons are there also. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 32	Posted - 2017.02.01 11:20:23 - [36] - Quote Ahh.. Sure I knew about TEST... just ignored them for some reason. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.02.01 11:20:44 - [37] - Quote I don't care about those tiny Explantions "why ganking is good for the game"..... I've heard them all and i give a dam..... PVP ist still possible if you have to ACCEPT it first like done in the duel option...the software code is there just a slight change has to be made... All this gibbering about "EVE is a pvp game and would change to the core if something is done against gankin(not pvp,hear what i say this is just about ganking in highsec)"is pure nonsense. The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts.... I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me.... And yes..this is the same gibbering THEY do every time a anti pvp wall is discussed whereever.... PVE: "i want to fly safe" PVP: "That's impossible,MY game would be changed to the core" PVE: "but you can do...... PVP: "Impossible,EVE is a PVP game" PVE: "but.... PVP: "Impossible,that is MY game,go away carebear" This is how a "discussion" about this theme goes.... Change is bad.....
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 32	Posted - 2017.02.01 11:30:29 - [38] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts.... I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me.... And what if gankers make -my- experience more interesting? May I (or anyone else) adapt your approach about anyone else's game? Naw, that would be too hypocritical for me. I rather just accept CCP's ruling on the matter. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Malcorath Sacerdos Rogue Meddlers 41	Posted - 2017.02.01 11:36:08 - [39] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: I don't care about those tiny Explantions "why ganking is good for the game"..... I've heard them all and i give a dam..... PVP ist still possible if you have to ACCEPT it first like done in the duel option...the software code is there just a slight change has to be made... All this gibbering about "EVE is a pvp game and would change to the core if something is done against ganking(not pvp,hear what i say this is just about ganking in highsec)" is pure nonsense. The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts.... I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me.... And yes..this is the same gibbering THEY do every time an anti gank wall is discussed whereever.... PVE: "i want to fly safe" PVP: "That's impossible,MY game would be changed to the core" PVE: "but you can do...... PVP: "Impossible,EVE is a PVP game" PVE: "but.... PVP: "Impossible,that is MY game,go away carebear" This is how a "discussion" about this theme goes.... Change is bad..... again i understand why some would be drawn towards the idea of 100% sefety in hs. i would urge you to think one or two steps further than your own risk avertion. imagine what would happen to the market if hs would be 100% safe. If war deccs was the only way of fighting in hs what would happen then to the small time solo player? HS is damaged as it is with the level of wardecks going around. Ppl are isk fat and perpetual wardecks is a thing. if you want to strike a blow for improved security in HS start advocating for wardecks to be more expensive. If you have your way small corps will be obliterated as hs gankers turn to wardeccing and citadel hunting istead. Your only option is staying in NPC corporations or joining an existing mega corp.. and thus you kill of any chance a newbro has of stating a small corp and building it up from the ground congrats you just killed off another important funtion of HS in your persuit of life in a NPC corp without risk ... and then we have the market. the large alliances and corporation who are strong enugh to survive in the 100% gank free HS of yours would have virtual monopoly on HS minerals and good mission running stations ..
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.02.01 11:42:21 - [40] - Quote Malcorath Sacerdos wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: I don't care about those tiny Explantions "why ganking is good for the game"..... I've heard them all and i give a dam..... PVP ist still possible if you have to ACCEPT it first like done in the duel option...the software code is there just a slight change has to be made... All this gibbering about "EVE is a pvp game and would change to the core if something is done against ganking(not pvp,hear what i say this is just about ganking in highsec)" is pure nonsense. The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts.... I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me.... And yes..this is the same gibbering THEY do every time an anti gank wall is discussed whereever.... PVE: "i want to fly safe" PVP: "That's impossible,MY game would be changed to the core" PVE: "but you can do...... PVP: "Impossible,EVE is a PVP game" PVE: "but.... PVP: "Impossible,that is MY game,go away carebear" This is how a "discussion" about this theme goes.... Change is bad..... again i understand why some would be drawn towards the idea of 100% sefety in hs. i would urge you to think one or two steps further then your own risk avertion. imagine what would happe to the market if hs would be 100% safe. if war deccs was the only way of fighting in hs what would happen then to the small time solo player ? HS is damaged as it is with the level of wardecks going around. ppl are isk fat and perpetual wardecks are a thing. if you want to strike a blow for improved security in HS start advocating for wardecks to be more expensive. if you have your way small corps will be obliterated as hs gankers turn to wardeccing and citadel hunting istead. Your only option is staying in NPC corporations or joining an existing mega corp.. and thus you kill of any chance a newbro has of stating a small corp and building it up from the ground congrats you just killed off another important funtion of HS in your persuit of life in a NPC corp without risk ... and then we have the market. the large alliances and corporation who are strong enugh to survive in the 100% gank free HS of yours would have virtual monopoly on HS minerals and good mission running stations .. As i said i heard it all... And about the "market explonation(always comes) : Well then ccp is forced to DO THEIR JOB and CONTROL the market and don't push this to the players..... Yes it would be another EVE...but a better for everyone....
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 35	Posted - 2017.02.01 11:52:36 - [41] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Well then ccp is forced to DO THEIR JOB and CONTROL the market and don't push this to the players..... I'm sorry, but one of the main selling points of the game was the 'player driven economy' for me. Just after the 'constant danger' and 'possibility of great losses'. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Malcorath Sacerdos Rogue Meddlers 41	Posted - 2017.02.01 12:00:00 - [42] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: [quote=Malcorath Sacerdos][quote=Akaro Tripar] Yes it would be another EVE...but a better for everyone.... no it would be better for the risk averce trammelites in npc corporations, for the guys who came to eve for the sandbox rpq with real lasting ingame consequenses it would be a lesser game it would be the introduction of trammel in Sosaria all over again. yes the trammelites are loyal yes they are dedicated and they are proletysing their non violence religion to as many mmorpg-¦s then can .. go try out UO (dont leve eve id want you here even if we disagree on this) you will see what i meen try out DDO ( an even lesser game then UO but then again it was made with no world pvp and no non concentual pvp in mind unlike UO) try as many mmorpgs as you can you will see that the ones you like the most (like eve) will be made with non consentual pvp in mind...
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.02.01 12:37:37 - [43] - Quote Malcorath Sacerdos wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: [quote=Malcorath Sacerdos][quote=Akaro Tripar] Yes it would be another EVE...but a better for everyone.... no it would be better for the risk averce trammelites in npc corporations, for the guys who came to eve for the sandbox rpq with real lasting ingame consequenses it would be a lesser game it would be the introduction of trammel in Sosaria all over again. yes the trammelites are loyal yes they are dedicated and they are proletysing their non violence religion to as many mmorpg-¦s then can .. go try out UO (dont leve eve id want you here even if we disagree on this) you will see what i meen try out DDO ( an even lesser game then UO but then again it was made with no world pvp and no non concentual pvp in mind unlike UO) try as many mmorpgs as you can you will see that the ones you like the most (like eve) will be made with non consentual pvp in mind... Another one singing the "EVE has not to be changend,because EVE is a PVP game and it has not to be changend because we did it this way for 13 years now" mantra.... Becoming a modern game? NO WAY! We are better than everyone......and don't care about a changed mmog market out there.... And beside....I (as PVP/gank player) would loose my neck of the woods.....this could not be....
