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Don Carn'age
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.21 21:28:00 -
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What i say here is MY opinion.
It doesnt reflect any INFOD political stance or opinion as i am a pirate NOT a politician.
Ok, in response to a CEO's thread about the recent 'ransom and the killed issue'; Your thread had no aim, you made no demands and spoke on behalf of the person which in my opinion gets no response - if someone wants to talk it out with ME, then come to me do not post on the forums, im a reasonable guy and if your reasonable we can easily come to a decision.
I personally will NOT refund your corporation, if your member wants to talk about it with me then sure, we can come to a comprimise im sure if hes reasonable; in fairness i was close to not doing it as he seemed like such a reasonable guy.
Im sure (as ive found with NMTZ and 5THC that without ego trains behind them, some of them make great conversation! - Some of them, bijan, blackend!) that if every pirate showed emotion, it wouldnt exist - after all its a game, its a career path!
Ive put my hands up to some pretty stupid things in the past, fair does (i do treat this as a game, i play for fun not politics).
However, i believe that posting on the forums isnt the way to get a result from me. As it took the CEO to post, you were either really concerned, really bored or have no clue about piracy or its morals;
a) Your pilots ship was pinned down by my eos and a friends megathron, 2 points only, your pilot naturally fired back but agreed to pay in local (you stated he was travel fit in his raven - please answer why 2 points pinned him and he fired back?)
b) Ransomed was agreed and paid to my co-pilot (100m ISK) and the pilot was freed.
c) Dead capsuleer tries to make conversation in local, fair does - i find its easiest to grab the confident ones into the invite and kill trick.
d) With the pilot in gang with his raven following us to a few systems away with EST pilots on our tail, myself and a DIFFERENT wingman sat and contemplated the destruction of this raven.
e) Raven was destroyed after some chat between my wingman and i as we agreed that the ransom was honoured a long period of time prior and more than 1 jump out of the ransom system.
If you want a daypass, weekpass or yearpass of immunite, sure buy it - ransom as far as im concerned is the money paid for the immediate release of your ship and effective while the ship docks or retreats at least one jump away (if im wrong on that, can a pirate put me straight on thier opinion on ransom time extension etc.)
Just wanted to clear that up as there were 6 pages (mainly kojak spamming his medial knowledge or tassi related jokes) of responses so theres my little piece on that - evemail me if you want to talk to me about this your you have an opinion, im not a forum guy really so theres no point flaming me either : )
Thanks for reading my lecture ;)
DonC [INFOD]
[url=www.infinitus-odium.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=58039] [/url] |
Corwain
Gallente
Zero Team
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Posted - 2007.04.21 21:46:00 -
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Sounds to me like the ransom was honored fair and square. Ransoms do not cover future stupidity on the part of the ransomed.
Hope the Raven dropped some nice mods! 
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Awox
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.21 21:49:00 -
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Yes but did he die after joining your gang upon invitation? I think that is what the EVE pirate community wants to know.
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Stormreaper
Minmatar
The Stain Project
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Posted - 2007.04.21 22:00:00 -
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I reckon a 'fair' ransom is maybe 5-10minutes in the same system.
However I believe killing them on the otherside of the exit gate might be abit harsh, fair though.
He paid to save his ship (log /or/ dock) he DIDN'T use these options to save his ship (what he is paying for) he effectively put his ship into a dangerous situation after not using his 'get out free' card.
This is totally fair and Don you are in the right.
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Don Carn'age
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.22 00:45:00 -
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Its 1AM i dont care for your little childish ego flamefest awox.
Stormreaper, otherside of exit gate sucks - may aswell of saved him the time and finished him there which is cruel.
It was two systems away at a complex gate, there was some panick involved as an EST recon uncloaked too or more, shock.
Thanks for the honest response storm and so, keep em coming - want to know whats respectable out here and come to an understanding on this subject!
Cheers guys,
DonC [INFOD]
[url=www.infinitus-odium.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=58039][/url] |
jizzmonkey
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Posted - 2007.04.22 01:34:00 -
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if what you speak is the truth, then i dont see anything wrong,
u ransomed the guy, left system, later on encountered him and killed him. fair play and grats on the double pwnage.
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Plaetean
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.22 01:44:00 -
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tbh I can't beleive this has been taken so far. The ransom was honoured, the pilot was released, he came back for more which is his own naivety.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.22 03:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Plaetean
tbh I can't beleive this has been taken so far. The ransom was honoured, the pilot was released, he came back for more which is his own naivety.
True, I mean, my corp mate did something stupid. Case closed.
What else is stupid is that Don is going to get locked for reopening a locked thread. Not to mention he's got an attitude about the whole thing.
What you did was O.K. Are you happy now? Can we stop thrusting our e-peen about?
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.22 03:55:00 -
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Please lock this. Off topic and has turned to personal attacks.
