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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.21 21:26:00 -
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Ah hell I don't know what to call it.
I'm going to university/college next year, and I intend to double major in criminal justice and computer science. I won't make a great SWAT/FBI/CT member (which were what I was hoping to be) because of health restrictions - I don't want to be a lawyer, hell no, so I decided I could apply my mind to the computer security/counter-cyber-crime field.
Thing is I want to get a head start on the whole thing, but I don't know what to do. I've already done some learning of HTML, Javascript, C, and C++ to at least get myself somewhere, and I know a few random computer science facts (bits, bytes, binary, boolean gates, etc) but the issue is that I have no idea what jobs in the field actually entail, so I don't know what to look into deeper.
Would anyone who is in such a field (anything from writing anti-virus software to chilling in your country's equivalent of the NSA for your day's work) be able to advise me on what I should start studying?
The above post is probably extremely confused and makes little sense, which is my state of mind on the whole affair anyway...
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.21 22:51:00 -
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I say, go underground. You need to hack for good to be able to protect against hackers. Learn about protocols. Learn how Windows works behind the scene. Learn how popular server software works. Be able to break into computers. Once you know how hackers work and how they think, then will you be able to protect yourself from them. School really won't teach you want you need to know to be truly successful.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.21 23:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Vari
I say, go underground. You need to hack for good to be able to protect against hackers. Learn about protocols. Learn how Windows works behind the scene. Learn how popular server software works. Be able to break into computers. Once you know how hackers work and how they think, then will you be able to protect yourself from them. School really won't teach you want you need to know to be truly successful.
I was thinking someone would say that...
Kevin Mitnick anyone?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.21 23:08:00 -
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I agree. Don't necessarily do anything outright illegal, but learn to hack. Learn the tools of the trade. Learn disassembly of programs and how to create no-CD patches, learn to sniff networks and find holes, learn the various common vulnerabilities in networks and how to exploit them.
90% of countering hackers is knowing how they hack.
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CHAOS100
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.21 23:17:00 -
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Security is a demanded job in the IT field. Examples are network security, anti-virus, firewall, passwords, that kind of thing. I don't know why you feel the need to study ... that's what you go to school for. The topic itself isn't really a university degree but if you major in computer science or IT management or something it will allow you more job opportunities. There are security certifications you can get, I don't know the specifics right now though. If you are going into a program like that you should have a more advanced knowledge of windows and other computer software than most people.
I don't know exactly what you want to do, whether its coding itself or something else... I think security is mainly configuring network stuff and installing firewalls but I don't know for sure.
Just a little advice from an IT student.
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Flap jak
Impulse-9
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Posted - 2007.04.21 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Flap jak on 21/04/2007 23:38:25
try Uplink. its a game where you pretend to be a hacker. its a lot of fun. you really get the "im a lone wolf underground hacker" feel from it.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.22 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Flap jak
Edited by: Flap jak on 21/04/2007 23:38:25
try Uplink. its a game where you pretend to be a hacker. its a lot of fun. you really get the "im a lone wolf underground hacker" feel from it.
EDIT: added Linkage
But though its a good game, it teaches absolutely nothing about actual hacking.
Sort of like "The Matrix" or "Hackers" or "Swordfish."
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Flap jak
Impulse-9
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Posted - 2007.04.22 00:13:00 -
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you mean being a hacker i dont get a cool interface and a list full of contacts to cover my trail....
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.22 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Flap jak
you mean being a hacker i dont get a cool interface and a list full of contacts to cover my trail....
I was disappointed with the incomplete UNIX shell on the servers. I wanted to creatively kill the servers 
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.23 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
it teaches absolutely nothing about actual hacking.
Sort of like "The Matrix" or "Hackers" or "Swordfish."
Hah I know just about nothing but I knew enough to get a good laugh out of the setup in Swordfish.
Still one of my top choice movies though...was just listening to the soundtrack in the car.
So uh, since everyone basically agrees that I should learn to hack, a followup (which may well earn a click from ISD) question - where am I going to learn that? I'm a little leery of google as
1) It draws attention to be searching "How to hack" "Hax" etc.
2) It's going to bring me a lot of results that I really don't want to get involved in...
Ideas?
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Stevie mcStepherson
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 07:36:00 -
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Look up Digital forensics, I haven't actually read through this site but it is one that is recommended by my university for project ideas for Digital Forensics. Clicky
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