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 35	Posted - 2017.02.01 12:49:31 - [44] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Another one singing the "EVE has not to be changend,because EVE is a PVP game and it has not to be changend because we did it this way for 13 years now" mantra.... Becoming a modern game? From another perspective... Many gamers could suggest you 100-1000 multiplayer games that work exactly the way you want EvE to be (the number mainly depending on how many games they tried). On the other hand, a very knowledgable gamer maybe could list three multiplayer games where constant danger of losing much progress is a thing. A cynic who enjoys one of those three would say to you to please move to one of the other 1000 options that are exactly like you want this particular one to be. But it would be a lot nicer to suggest you to -try- enjoying that very unique setup, because you have zero~ish chance of encountering anything like this again (and if you did, you'd probably wouldn't enjoy them, as they are like EvE, just even harsher and less forgiving). They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Malcorath Sacerdos Rogue Meddlers 41	Posted - 2017.02.01 13:57:36 - [45] - Quote Quote: From another perspective... Many gamers could suggest you 100-1000 multiplayer games that work exactly the way you want EvE to be (the number mainly depending on how many games they tried). On the other hand, a very knowledgable gamer maybe could list three multiplayer games where constant danger of losing much progress is a thing. A cynic who enjoys one of those three would say to you to please move to one of the other 1000 options that are exactly like you want this particular one to be. But it would be a lot nicer to suggest you to -try- enjoying that very unique setup, because you have zero~ish chance of encountering anything like this again (and if you did, you'd probably wouldn't enjoy them, as they are like EvE, just even harsher and less forgiving). this so much this. im just to polit to say HTFU and GO back to (take your pick of 100% safe MMO) old UO EvE and the other niche sandbox open pvp MMORPG-¦s out there are slowly becoming extingt. so yea your ideas are the polar oposite of what us old farts fell in love with in old style MMORPG-¦s if you want a Modern themepark safe space to goof around and to collect achievments and farm you stuff to build your dollhouse... pls go else where. i prefer a game where there is a risk i get my perfect sand caslt kicked over. where there is a reason (other then to get those shiny purplez that will be totally obsolete the next expantion) to group up form clans (corporations in eve fyi) for instance mutual protection aganst the Dewds and PK-¦s ( read pirates gankers and fully legit corps who just want your resourses) it is this dynamic that is EVE .. it is just a luck of the draw that eve isnt an avatar based fantasy MMO rpg since many of the devs where old UO players.... (cause now i have the chance to make that game moahahahaha) so yes the guy who wrote that up there is 100% correct this is not for the faint of heart this is eve and in eve the epic loot is ganker and greifer tears.... so gang up form up and make your own safety be it in HS LS NULL och WH ..
Cookie Snakeoil Industries Ltd. 13	Posted - 2017.02.01 14:22:36 - [46] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: (...) The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts.... I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me.... (...) Sounds rather selfish. What about the other people (it's a MMO after all) ? Ever thought that THEY probably feel disturbed by you ? Or they don't care about YOUR game ? Demanding something but not granting others the same is pretty egoistic (might even call it disgusting).
Salvos Rhoska 2006	Posted - 2017.02.01 14:32:49 - [47] - Quote CODE exploits a loophole in HS mechanics. However, unless CCP changes rules, it is valid. Deal with it. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 25049	Posted - 2017.02.01 14:37:32 - [48] - Quote I want a dollhouse for my dolls. EVE have dolls. Crates of dolls even. They are all in my hangar. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2017.02.01 17:38:08 - [49] - Quote See below... code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 299	Posted - 2017.02.01 20:10:52 - [50] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: I don't care about those tiny explantions "why ganking is good for the game"..... I've heard them all and i give a dam..... PVP ist still possible if you have to ACCEPT it first like done in the duel option...the software code is there just a slight change has to be made... All this gibbering about "EVE is a pvp game and would change to the core if something is done against ganking(not pvp,hear what i say this is just about ganking in highsec)" is pure nonsense. The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts.... I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me.... And yes..this is the same gibbering THEY do every time an anti gank wall is discussed whereever.... PVE: "i want to fly safe" PVP: "That's impossible,MY game would be changed to the core" PVE: "but you can do...... PVP: "Impossible,EVE is a PVP game" PVE: "but.... PVP: "Impossible,that is MY game,go away carebear" This is how a "discussion" about this theme goes.... Change is bad..... The issue is that under the current system the careers of "miner" and "ganker" both exist. You seem to want to change things so that only the career of "miner" exists. I see no reason why either playstyle is any less valid than the other. In EvE, you are not safe anywhere by design. There are plenty of counters to gankers, so why not spend your time looking those up instead of whining? I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Vanessa Celtis Vanessa Atalanta 0	Posted - 2017.02.01 22:41:10 - [51] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: CODE exploits a loophole in HS mechanics. However, unless CCP changes rules, it is valid. Deal with it. That is absolutely correct and the most clever thing I have heard since I play this game. As for the market drivers, those who think it is player driven, they need to go back to school. CCP is controling the market from behind the scene. How and from where do you think all those loots come from in the first place when dropped in null sec ?... from CCP pseudo random generation software. And regarding production, duh !
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.02.02 02:11:32 - [52] - Quote Cookie wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: (...) The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts.... I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me.... (...) Sounds rather selfish. What about the other people (it's a MMO after all) ? Ever thought that THEY probably feel disturbed by you ? Or they don't care about YOUR game ? Demanding something but not granting others the same is pretty egoistic (might even call it disgusting). THEY don't care about MY game either so why should i care about theirs? THEY don't leave me alone so I have to back off? You are really complaining about ME giving THEM no space? Really...? i mean Really??? Don't you even see how wrong you are in this?
Aaron Eternal Frontier 439	Posted - 2017.02.02 03:19:24 - [53] - Quote Good story OP, and nice outcome. You adapted to your environment and stood your ground which is a big part of what Eve is about. Welcome to level 2. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 1061	Posted - 2017.02.02 13:36:27 - [54] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: CODE exploits a loophole in HS mechanics. However, unless CCP changes rules, it is valid. Deal with it. It's crazy to me that some carebears honestly think that the devs designed Highsec and CONCORD and honestly didn't consider the obvious consequences of the system. Welcome to EVE Online, where griefing isn't a bug, it's a feature. *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Lone Gunman Forhotea Corporation 33	Posted - 2017.02.02 14:22:13 - [55] - Quote Yes, thank you CODE, after 13 years I am only paying for one account now instead of five. How many others are like me?
Salvos Rhoska 2006	Posted - 2017.02.02 15:38:20 - [56] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: CODE exploits a loophole in HS mechanics. However, unless CCP changes rules, it is valid. Deal with it. It's crazy to me that some carebears honestly think that the devs designed Highsec and CONCORD and honestly didn't consider the obvious consequences of the system. Welcome to EVE Online, where griefing isn't a bug, it's a feature. I have no issue with CODE itself. Their impact is negligible anyways, and if nothing else, helps disrupt the unthinkable free/safe transit of material in EVE. My only concern with CODE, is that it also comprises some associations by proxy, to players that have taken griefing too far. The Bonus Room crap was utter cancer. Blow up all the miners and freighters you want, but never, ever, try to attack the person involved, especially not by holding their ingame assets hostage so as to extricate them from the games systems. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 1062	Posted - 2017.02.02 18:01:09 - [57] - Quote Oh yummy, tears over Ero! Haven't had those in a while.. *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 25121	Posted - 2017.02.02 18:23:54 - [58] - Quote We could talk about Mittani again. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 299	Posted - 2017.02.02 18:25:55 - [59] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Cookie wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: (...) The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts.... I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me.... (...) Sounds rather selfish. What about the other people (it's a MMO after all) ? Ever thought that THEY probably feel disturbed by you ? Or they don't care about YOUR game ? Demanding something but not granting others the same is pretty egoistic (might even call it disgusting). THEY don't care about MY game either so why should i care about theirs? THEY don't leave me alone so I have to back off? You are really complaining about ME giving THEM no space? Really...? i mean Really??? Don't you even see how wrong you are in this? They have just as much right to gank you as you do to mine. Nowhere is safe in New Eden by design. Don't want to be ganked? Get good. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 443	Posted - 2017.02.02 18:26:37 - [60] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Cookie wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: (...) The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts.... I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me.... (...) Sounds rather selfish. What about the other people (it's a MMO after all) ? Ever thought that THEY probably feel disturbed by you ? Or they don't care about YOUR game ? Demanding something but not granting others the same is pretty egoistic (might even call it disgusting). THEY don't care about MY game either so why should i care about theirs? THEY don't leave me alone so I have to back off? You are really complaining about ME giving THEM no space? Really...? i mean Really??? I don't think he's just referring to the gankers. Don't forget there are other parties that would be negatively impacted by your ideals such as your competitors and people who simply like f%&king with gankers. I find it odd you've joined a PvP sandbox MMO and now complain that it's a PvP sandbox MMO. It's akin to buying a racing game but complaining it should be an RTS. Surely you're better off playing one of the hundreds, if not thousands of other MMOs that don't offer the PvP sandbox. <^.^> I'm a cat lol
Akane Togenada Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 31	Posted - 2017.02.02 19:21:19 - [61] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Cookie wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: (...) The gankers disturb MY game and that's all that counts.... I don't care about THEIR game,it simply does not interest me.... (...) Sounds rather selfish. What about the other people (it's a MMO after all) ? Ever thought that THEY probably feel disturbed by you ? Or they don't care about YOUR game ? Demanding something but not granting others the same is pretty egoistic (might even call it disgusting). THEY don't care about MY game either so why should i care about theirs? THEY don't leave me alone so I have to back off? You are really complaining about ME giving THEM no space? Really...? i mean Really??? Don't you even see how wrong you are in this? I have never understood this idea that one have to enforce ones views on how EVE should be played on other players. As a member of EVE:s most peaceful Player Corporation I take pride in not shooting other players in the face but I would never try to push our Credo of non-violence on other players. It sure sucks to get ones ship blown up and especially if it's filled with loot but if one chooses to view it as a opportunity to learn rather then a personal insult EVE:s dangerous nature quickly becomes more fun even for a PvE-focused player such as myself. On risk you must see that it's one of biggest selling points of EVE. When I go out exploring space for sites to loot Wormholes are by far the most exiting places since you have no Local and thus no idea who else is in there. If you can get to the point where you embrace the constant risk as something positive and exhilarating your EVE experience will be much better. If you instead chooses to remain adamant that the game must change to suit your current view you will just get dissapointed and should really look for another game and save yourself some time and possibly money.
