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Victoria Ehr
Duchy of Amarsa
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Posted - 2007.11.11 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Victoria Ehr on 11/11/2007 20:09:48
Well the price of tobacco and quafe in space is going to be hyper inflated no doubt compared to all the local drinks and goodies on planets.
Look at space shuttle provisions, i read somewhere that food for the space shuttle is equivelant to $100,000 for a meal with everything factored in. So even by our standards space food costs hundreds or thousands times more than our normal foods on earth.
Of course a meal on a planet is much cheaper and Quafe is hardly the only drink in the galaxy I am sure. So saying $1000= 1ISK is not too far fetched if it means Quafe would cost $45,000
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:02:00 -
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To me it feels like 1 to 1 basis with USD or any reasonably valued currency.
30k for an executioner, thats like buying an entry-level Lexus or something.
I would imagine a menial worker planetside would earn about 8-10 isk per hour ($8-$10 an hour for a Denny's employee for example.)
As far as Quafe I dunno, that feels wrong.
So a spaceship only costs as much as 600 bottles of quafe?
That's like trading 600 bottles of coke for an F-16.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.11.12 18:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Cipher7
To me it feels like 1 to 1 basis with USD or any reasonably valued currency.
30k for an executioner, thats like buying an entry-level Lexus or something.
Except a Lexus isn't a Boeing 747 sized military vehicle. 
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I would imagine a menial worker planetside would earn about 8-10 isk per hour ($8-$10 an hour for a Denny's employee for example.)
If that were true, imagine what crew wages would be like. Even assuming that they get paid the same as a menial worker (say 10 ISK/hour), a 20 day tour of duty for a battleship with a crew of 7000 would set you back 1.4mil ISK.
Given that as trained personnel, they would be paid substantially more than a menial worker, you'd probably just be able to afford the ammunition after and average mission.
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As far as Quafe I dunno, that feels wrong.
So a spaceship only costs as much as 600 bottles of quafe?
That's like trading 600 bottles of coke for an F-16.
Quafe is a luxury goods item. It could be the equivalent of top quality champagne (with Quafe Ultra being the really expensive stuff) and added to Victoria Ehr's comment about increased markups in space, I can quite easily see 600 bottles of that stuff costing the same as a military vehicle.
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Silver Night
Caldari
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.13 09:21:00 -
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Additionaly, is it that much per bottle, or that much per pallet?
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.11.14 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
To me it feels like 1 to 1 basis with USD or any reasonably valued currency.
30k for an executioner, thats like buying an entry-level Lexus or something.
I would imagine a menial worker planetside would earn about 8-10 isk per hour ($8-$10 an hour for a Denny's employee for example.)
As far as Quafe I dunno, that feels wrong.
So a spaceship only costs as much as 600 bottles of quafe?
That's like trading 600 bottles of coke for an F-16.
I'd be happy spending $30,000 USD in exchange for a vehicle that goes something like 300 m/s at minimum, is capable of faster-than-light travel, and something that's probably about as well armored as a modern tank 
I think an entry-level Lexus would fall under the category of "Planetary Vehicles," under trade goods.
I still say the best way to make a comparision is to look at the values of good that are mass-produced and in constant demand in both EVE and RL - like, say, WHEAT.
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Tobias Creed
Minmatar
Draconian Toymaker Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.15 22:42:00 -
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the base price is for a 100 litre unit. Trade value is about 50 ISK, making Quafe worth .5 ISK per litre. Of course, as bulk traders we're buying it wholesale, and it's probably twice that in a station supermarket.
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Cheey
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:56:00 -
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OMG Geeks!
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Arron S
Gallente
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.11.23 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Arron S on 23/11/2007 05:21:04
Edited by: Arron S on 23/11/2007 05:19:21
Originally by: Marine HK4861
As somebody posted earlier in this thread, you shouldn't try to assign real values to ISK.
While the ISS is a good example, it's cost and maintainence is heavily tied into planet side economy and infrastructure. Without support from the ground, the ISS wouldn't exist.
In EVE, everything we do in space is almost completely separate from planet side economies. Ammunition, modules, minerals, even trade goods - all stays in space.
About the only transfer we get from planets is crew and they're not represented ingame.
If they where building the ISS in space, from materials mine and manufactured in space(providing that there was all ready an established industrial infrastructure in space) the cost would be dirt cheep(well its basically a fragile crock of ****, I would fall apart very easily)
I'm one of those evil people who Lobby for the industrialization of space, Because Tourism and "NASA" is not going to produce awesomeness. Screw Mars, Lets goto Ceres, The Moon and Mercury where all the bloody valuable **** is.
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Snowcrash Winterheart2
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.23 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Shrewsberry
somewhere in the PF, it states that the amount of ISK you can make a day ratting the belts is more money that a normal person can make in his/her lifetime on a planet.
That might give a hint on how much ISK is worth per dollar or pound
Yep, in RP terms the 5k you start the game with is, if I remember the fluff every ISK you've got from your family passing away (who to put you through all the schooling were not poor). The discrepancy between hypothetical planet side economies and the one we deal with make it rather hard to figure out; 0.5ISK for a bottle of Quafe is nothing for us but a hell of a lot if 5k is the sum total of your planet-side families worth
Which brings up another possibility, ISK isn't a universal currency. It is for us pod pilots but not for those living planet side. That leads to exchange rates, your family were worth a lot of... hmm... 'credits' but the ISK exchange rate is so poor you end up broke once going space side. 
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Posted - 2007.11.23 09:34:00 -
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Well, it is completely impossible to compare most current commodities to things in the EVE universe. We have no idea how futuristic manufacturing techniques will affect prices.
I came to the conclusion that one isk is worth precisely one hundred US dollars (which makes some ammo expensive, but reasonably-priced considering the advanced technology involved, and other ammo cheap but reasonably priced considering the advanced technology involved in making it).
My next-best theory is that cheap items are heavily subsidized by the empires in order to make things easier on poor/new pod pilots - this makes sense because of the incredible trade/earning potential that such pilots represent, and is consistent with the free newbie ships. In this case, I would guess that cheap items are subsidized to 0.1%, falling off to a real value of maybe $10/isk at a market-value of one or ten million credits. Additionally, minerals and probably most other commodities would be exempt from subsidization; so one cubic decimeter of tritanium is worth $32, not $3200.
I actually favor the first option, since the second is unnecessarily messy; maybe it's just that everything a player can mine is incredibly valuable.
As far as the $=isk theory goes, I very much do not favor that. If everybody with $25k could buy a bantam and go flying (keep in mind that you don't need a pod to fly), spaceflight wouldn't be anything like as exclusive as it is made out to be. If it was worth $2.5m, well, that would keep out the riffraff.
Sidenotes:
When transporting livestock, they're probably not talking about live cows. That would be about as efficient as hauling bricks - and it would be really hard to stack them all. More likely it refers to calves, or cow fetuses, in suspended animation of some type.
With Quafe, assuming that it's vaguely similar to a modern soft drink, it's made out of water and ingredients. This means that what you're actually transporting is highly condensed syrup (Coke and Pepsi do this) or just-add-water powder.
My 0.0002isk.
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