-The Vigilante Moderator
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2007.04.22 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Wind Ictiva on 22/04/2007 03:53:55
Originally by: Awox
Yes but did he die after joining your gang upon invitation? I think that is what the EVE pirate community wants to know.
wtf does that matter?
seems fair and square to me.
you ransom
he pays
you let him go
later you run into him again and kill him, using an old and tried technique.
his fault he died.
im guessing he wont accept gang invites from pirates anytime soon again:)
this is how we all learn, the hard way.
lesson learned, lets move on
edit for spelling
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Awox
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.22 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wind Ictiva
im guessing he wont accept gang invites from pirates anytime soon again:)
It's a pretty weak trick though.
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shadow saber
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.22 05:40:00 -
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awox u've done worse so stop tlkin bout ur corp mates like ur better than them
Infod Grunt :P
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.22 08:58:00 -
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Like I said in the original post that was made about this, even though I dis-like INFOD I dont feel a bit sorry for the guy that got popped, he was stupid in two ways, firstly he was stupid for paying a ransom in the first place and secondly he was even more stupid to gang with them later on.
Not sure why this is being put on here for the second time though, its most likely gonna end in a flamefest with the inevitable *snip* from lordharold at the end of it.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.04.22 09:14:00 -
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Ganging someone just to kill them is fair in my book. Especially if you haven't given them any reason to believe they're safe from you other wise, and IMO, no one did.
You pay a ransom, that gets you out of your current situation. It doesn't protect you for 24 hours or anything else unless specifically agreed upon at the time of ransom.
The guy in the Raven died because he was an idiot. Nothing else.
Because I said so...
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Complex Potential
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Posted - 2007.04.22 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Don Carn'age
What i say here is MY opinion.
It doesnt reflect any INFOD political stance or opinion as i am a pirate NOT a politician.
Ok, in response to a CEO's thread about the recent 'ransom and the killed issue'; Your thread had no aim, you made no demands and spoke on behalf of the person which in my opinion gets no response - if someone wants to talk it out with ME, then come to me do not post on the forums, im a reasonable guy and if your reasonable we can easily come to a decision.
Don, I think this has been done to death now. We're never going to come to an agreed decision on what is the 'correct' way of behaving because there isn't one. I think killing a guy after ganging them is unacceptable, you and some of your corp mates disagree.
It's true that I was concerned; once a pilot has joined my corp, I try to stick up for them. Was he naive to accept your invite? Yes. Should you have taken advantage? That's the crux of it.
And incidently, my aim was to see what the general feel was from the pirate community. If you've experienced some backlash from all this, I apologise, that was never my intent. I have read all the responses (including yours) and feel satisfied with the response we got. It's obvious that INFOD is not completely united in it's views, but that's to be expected within such a large corp.
My own views about what happened have been tempered slightly by the arguments put forward. I still dont agree with what happened, but I no longer feel outraged. On the flip side, I'd hope that you might think slightly longer before doing the same thing again.
This is the point of the forums; to put a matter up for discussion and all try to learn something in the process.
As far as I'm concerned, the case is now closed. We will not be pursuing compensation as the responses we have gotten have been entertainment enough. To all of you who contributed, thank you.
Fly safe, fly true. Happy hunting.
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Chasm Illyaki
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Posted - 2007.04.22 11:49:00 -
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Don, you are a pirate. you do what it takes to get the kill or get paid, plain and simple. you got paid, left him alone. later, you used a "dirty trick" (i don't think it's dirty, i actually plan on using that one during a war. people tend to accept gang invites without second thought) and he bit INSTEAD OF getting as far away from you as possible. he brought his death upon himself.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.23 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Stormreaper
He paid to save his ship ([he should] log [...])
forcing people to log out isn't really cool though. It's not really even in the game mechanics per-se.
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Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum
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Posted - 2007.04.23 09:32:00 -
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Just to make things clear.
Personally I think that if I fly my raven through lowsec and get pinned down and ransomed. I pay my ransom and find out from the conversation that the pirates are indeed a bunch of fun-guys and since I want to try a little pirating myself this gang would make a nice tutorial, they invite me and all is good. Hunting a bit in that gang and they decide to take me out just because a: we haven't found anyone else to kill or b: I'm a sitting duck where I am. Now that is low regardless of what you say but then again you ARE pirates and should not be trusted :)
OT:
Does gang invite let you bash your gangmembers regardless of space secstatus like beeing in the same corp does?
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Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.23 14:24:00 -
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if I should pay a ransom, it would be for the convenience of not loosing it and thus disrupt my gameplay, in essence I am buying my ship from you and as a bonus I'll not be disturbed and be let on my merry way. Anything less is not going to happen, and anything more is a nice bonus but not required.
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1tommo1
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:00:00 -
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Yeah I agree mate.
In fact in my opinion the ransome is valid only untill hes warped away from the initial encounter.
If hes stupid enough to stay around the same system or even follow you...tough s**t in my opinion.
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Plaetean
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Strife Phoenix
OT:
Does gang invite let you bash your gangmembers regardless of space secstatus like beeing in the same corp does?
No.
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