LouHodo Lynchpin Limitations LLC 22	Posted - 2017.02.02 19:39:43 - [62] - Quote Sabre side wrote: I for one want to thank Code for a few reason. I have lost several ships to them., to include 2 hulks. However, I am also build T1 and T2 mining barges to sell and they have drummed up a lot of business for me. I have made 35x what I have lost in a matter of weeks. Secondly, I would like to thank them for teaching me how to kill the miner killers.. The last 5 attempts to kill my alts has ended up in a win for me. My last successful concord assisted kill earned my a 3.7 million isk return on investment. So Thank you CODE for forcing me to play a little more defensive in my mining experience. PS I am currently selling Macha Mong Ruad's Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I x6 for half the price. They have only been fired and dropped once! Oh I am keeping the Mag Stabs and 333 rounds of Caldari Anti-matter charges. :) So you learned an old Caldari Rule of Acquisition, "War is good for business, peace is good for business."
Terminal Insanity Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 991	Posted - 2017.02.03 01:14:27 - [63] - Quote finally a miner i can respect! keep dumpstering bruh "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Malcorath Sacerdos Rogue Meddlers 42	Posted - 2017.02.03 08:48:08 - [64] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Malcorath Sacerdos wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: [quote=Malcorath Sacerdos][quote=Akaro Tripar] Yes it would be another EVE...but a better for everyone.... no it would be better for the risk averce trammelites in npc corporations, for the guys who came to eve for the sandbox rpq with real lasting ingame consequenses it would be a lesser game it would be the introduction of trammel in Sosaria all over again. yes the trammelites are loyal yes they are dedicated and they are proletysing their non violence religion to as many mmorpg-¦s then can .. go try out UO (dont leve eve id want you here even if we disagree on this) you will see what i meen try out DDO ( an even lesser game then UO but then again it was made with no world pvp and no non concentual pvp in mind unlike UO) try as many mmorpgs as you can you will see that the ones you like the most (like eve) will be made with non consentual pvp in mind... Another one singing the "EVE has not to be changend,because EVE is a PVP game and it has not to be changend because we did it this way for 13 years now" mantra.... Becoming a modern game? NO WAY! We are better than everyone......and don't care about a changed mmog market out there.... And beside....I (as PVP/gank player) would loose my neck of the woods.....this could not be.... i know that last part wasent aimed at me bruh im what the gankers would call a carebear for life. my fav ship is the orca i use it for everything. i live in a WH so ill let your imagination figure the rest out ;)
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 8200	Posted - 2017.02.03 09:59:02 - [65] - Quote Sabre side wrote: I for one want to thank Code for a few reason. I have lost several ships to them., to include 2 hulks. However, I am also build T1 and T2 mining barges to sell and they have drummed up a lot of business for me. I have made 35x what I have lost in a matter of weeks. Secondly, I would like to thank them for teaching me how to kill the miner killers.. The last 5 attempts to kill my alts has ended up in a win for me. My last successful concord assisted kill earned my a 3.7 million isk return on investment. So Thank you CODE for forcing me to play a little more defensive in my mining experience. PS I am currently selling Macha Mong Ruad's Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I x6 for half the price. They have only been fired and dropped once! Oh I am keeping the Mag Stabs and 333 rounds of Caldari Anti-matter charges. :) Pro tip: With CODE. compliments will be taken as weakness and seen as tears just as much as if you had come in here ranting and raving against them. Don't give them attention. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2017.02.03 12:52:56 - [66] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Sabre side wrote: I for one want to thank Code for a few reason. I have lost several ships to them., to include 2 hulks. However, I am also build T1 and T2 mining barges to sell and they have drummed up a lot of business for me. I have made 35x what I have lost in a matter of weeks. Secondly, I would like to thank them for teaching me how to kill the miner killers.. The last 5 attempts to kill my alts has ended up in a win for me. My last successful concord assisted kill earned my a 3.7 million isk return on investment. So Thank you CODE for forcing me to play a little more defensive in my mining experience. PS I am currently selling Macha Mong Ruad's Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I x6 for half the price. They have only been fired and dropped once! Oh I am keeping the Mag Stabs and 333 rounds of Caldari Anti-matter charges. :) Pro tip: With CODE. compliments will be taken as weakness and seen as tears just as much as if you had come in here ranting and raving against them. Don't give them attention. Really? I've engaged with them on multiple occasions, and haven't felt baited, trolled, or like they required attentuon from me. As of the time of this writing, nothing about how foolish I am has popped up on the blog they use... Maybe you're just angry at them.
Salvos Rhoska 2008	Posted - 2017.02.03 13:01:31 - [67] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: Really? I've engaged with them on multiple occasions, and haven't felt baited, trolled, or like they required attentuon from me. As of the time of this writing, nothing about how foolish I am has popped up on the blog they use... Maybe you're just angry at them. Your character has no killboard stats. This is a CODE shill thread. Disregard and abandon. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Quinn Hatfield The Scope Gallente Federation 58	Posted - 2017.02.03 13:06:46 - [68] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Clockwork Robot wrote: Really? I've engaged with them on multiple occasions, and haven't felt baited, trolled, or like they required attentuon from me. As of the time of this writing, nothing about how foolish I am has popped up on the blog they use... Maybe you're just angry at them. Your character has no killboard stats. This is a CODE shill thread. Disregard and abandon. Clutching at straws much? His lack of killboard is irrelevant. I don't burn bridges, I merely steal a bolt a day.
Salvos Rhoska 2008	Posted - 2017.02.03 13:15:02 - [69] - Quote Quinn Hatfield wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Clockwork Robot wrote: Really? I've engaged with them on multiple occasions, and haven't felt baited, trolled, or like they required attentuon from me. As of the time of this writing, nothing about how foolish I am has popped up on the blog they use... Maybe you're just angry at them. Your character has no killboard stats. This is a CODE shill thread. Disregard and abandon. Clutching at straws much? His lack of killboard is irrelevant. I have single handedly destroyed 10 Titans, and 100 PLEX. I have destroyed your crapfit Vexors 1000 times. PS: Killboard is irrelevant ;) PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Quinn Hatfield The Scope Gallente Federation 58	Posted - 2017.02.03 13:21:30 - [70] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Quinn Hatfield wrote: Clutching at straws much? His lack of killboard is irrelevant. I have single handedly destroyed 10 Titans, and 100 PLEX. I have destroyed your crapfit Vexors 1000 times. Are you perhaps overcompensating for something? Quote: PS: Killboard is irrelevant ;) So why bring them up? Quote: PPS: I clutched your straw hair while doing so. Not without foreplay you didn't, which in your case would consist of being on your knees and begging for hours. I don't burn bridges, I merely steal a bolt a day.
Salvos Rhoska 2010	Posted - 2017.02.03 13:25:25 - [71] - Quote Yep, CODE shill thread confirmed. 0.01 isk has been deposited to your accounts. PS: Im a shareholder. I own you ;) PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 1064	Posted - 2017.02.03 13:51:07 - [72] - Quote Way to make the thread creepy, guys. Good job. *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2017.02.03 13:55:48 - [73] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Yep, CODE shill thread confirmed. 0.01 isk has been deposited to your accounts. PS: Im a shareholder. I own you ;) PPS: You liked me clutching your straw hair, from behind ;) You made me laugh pretty hard, LOL. I am not a CODE shill. My lack of killboard should confirm that to you from the get-go. As well as my security status. I've typed until I was blue in my fingertips that CODEs pilots get off on your impotent rage. That the RP is crafted pretty specifically to **** off folks who are emotionally invested. Supposing I had mined, supposing I had been podded into zero ISK, and spammed with emails about being terminated. "And how was that gank by the way?" Suppose I'd logged into the Miner Bumping chat channel and immediately been told I "needed a permit, cuz rulez." I still wouldn't get bent out of shape. I still wouldn't be hateful about it. I still would think chatting with them was fun. And I still wouldn't pay them money that I didnt want to. (And you don't have to. You don't have to do anything you don't want to in this game dude.) Because it's a game. Your blood pressure will thank you. (And I'm still not a shill, but that made me laugh.) CODE are playing the game how they want to. The same toolkit is avaliable to you. If CODE have made it abundantly clear that they are trying to kill you, and you don't want to be killed, why not make a game out of avoiding them? That's what I would do, if I were mining. It doesn't mean I have to act all angry about it. Even if I get caught. It's a game.
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2017.02.03 13:56:40 - [74] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: Way to make the thread creepy, guys. Good job. Pig! o7
Salvos Rhoska 2010	Posted - 2017.02.03 14:03:18 - [75] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: shilling shilling. 0.01 isk has been deposited to your anonimoose account. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2017.02.03 14:07:19 - [76] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Clockwork Robot wrote: shilling shilling. 0.01 isk has been deposited to your anonimoose account. Okay then. If you're sure. "Forum Warrior, calm down."
Salvos Rhoska 2010	Posted - 2017.02.03 14:09:50 - [77] - Quote I sent you 0.02 isk You shill for me now. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
The Bigpuns Touring New Eden 241	Posted - 2017.02.03 16:35:05 - [78] - Quote Why oh why oh why are we still discussing this embarrassing group of dimwits? CODE are a disgrace to the name of PVP, on a par with Marmite and P I R A T who just hang around trade hubs with wardecs to get easy kills. Yes, I know the names I will get called for a post like this. No I am not advocating making hisec safer. I just do not like to see people give CODE any more attention. Not because I have lost ships to them (I don't mine), but because they are basically forum bullies in GUI format. You don't like some of the features of EVE? Fine. Play something simpler. But don't make the mistake of thinking the features are bugs, loopholes, or other unintended or undesired aspects of the game. It's Working As Intended. And I've said it before and I will almost certainly say it again - please don't pay for their idiotic permits.
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2017.02.03 17:06:13 - [79] - Quote See below code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 443	Posted - 2017.02.03 17:27:40 - [80] - Quote See above. <^.^> I'm a cat lol
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 1067	Posted - 2017.02.03 18:04:31 - [81] - Quote The Bigpuns wrote: Why oh why oh why are we still discussing this embarrassing group of dimwits? CODE are a disgrace to the name of PVP, on a par with Marmite and P I R A T who just hang around trade hubs with wardecs to get easy kills. Yes, I know the names I will get called for a post like this. No I am not advocating making hisec safer. I just do not like to see people give CODE any more attention. Not because I have lost ships to them (I don't mine), but because they are basically forum bullies in GUI format. You don't like some of the features of EVE? Fine. Play something simpler. But don't make the mistake of thinking the features are bugs, loopholes, or other unintended or undesired aspects of the game. It's Working As Intended. And I've said it before and I will almost certainly say it again - please don't pay for their idiotic permits. Yes, everyone can see very explicitly how not-butthurt you are. *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2017.02.03 18:39:16 - [82] - Quote The Bigpuns wrote: Why oh why oh why are we still discussing this embarrassing group of dimwits? CODE are a disgrace to the name of PVP, on a par with Marmite and P I R A T who just hang around trade hubs with wardecs to get easy kills. Yes, I know the names I will get called for a post like this. No I am not advocating making hisec safer. I just do not like to see people give CODE any more attention. Not because I have lost ships to them (I don't mine), but because they are basically forum bullies in GUI format. You don't like some of the features of EVE? Fine. Play something simpler. But don't make the mistake of thinking the features are bugs, loopholes, or other unintended or undesired aspects of the game. It's Working As Intended. And I've said it before and I will almost certainly say it again - please don't pay for their idiotic permits. Quite right. Don't pay ISK if you dont want to! But where is the fun in being quietly furious? King Bob-Omb caught me once and chucked me off of the mountain. I was displeased to have to re-do some of that progress, and re-climb back to him... But the trivial challenge didnt personally bother me. It was a game. "Try to avoid being grabbed". You see? It's fun.
2Sonas1Cup 202	Posted - 2017.02.03 19:14:07 - [83] - Quote I wish code ever tried to gank me :( I'd print and frame the loss mail and hang it on my toilet.
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 886	Posted - 2017.02.03 20:26:33 - [84] - Quote This thread delivers Salty Anti-Gankers -check "Just one more nerf" solutions -check "CODE. is irrelevant" in a CODE. thread -check "Highsec should be safe" -check I'm going to stop there before I trigger more people And @op, good for you. You adapted and are beating the system where thousands more have miserably failed ^_^ Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome Max Trix Shall Reign!
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.02.03 22:24:41 - [85] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: This thread delivers Salty Anti-Gankers -check "Just one more nerf" solutions -check "CODE. is irrelevant" in a CODE. thread -check "Highsec should be safe" -check I'm going to stop there before I trigger more people And @op, good for you. You adapted and are beating the system where thousands more have miserably failed ^_^ "We don't need to change this game" -check "My view how to play the game is more important than yours" -check "all that want to change it to an anti gank policy are just carebears who don't know how to play "right" -check gibbering stupid nonsense about everyone beside CODE beeing a carebear and JUST CODE is great -check Stupidity Level reached..... warping out........
Wolfgang Jannesen The Evesploratory Society 16	Posted - 2017.02.03 22:37:52 - [86] - Quote Wolfgang Jannesen wrote: I've never seen CODE. do anything but react to insults like children It's six pages later and this point stands stronger than ever.
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 887	Posted - 2017.02.03 22:52:53 - [87] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: This thread delivers Salty Anti-Gankers -check "Just one more nerf" solutions -check "CODE. is irrelevant" in a CODE. thread -check "Highsec should be safe" -check I'm going to stop there before I trigger more people And @op, good for you. You adapted and are beating the system where thousands more have miserably failed ^_^ salt The game is working as intended, op is making money, I'm happy and you're not. Nothing needs to change as far as I'm concerned, except the way you bot-aspirants play Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome Max Trix Shall Reign!
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 443	Posted - 2017.02.03 22:53:50 - [88] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: "We don't need to change this game" -check Who says this? Even the biggest fans of the game seem quite eager to have certain aspects changed. Quote: "My view how to play the game is more important than yours" -check Only the carebears seem to hold this view. Quote: "all that want to change it to an anti gank policy are just carebears who don't know how to play "right" -check "...who don't know how to play." FTFY I've said it before, I'll say it again: All play styles are valid. If you want to be a "psycho griefer", go ahead. If you want to be a miner, knock yourself out. Same goes for mission runners or explorers or any play style you might think of. However, every profession can be played well and it can be played poorly. Those who play poorly may just find themselves gettin' rekt by CODE. Those who play well smile and wave as CODE are powerless to stop them fly past. Those who are really bad get rekt by CODE then complain about them on the forums. Quote: gibbering stupid nonsense about everyone beside CODE beeing a carebear and JUST CODE is great -check Who says this? Quote: Stupidity Level reached..... warping out........ Oh, somehow I think you can go deeper. <^.^> I'm a cat lol
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 443	Posted - 2017.02.03 22:55:07 - [89] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: And @op, good for you. You adapted and are beating the system where thousands more have miserably failed ^_^ As they say, the Code always wins, always. Only on this occasion, we have two winners, not just one. It's nice when everyone's a winner. <^.^> I'm a cat lol
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2017.02.03 23:44:34 - [90] - Quote Code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 21	Posted - 2017.02.04 00:55:48 - [91] - Quote akaro tripar wrote: gibbering stupid nonsense about everyone beside CODE beeing a carebear and JUST CODE is great -check Not true. I carebear'd up a storm in their channel. Pig and Dom welcomed me like I'd been born in there.
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.02.04 09:43:02 - [92] - Quote All playstyles are NOT possible... I'm forced intp PVP by some stupid dumpasses that force me into THEIR playstyle. Just give us the possibility to mark ourselves as "no targets" and yes that means less prey for the dumpasses,but that's a price they have to pay for not letting the real players alone.... There will be enough preys,but at least they will just shoot each other and not people who don't share their view "how a game has to be played"....Who wants it can do it,who not will not... THAT'S "all playstyles made possible",not the current situation... As i said,i don't care about THEIR game or their side or their strange hobby,MINE ist 100% important...they do the same so it's me or them...and i choose me.... Ban gankers from high or give everyone who wants it a "no target for you" button and all is good.....
Salvos Rhoska 2012	Posted - 2017.02.04 09:44:46 - [93] - Quote ^ Fake account. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.02.04 09:46:15 - [94] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: ^ Fake account. Who? You? :-)
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1470	Posted - 2017.02.04 09:54:26 - [95] - Quote Wolfgang Jannesen wrote: Wolfgang Jannesen wrote: I've never seen CODE. do anything but react to insults like children It's six pages later and this point stands stronger than ever. And six pages in, after being asked for evidence of this, none provided. How funny. If you want to see some evidence though, go to: http://www.minerbuming.com you can see plenty of examples of which group act like children. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 445	Posted - 2017.02.04 10:22:25 - [96] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: All playstyles are NOT possible... I'm forced intp PVP by some stupid dumpasses that force me into THEIR playstyle. You're not forced to shoot people if you don't want to. Of course, EVE being what it is, if you're doing almost anything you're performing some level of PvP where another player is losing out. If you mine, you deprive another player of those asteroids. If you haul goods from one system to another, another player loses the opportunity to fulfill that contract. etc. Quote: Just give us the possibility to mark ourselves as "no targets" and yes that means less prey for the dumpasses,but that's a price they have to pay for not letting the real players alone.... This option already exists. Just right click a station and click "dock". ===== EVE operates on the principle of risk vs reward. If the possibility of failure can be reduced to zero, there's no way to differentiate the performance of one player from that of another. Under your system, there's literally be no way to make more money than your competitors than to simply grind more than them. That " grind more to make more" philosophy is a big killer of MMOs and would be particularly devastating to EVE. <^.^> I'm a cat lol
Storm ToFollow Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.02.04 10:27:19 - [97] - Quote I often wonder whether code. Members simply pretend to be a "frustrated victim" simply to launch a thread where they can repeat all their bullplop claims. They ceased to be relevent in any meaningful way quite a while ago, but their reality distortion bubble seems to have quite the power source. There are one or two highly active gankers, who do most of the heavy lifting, the majority are simply hangers on basking in the reflected "glory" pretending to be in some way important. So do not be over concerned with Code. They are important and relevant only in their own eyes. Simply don't be stupid and fly all your worldly goods in a paper bag, be aware that sometimes you will get killed, because asshats. Above have fun, there is almost nothing more fun that watching players commit suicide by cop, whilst sipping a coffee and giggling in a well tanked ship. And above all, never never acknowledge their existance, treat contact requests from them, like spam email, there is nothing to learn from them. Have fun.
Salvos Rhoska 2012	Posted - 2017.02.04 10:34:24 - [98] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: ^ Fake account. Who? You? :-) You. ^ means post above, shill. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2017.02.04 15:24:45 - [99] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: ^ Fake account. Who? You? :-) You. ^ means post above, shill. I know what you meant and i couldn't care less about your opinion.... As far as i'm concerned i meant every word i said.... These ganking without real consequences and looting with an alt has to stop. Just let us non pvp folk our freedon IN the game.... And btw...."you have a choice to avoid pvp : do not undock" is not eben near of beeing funny.... Playstyle made possible means EVERY playstyle and not just one or two....not undocking is no solution.....
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 445	Posted - 2017.02.04 15:34:21 - [100] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Playstyle made possible means EVERY playstyle and not just one or two....not undocking is no solution..... Like I said: Every play style is viable. If you're getting ganked, you're bad. Learn how to play and ganking simply stops being a problem. <^.^> I'm a cat lol
Torin Corax Game of Roams 207	Posted - 2017.02.04 15:59:48 - [101] - Quote Hiasa Kite wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: Playstyle made possible means EVERY playstyle and not just one or two....not undocking is no solution..... Like I said: Every play style is viable. If you're getting ganked, you're bad. Learn how to play and ganking simply stops being a problem. I'd argue that a completely careless playstyle is not particularly viable, unless such a player had the means to purchase plex, and the willingness to do so on a regular basis. As for CODE.... Eve is not risk = reward imo...it's more knowledge+effort = reward. The ease with which a person may be ganked is directly proportional to the effort that player is taking to not be ganked. If a player has the knowledge to "play safe" but doesn't use it, that's on them. If a player doesn't have the knowledge, then getting ganked is the incentive for going out and obtaining it. My first ship loss ever was a gank that happened during the tutorial (such as it was back then). I'd been playing for all of 20mins and had almost no knowledge of the game. That gank gave me the incentive to go look for information, and pointed me towards what information to look for. Within an hour I'd learned everything I needed to know about baiting, can-flipping, high-sec ganking etc. Knowledge is power. Sometimes the first step to obtaining knowledge is to know what questions to ask. Getting ganked in high sec is an indication that questions need to be asked, and answers sought. This is a valuable experience. CODE. are the kindergarten teachers of high sec, they help people take those first steps on the path of knowledge.
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 890	Posted - 2017.02.04 16:43:10 - [102] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: ^ Fake account. Who? You? :-) You. ^ means post above, shill. I know what you meant and i couldn't care less about your opinion.... As far as i'm concerned i meant every word i said.... These ganking without real consequences and looting with an alt has to stop. Just let us non pvp folk our freedon IN the game.... And btw...."you have a choice to avoid pvp : do not undock" is not eben near of beeing funny.... Playstyle made possible means EVERY playstyle and not just one or two....not undocking is no solution..... Ohh you want a safe space eh? That space is a myth, you should probably stop playing now before you get disappointed further... Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome Max Trix Shall Reign!
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 890	Posted - 2017.02.04 16:44:56 - [103] - Quote Torin Corax wrote: Hiasa Kite wrote: Akaro Tripar wrote: Playstyle made possible means EVERY playstyle and not just one or two....not undocking is no solution..... Like I said: Every play style is viable. If you're getting ganked, you're bad. Learn how to play and ganking simply stops being a problem. I'd argue that a completely careless playstyle is not particularly viable, unless such a player had the means to purchase plex, and the willingness to do so on a regular basis. As for CODE.... Eve is not risk = reward imo...it's more knowledge+effort = reward. The ease with which a person may be ganked is directly proportional to the effort that player is taking to not be ganked. If a player has the knowledge to "play safe" but doesn't use it, that's on them. If a player doesn't have the knowledge, then getting ganked is the incentive for going out and obtaining it. My first ship loss ever was a gank that happened during the tutorial (such as it was back then). I'd been playing for all of 20mins and had almost no knowledge of the game. That gank gave me the incentive to go look for information, and pointed me towards what information to look for. Within an hour I'd learned everything I needed to know about baiting, can-flipping, high-sec ganking etc. Knowledge is power. Sometimes the first step to obtaining knowledge is to know what questions to ask. Getting ganked in high sec is an indication that questions need to be asked, and answers sought. This is a valuable experience. CODE. are the kindergarten teachers of high sec, they help people take those first steps on the path of knowledge. I agree with you, but most victims prefer to make posts on the forums to cry about it Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome Max Trix Shall Reign!
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2017.02.04 16:48:51 - [104] - Quote I always taunt code to come and get me, never any responses. sO bite me and see below code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita
Salvos Rhoska 2013	Posted - 2017.02.04 16:59:36 - [105] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: I agree with you, but most victims prefer to make posts on the forums to cry about it You mean fake accounts post on the forum to cry about a boom that never happened. OP has no killboard. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 22	Posted - 2017.02.04 18:49:03 - [106] - Quote Storm ToFollow wrote: I often wonder whether code. Members simply pretend to be a "frustrated victim" simply to launch a thread where they can repeat all their bullplop claims. It certainly seems possible sometimes.
DrysonBennington Eagle's Talon's 308	Posted - 2017.02.04 19:37:35 - [107] - Quote The name Code is an insult to anyone in the corporation.
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 22	Posted - 2017.02.04 20:17:23 - [108] - Quote DrysonBennington wrote: The name Code is an insult to anyone in the corporation. They seem pretty happy with it.
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 893	Posted - 2017.02.04 20:37:12 - [109] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: DrysonBennington wrote: The name Code is an insult to anyone in the corporation. They seem pretty happy with it. We just don't care ;) Having fun is more important Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome Max Trix Shall Reign!
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 22	Posted - 2017.02.04 21:01:22 - [110] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: Clockwork Robot wrote: DrysonBennington wrote: The name Code is an insult to anyone in the corporation. They seem pretty happy with it. We just don't care ;) Having fun is more important That seems fairly obvious to anyone not invested in being angry.
The Bigpuns Touring New Eden 241	Posted - 2017.02.05 22:47:53 - [111] - Quote The problem is, whatever you say, Code members will always misinterpret it. They say Code always wins because they stick their fingers in their ears and shout lalalala whenever its something they don't agree with. Like the one who reacted to my post - apparently I'm somehow butthurt, implying I've lost something due to their actions and now I'm whining. They don't like to read, it's too much effort. A bit like most of Eve. Too much effort, so they pick on non-pvpers. Anything else would be difficult. Reference: AT. OP is quite obviously a troll. He should join Code.
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 24	Posted - 2017.02.05 23:03:17 - [112] - Quote The Bigpuns wrote: The problem is, whatever you say, Code members will always misinterpret it. They say Code always wins because they stick their fingers in their ears and shout lalalala whenever its something they don't agree with. Like the one who reacted to my post - apparently I'm somehow butthurt, implying I've lost something due to their actions and now I'm whining. They don't like to read, it's too much effort. A bit like most of Eve. Too much effort, so they pick on non-pvpers. Anything else would be difficult. Reference: AT. OP is quite obviously a troll. He should join Code. Brother... /sigh Brother, the odds are fantastic that OP is CODE. And you're going all in on explaining how stupid and insular CODE is, and how the thread is in general, probably low-grade troll bait. No ****. But here you are. Unable to help yourself. Responding. Feeding. Being invested enough to explain how uninvested you are. You're desperate to explain in the light of reason how not desperate you are. You want to be the dagger of logic in a thread of monkeyshine. And CODE doesn't "always win"... Unless you measure having fun. They have fun all the time. Like you could be. If you were less "not mad".
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2017.02.05 23:47:34 - [113] - Quote Yo code Come and get me sissies See below code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 3092	Posted - 2017.02.06 08:58:10 - [114] - Quote The Bigpuns wrote: The problem is, whatever you say, Code members will always misinterpret it. They say Code always wins because they stick their fingers in their ears and shout lalalala whenever its something they don't agree with. Like the one who reacted to my post - apparently I'm somehow butthurt, implying I've lost something due to their actions and now I'm whining. They don't like to read, it's too much effort. A bit like most of Eve. Too much effort, so they pick on non-pvpers. Anything else would be difficult. Reference: AT. OP is quite obviously a troll. He should join Code. No, the Code really does always win. If you set out to serve as a player-driven source of risk and to generate content in highsec, you win regardless of whether you lose a particular engagement or fail in an attempted action. And that is not to mention the win of the entertainment value of it all. The magic of the Code is that it is a document designed to create player interactions and to shape the face of highsec and it does that by its very existence. Players have had to adapt their game play, or perhaps they just explode and have their gameplay adapted for them because a small group of players have taken up the mantle of serving as agents of risk in the safest space in the game. It gives meaning to player actions, and applies pressure on the players residing in highsec weeding out the dullest, laziest and greediest of the bunch. It makes highsec into a bit more of the game CCP envisioned, instead of the no risk or no challenge push-button/receive-bacon farmfest it was fast becoming 5 years ago. That vision of highsec barely even qualifies as a game, and certainly not one worthy of a game like Eve Online. Highsec still has serious problems, but it is much better now under the care of the New Order than the empty-of-conflict carebear paradise certain game changes had put it on a course for. The great irony of this all is, that despite all the teeth-gnashing and whining about the Code that goes on, the New Halaima Code of Conduct is the distilled essence of the Eve Online and thus how CCP intends for the game to work. CCP has purposely put criminals into the game to keep players in highsec at risk to other players. If you want a religious analogue, it's like James 315 channeled and interpreted the ideas of the almighty creator (CCP in this case) into an easy to read document to guide players to play the intended game. This is why the Code can never lose. Unless Eve Online is sold and the new development team throws out the original design documents completely thus Trammelizing the game, the people who uphold the Code are blessed by CCP and are doing the creator's work. Whether a Knight of the New Order succeeds at exploding you, or just their very presences forces you to take protective actions, the Code has impacted your game as CCP intends, and this contributes to emergence and your connection to the living universe of New Eden. Eve Online is not a single player game, nor is it one with a "safe space". That fact is manifested and enabled by the Code. What the uninitiated and naive Eve player cannot seem to understand, or maybe just are unable to accept, is that the Code is an idea more than a real organization, and you can't kill an idea. Sure there is James 315 and his blog which serve as a banner to rally around, and there is a useful SRP as part of that for new/poor players to join in the fun, but all that could go away tomorrow and yet carebears would still be exploding left and right in highsec as CCP intends. Players, not NPCs, are suppose to serve as the aggressors in this game (and to provide the content), and highsec is not immune from that. The Code is the embodiment of that idea. Something happening in highsec is better than nothing happening in highsec, and this is one of the core ideas and aims of the New Order and its Code. You can't stop the signal, at least as long as CCP stays true to their original vision of the game. This is why the Code always wins. Always. The 8 Golden Rules of Eve Why Do They Gank?
Akaro Tripar School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2017.02.06 13:49:45 - [115] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: [quote=The Bigpuns] You can't stop the signal, at least as long as CCP stays true to their original vision of the game. This is why the Code always wins. Always. Yes...excactly THIS "standing true to the original vision of the game " has to turn around 180-¦ or else ccp will loose it all... What you and the people around you simply don't seem to get(you simply don't want to have something to do with the so called "that" evil reality fact) is the fact that a market change did accur......it's about all those succesful "nanny games" around that don't let you loose anything.... If CCP does not adept to this that's it,even if you argue against it,they will go down..... THEY know it,YOU decide to ignore it and continue wearing your blinkers,sitting in your neck of the wood,enjoying "your game",singing your "EVE has not to change" mantra all day long.....and...certainly....argue against EVERY single change that drifts your neck of the wood a little bit out of the comfort zone it is sitting in..... Why a change? All is well.....and who cares about "carebears" crying for a change? Just mute them.... Sad....
Bait Carebear KiDoN Corporation 2	Posted - 2017.02.06 14:03:03 - [116] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Black Pedro wrote: [quote=The Bigpuns] You can't stop the signal, at least as long as CCP stays true to their original vision of the game. This is why the Code always wins. Always. Yes...excactly THIS "standing true to the original vision of the game " has to turn around 180-¦ or else ccp will loose it all... What you and the people around you simply don't seem to get(you simply don't want to have something to do with the so called "that" evil reality fact) is the fact that a market change did accur......it's about all those succesful "nanny games" around that don't let you loose anything.... If CCP does not adept to this that's it,even if you argue against it,they will go down..... THEY know it,YOU decide to ignore it and continue wearing your blinkers,sitting in your neck of the wood,enjoying "your game",singing your "EVE has not to change" mantra all day long.....and...certainly....argue against EVERY single change that drifts your neck of the wood a little bit out of the comfort zone it is sitting in..... Why a change? All is well.....and who cares about "carebears" crying for a change? Just mute them.... Sad.... So why don't you go and play one of the many thousands of the other "nanny" games you hypocritical piece of useless carbon?? There are countless games with no pvp that you can farm digital pixels until you drown in your own boring existence. Why do you want to come to the only game that doesn't cater to your sensitive feelings and want to ruin the only actual game with any real sense of loss and danger? The market has fuking spoken and guess what, after 13 years this game is still up and running with a healthy and an extremely loyal player base, more than most games out there, and this isn't even a triple AAA game. And nobody is saying no to change, as long as it is good change, a change that doesnt go against everything the game stands for. How typical that you speak of blinders when it was linked multiple times in this thread how the developers themselves agree and encourage the behavior of the so called "bullies".
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 3096	Posted - 2017.02.06 15:13:09 - [117] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Yes...excactly THIS "standing true to the original vision of the game " has to turn around 180-¦ or else ccp will loose it all... What you and the people around you simply don't seem to get(you simply don't want to have something to do with the so called "that" evil reality fact) is the fact that a market change did accur......it's about all those succesful "nanny games" around that don't let you loose anything.... If CCP does not adept to this that's it,even if you argue against it,they will go down..... THEY know it,YOU decide to ignore it and continue wearing your blinkers,sitting in your neck of the wood,enjoying "your game",singing your "EVE has not to change" mantra all day long.....and...certainly....argue against EVERY single change that drifts your neck of the wood a little bit out of the comfort zone it is sitting in..... Why a change? All is well.....and who cares about "carebears" crying for a change? Just mute them.... Sad.... Yes, yes, Eve is dying. Or the more complete version that comes out of the mouth of carebears: Eve will die unless CCP changes the game to be what I personally think I want it to be. When I am extremely bored, I like to go back and look over various forum posts from long, long ago. If you go back to the beginning in 2003, you can find several posts claiming the exact same thing: Pirateing?....or just greifing.. Well hope you all enjoy what left of this game. Pirates runing EVE What can we learn from these examples (other than people could not spell very well back in 2003)? Carebears have been calling for increased safety since the game for over 13 years claiming (obviously wrongly) that if they don't get it the game will die. Another point to note, is that like today, these posts almost always come after a loss where they have been relieved of their stuff against their will (AKA 'sore loser syndrome'). Well they were wrong then, much like you are now. Eve Online is suppose to be a harsh, full-time PvP sandbox. If anything, it is much less harsh now than it was at the beginning, but CCP has still stuck to the single-shard, open world game design they conceived the game as. That might mean it isn't the game for everyone, yet their are clearly enough players that enjoy this type of game play that have supported Eve Online with a longevity almost unique among MMOs of that era. CCP knows what game they invented and it's far too late to reinvent the game in an attempt to chase some other segment of the gamer market. The risk is far too high they will alienate the existing players with such a fundamental change, exactly as Ultimate Online did when they tried that gambit. It is much better strategy to let Eve roll on in maintenance mode for the next decade or more as a marginally profitable core universe that can be the setting for other games like Gunjack and Valkyrie that can go after the gaming dollars of other types of players. Face it, the carebears lost. Almost 14 years of whining failed to get CCP to give up on their vision of the game. Kudos to CCP and their fortitude in the face of all those tears. The 8 Golden Rules of Eve Why Do They Gank?
The Bigpuns Touring New Eden 241	Posted - 2017.02.06 17:28:12 - [118] - Quote Blimey, getting a bit dramatic there, Clockwork. My problem is not with game mechanics, or that Code are allowed to do what they want. It's more to do with the people in it, and then the people that give them credence as a thing to be worried about. It's like people that have a problem with the police - it shouldn't be "the police" you have a problem with, but individual policemen. You can imply I'm not having fun, or getting mad, or "triggered", or whatever the latest tiresome inane phrase that young people say these days happens to be. I do play the way I want. I do have fun. "The Code" doesn't bother me. People like OP bother me. People that say they are saving Hisec by sploding miners bother me, cos they are about as connected to reality as Trump (well, not that any of us are connected to reality when discussing a computer game, but there you go). Yes, sometimes I post my opinion in a forum. Sometimes people come into the same forum to post that it is their opinion that my opinion isn't valid. This also doesn't bother me, but I do like a good discussion. Why can't people that defend Code see that I'm not advocating banning PvP, or saying Eve is dying, or any of the other tired old rhetoric that inevitably gets spouted in these threads. Just want people to be honest about why they pick on easy targets.
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 27	Posted - 2017.02.06 18:03:50 - [119] - Quote The Bigpuns wrote: Blimey, getting a bit dramatic there, Clockwork. My problem is not with game mechanics, or that Code are allowed to do what they want. It's more to do with the people in it, and then the people that give them credence as a thing to be worried about. It's like people that have a problem with the police - it shouldn't be "the police" you have a problem with, but individual policemen. You can imply I'm not having fun, or getting mad, or "triggered", or whatever the latest tiresome inane phrase that young people say these days happens to be. I do play the way I want. I do have fun. "The Code" doesn't bother me. People like OP bother me. People that say they are saving Hisec by sploding miners bother me, cos they are about as connected to reality as Trump (well, not that any of us are connected to reality when discussing a computer game, but there you go). Yes, sometimes I post my opinion in a forum. Sometimes people come into the same forum to post that it is their opinion that my opinion isn't valid. This also doesn't bother me, but I do like a good discussion. Why can't people that defend Code see that I'm not advocating banning PvP, or saying Eve is dying, or any of the other tired old rhetoric that inevitably gets spouted in these threads. Just want people to be honest about why they pick on easy targets. I understand what you're saying. But you understand that the RP is silly, yes? So... ignore it. OP shouldnt bother you, going on about how righteous the CODE is... Just carry on. Water off a ducks back, breh.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 304	Posted - 2017.02.06 21:10:13 - [120] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: Black Pedro wrote: [quote=The Bigpuns] You can't stop the signal, at least as long as CCP stays true to their original vision of the game. This is why the Code always wins. Always. Yes...excactly THIS "standing true to the original vision of the game " has to turn around 180-¦ or else ccp will loose it all... What you and the people around you simply don't seem to get(you simply don't want to have something to do with the so called "that" evil reality fact) is the fact that a market change did accur......it's about all those succesful "nanny games" around that don't let you loose anything.... If CCP does not adept to this that's it,even if you argue against it,they will go down..... THEY know it,YOU decide to ignore it and continue wearing your blinkers,sitting in your neck of the wood,enjoying "your game",singing your "EVE has not to change" mantra all day long.....and...certainly....argue against EVERY single change that drifts your neck of the wood a little bit out of the comfort zone it is sitting in..... Why a change? All is well.....and who cares about "carebears" crying for a change? Just mute them.... Sad.... So tell me about all the years you've developed a successful MMO. I would further argue that changing the game to a more carebearish type is exactly what would doom EvE. You'll hemorrhage veterans who hate the new design, and you might not attract new players anyway since you're now space MMO #3472. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 30	Posted - 2017.02.06 21:29:19 - [121] - Quote I wish we had so many space MMOs... ... I miss my YT-2400.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 1074	Posted - 2017.02.06 21:39:39 - [122] - Quote The Bigpuns wrote: ...copious tears... ...Just want people to be honest about why they pick on easy targets. Oh ok, I hear this one a lot. "I have nothing against ganking, BUT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT ALL WRONG!!!1" If you weren't butthurt, then you wouldn't be all hung up about whether or not we're being honest about our motivations. You wouldn't care. Now please tell us, what did you lose? *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 454	Posted - 2017.02.06 22:26:00 - [123] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: Now please tell us, what did you lose? Is it possible that the mere thought of losing a ship is enough to trigger a response? I'll admit, before I got into EVE, I didn't like the idea of losing my space pixels and didn't think the game would be very good because of it. Then I learned how to play. Everything changed, man. Everything changed. <^.^> I'm a cat lol
Admiral Sarah Solette Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2017.02.07 06:46:18 - [124] - Quote This reminds me of a beaten animal loyally returning with gratitude to it's abusive master. High sec carebears are wild.
Salvos Rhoska 2034	Posted - 2017.02.07 06:56:06 - [125] - Quote Boasting in shill thread. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Malcorath Sacerdos Rogue Meddlers 42	Posted - 2017.02.07 07:18:23 - [126] - Quote Akaro Tripar wrote: If CCP does not adept to this that's it,even if you argue against it,they will go down..... Sad.... we have been hearing this argument pretty much since i started playing and likly since the game started .. history tells us that you are wrong. yes this is a neiche game. we are perfectly fine with that as long as it stay true to its purpose. CCP has a clear target customer and is catering to that. (and no its not the gankers even if they are included) so seriously get with the program or do yourself a favour and get out. wow is not for everyone and neither is EvE . and if a direct quote from the devs doesent open your eyes im gonna put you in the troll pen and stop trying to make you see my point. it is clear you dont care for anything but your own entitlement. hf fly safe and i hope to meet you in wh space (given you ever undock)
The Bigpuns Touring New Eden 241	Posted - 2017.02.07 13:47:21 - [127] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: The Bigpuns wrote: ...copious tears... ...Just want people to be honest about why they pick on easy targets. Oh ok, I hear this one a lot. "I have nothing against ganking, BUT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT ALL WRONG!!!1" If you weren't butthurt, then you wouldn't be all hung up about whether or not we're being honest about our motivations. You wouldn't care. Now please tell us, what did you lose? See. Still not interested in whats been written. Please check my kb. Plenty of billions in carebear mission ships, and 1 careless loss to an actual reasonable Marmite member who hunted me patiently. None to Code. Your actions do not bother me. Your statements do not bother me. People considering you worthwhile of permits do bother me. I'm not butthurt, or hurt anywhere else (for all your name-calling and playground-level abuse), because Code haven't hurt me. Keep reading into my points what you will, you keep missing the actual point.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 1077	Posted - 2017.02.07 14:34:22 - [128] - Quote GÖ¬GÖ¬The Code never bothered me anywayyyyyGÖ¬GÖ¬ -Princess Elsa, Disney's Frozen *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 30	Posted - 2017.02.07 14:50:39 - [129] - Quote The Bigpuns wrote: Galaxy Pig wrote: The Bigpuns wrote: ...copious tears... ...Just want people to be honest about why they pick on easy targets. Oh ok, I hear this one a lot. "I have nothing against ganking, BUT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT ALL WRONG!!!1" If you weren't butthurt, then you wouldn't be all hung up about whether or not we're being honest about our motivations. You wouldn't care. Now please tell us, what did you lose? See. Still not interested in whats been written. Please check my kb. Plenty of billions in carebear mission ships, and 1 careless loss to an actual reasonable Marmite member who hunted me patiently. None to Code. Your actions do not bother me. Your statements do not bother me. People considering you worthwhile of permits do bother me. I'm not butthurt, or hurt anywhere else (for all your name-calling and playground-level abuse), because Code haven't hurt me. Keep reading into my points what you will, you keep missing the actual point. I believe the fact that you are bothered at all is what is being commented on. CODE doesn't need to kill you to bother you... So, sans any kills from CODE, your bothered level should be zero. Yet your bothered level is high above zero. "High out of spec", we call it on a submarine. You have no CODE deaths. But you are bothered. And in your H.O.O.S. condition, you're in a huge hurry to tell CODE how what they are doing bothers you. That's whats at play, Bigpuns. (And also I don't believe any name-calling occurred. )
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 3099	Posted - 2017.02.07 14:51:11 - [130] - Quote The Bigpuns wrote: Galaxy Pig wrote: The Bigpuns wrote: ...copious tears... ...Just want people to be honest about why they pick on easy targets. Oh ok, I hear this one a lot. "I have nothing against ganking, BUT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT ALL WRONG!!!1" If you weren't butthurt, then you wouldn't be all hung up about whether or not we're being honest about our motivations. You wouldn't care. Now please tell us, what did you lose? See. Still not interested in whats been written. Please check my kb. Plenty of billions in carebear mission ships, and 1 careless loss to an actual reasonable Marmite member who hunted me patiently. None to Code. Your actions do not bother me. Your statements do not bother me. People considering you worthwhile of permits do bother me. I'm not butthurt, or hurt anywhere else (for all your name-calling and playground-level abuse), because Code haven't hurt me. Keep reading into my points what you will, you keep missing the actual point. Well you did say that you want people "to be honest about why they pick on easy targets." The implication of that is that you are bothered by the fact you think some players lie about why they shoot weaker targets then themselves or that you think you know better at why some players commit such acts than they themselves do. Well, to put you at ease and salve your bother, I will tell you why I shoot "easy targets". These reasons are personal, and may not reflect why other players do so, but since you did imply that I, or other players like me, lie about why we do what we do, I think it worthwhile to explain. I am motivated by a various (and sometimes varying) combination of the thrill of stalking a target, the satisfaction of taking the resources of another player instead of having to grind them myself, being part of a collective effort to impose our will on the game universe, and an altruistic motivation to create content, and to enforce the risk vs. reward design of the game. The first two are quite base, I will admit. There is something primal though about scouting a target, laying a trap or ambush, and springing it without them catching wind of me. Sure, the rational part of my brain knows that they are most likely watching Netflix or making a sandwich in the other room while they AFK mine or haul in highsec, but there are always a few wily ones that smoke the imminent gank just in time to get away. Along with that is the satisfaction of taking their hard earned loot for yourself. You are really "winning" Eve by taking resources from another player with a fraction of the effort they spent collecting it. That is, by all definitions, smart (although perhaps immoral) play. In fact, the players who want to be shot the least are the ones you need to shoot the most as they are the ones with the most valuable stuff. I know I am at my most reluctant to PvP when I am moving few billion of goods in my hauler. The "higher" reasons I shoot weaker players than myself are also quite clear to me. There is great long-term motivation in knowing you are part of some larger effort to make a mark on New Eden. The New Order has set a goal to reshape highsec, and has made progress. Almost every highsec resident knows about CODE. now, and has experienced or witnessed the consequences of autopiloting, AFK mining or reckless hauling. I have no illusion of how complete out control is, and it shouldn't be complete given it is highsec, but there is great satisfaction in seeing the riskiest of bad behaviours diminish year after year. Hulks, which used to be the norm, have been replaced by Skiffs as the most common ship in belts. That is a direct result of our collective efforts to explode the low hanging fruit of any yield-fit miner we can catch and is most satisfying to see. More generally though, even before I pledged my efforts to reshape the face of highsec in the name of the Saviour, I originally decided to "Be the Villain" in this game as that is how it has been designed. CCP made the game so that the players would serve as antagonists and create content, so some time after my first attempt at Eve failed after 6 boring months of nothing happening to me in highsec, I decided to try again as "bad guy" and make something happen. So I made a pirate and got to work, enforcing consequences on the complacent and those taking risks, while generating content and player interactions along the way. Risk vs. reward is important to enforce, given that in Eve it is only the players who do that in highsec. It is almost impossible to lose a miner or hauler to NPCs, so if no one is willing to call the other players on their choice to fit yield module over tank modules, then the game is lifeless and one-dimensional. For fitting choices to matter, there has to be some pressure on highsec residents, and I don't mind culling the lazy and greedy, especially if they are carrying some valuable stuff I can take. I know exactly why I shoot other players, and usually "easy targets" as you would define them. Simply, it is because they have something I want, or they are not complying to my will in the space I claim, and I do this for the greater reason of creating content and enforcing risk vs. reward in highsec. Now, that may not be why everyone else does it and I won't claim to know what motivates others like you are. But I do know that regardless of the reason, it is completely legal and intended game play. Therefore, it really doesn't matter why they do what they do. Whether you are getting shot by some psychopathic tear collector playing from inside an insane asylum, or by someone who sees you have made a mistake and wants to take your stuff, you have to react the same to that threat and defend yourself. The 8 Golden Rules of Eve Why Do They Gank?
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 1078	Posted - 2017.02.07 15:23:18 - [131] - Quote ^^^ Man, that's a great post, Pedro. Couldn't have said it better myself. *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Shamharoth Bel Sinak 1	Posted - 2017.02.07 15:44:22 - [132] - Quote I have finally decided to tip my toes into the shark infested waters of New Eden after years of reading about it, partly in response to the incredible opportunities on offer to those that grab them with both hands. The various "criminal" groups that operate are examples of people that have done so. I think I may try to gank someone in the near future, I'll probably fail miserably but I don't care because it looks like fun. After all Eve is a game, and games are for having fun. My heart can be yours, for a cost. Assorted limbs and organs also available to order.

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