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Anabelle Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.23 18:34:00 -
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I've looked at a couple of killboards and came to the obious observation that Caldaris are a good supply of fresh meat and killmails.
Now, there is two suppositions:
a) caldaris pilots are retarded.
b) the game is unbalanced.
My assumption is that shield tanking does not hold it's own in pvp. Maybe CCP like it because it supplies kills and motivates easy targets that drives pvp'ing and skilling pvp on hard hearned skills in the game.
On a side note, Caldaris is the only race that is dedicated to shield tanking. Shield tank will cost the skin off you bones to use. Now some devs dont like the Raven and lvl 4 solo... Being a pve driven race will encourage more solo and more solo missionning to get more isk for shield tank mods... And since you invested so much on your craft you wont get this one into pvp...
For now Caldaris are either a pve race or a meat business but anything else then a pvp race witch is rather disapointing after hard hearned skill points.
Some dedicated fellows will show me fits on caldari ships I dont know about. I will politly redirect them to pvp kill boards and urge them to take a harsh look at pvp kill ratio againts Caldaris.
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2007.04.23 18:38:00 -
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Are you Tistas alt...?
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.23 18:47:00 -
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It ain't easy being Caldari when the time comes to shed the carebear fur, that's for damned sure.
First, you're hosed for good PvP set ups. Caldari either tank or tackle, can't really do both worth a damn because both want to use all your midslots.
Second, Caldari large weapons have two main attributes that are pretty worthless in PvP. Range and low tracking speeds. I could kick anyone's ass if I could just keep them a hundred clicks away. 
PvE is really the only place that I've encountered thus far that plays to Caldari strengths.
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Haks'he Lirky
Durgar og Illmenni
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Posted - 2007.04.23 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 23/04/2007 18:51:28
Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 23/04/2007 18:50:48
erm, could it not be that the reason why the caldari die the most is that it's the most popular race in the game with the highest % of characters?
from another thread.
 Originally by: Garia666
Edited by: Garia666 on 23/04/2007 13:04:42
As you can see on http://ineve.net/skills/racial_stats.php
Caldari 8440 (40.44%)
Minmatar 3499 (16.76%)
Amarr 2776 (13.30%)
Gallente 6156 (29.50%)
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.04.23 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 23/04/2007 18:49:36
Caldari are the highest number of players, Caldari ships are the largest number of PvE because of missiles, they usually are pointless in PvP because something like 8 out of 10 don't even train hybrids up.
Scorpions and Blackbirds are almost ALWAYS primary as well.
There are many reasons, but it's nothing against Caldari.
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Tony Unrau
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.23 18:53:00 -
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Everyone know's Caldari doesnt hold out and is the worst for pvp all around..
Whether or not they decide to do something about it is uncertain.
At the moment last I heard they were working on making amarr stronger for pvp as ive heard they suck in "most" cases for pvp aswell. Only because of cap issues im sure
It kinda sucks that I chose both caldari and amarr but I was a noob when I made that decision..
A: because Caldari ships look cool
B: Because lasers sound cool
Good reasons I know
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.04.23 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tony Unrau
At the moment last I heard they were working on making amarr stronger for pvp as ive heard they suck in "most" cases for pvp aswell. Only because of cap issues im sure
I think the main problem with Amarr right now is that they only have 2 dmg types
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Tony Unrau
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.23 19:01:00 -
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I find it interesting though how CCP chose to make one frigate for Amarr a missile boat. Inquisitor, im still quite Un-knowledgeable about Amarr though so if im wrong please correct me, there may be more than just this.
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2007.04.23 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tony Unrau
I find it interesting though how CCP chose to make one frigate for Amarr a missile boat. Inquisitor, im still quite Un-knowledgeable about Amarr though so if im wrong please correct me, there may be more than just this.
Search the forums for 'Khanid Mk2'
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VanNostrum
The Legion.
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.23 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Anabelle Khan
I've looked at a couple of killboards and came to the obious observation that Caldaris are a good supply of fresh meat and killmails.
Now, there is two suppositions:
a) caldaris pilots are retarded.
b) the game is unbalanced.
My assumption is that shield tanking does not hold it's own in pvp. Maybe CCP like it because it supplies kills and motivates easy targets that drives pvp'ing and skilling pvp on hard hearned skills in the game.
On a side note, Caldaris is the only race that is dedicated to shield tanking. Shield tank will cost the skin off you bones to use. Now some devs dont like the Raven and lvl 4 solo... Being a pve driven race will encourage more solo and more solo missionning to get more isk for shield tank mods... And since you invested so much on your craft you wont get this one into pvp...
For now Caldaris are either a pve race or a meat business but anything else then a pvp race witch is rather disapointing after hard hearned skill points.
Some dedicated fellows will show me fits on caldari ships I dont know about. I will politly redirect them to pvp kill boards and urge them to take a harsh look at pvp kill ratio againts Caldaris.
uhmm sorry but killboard don't mean sh1t
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.23 19:29:00 -
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Man...i didn't know that i was minority...
Kinda silly when amarr should be highest and minmatar as an (ex?)slave race should be lowest.
Guess this only means that the amarr is a less warfight nation as the others, causing such a low percent in POD pilots 
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Daenethx
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.23 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Daenethx on 23/04/2007 19:30:12
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Tony Unrau
At the moment last I heard they were working on making amarr stronger for pvp as ive heard they suck in "most" cases for pvp aswell. Only because of cap issues im sure
I think the main problem with Amarr right now is that they only have 2 dmg types
Kinda like gallente guns huh?
Oh and whoever said caldari can't tackle... have you ever actually used a ceptor? The crow is arguabley one of the best ceptors, especially for effectivness vs training time.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.23 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Daenethx
Edited by: Daenethx on 23/04/2007 19:30:12
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Tony Unrau
At the moment last I heard they were working on making amarr stronger for pvp as ive heard they suck in "most" cases for pvp aswell. Only because of cap issues im sure
I think the main problem with Amarr right now is that they only have 2 dmg types
Kinda like gallente guns huh?
Oh and whoever said caldari can't tackle... have you ever actually used a ceptor? The crow is arguabley one of the best ceptors, especially for effectivness vs training time.
Wish I could, I've got one sitting in my hangar from an agent offer I wish to God I had the skills to use. I'm looking at this from a Tech I perspective, which is pretty much where this conversation seemed to be coming from.
Also, you'll note I said that Caldari ships can't shield tank AND tackle at the same time. They can do either, but not both. Something I've seen Gallente ships do quite effectively.
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:07:00 -
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you CAN takle & tank. wohoo soo bad if you only got 5 mids to tank with (and no, you dont need a webber for missile ships).
and tbh its not that hard to armor tank a raven (which against common believe does NOT have a shield tanking bonus of any sort).
think out of the box or die off.
reason for so much caldari dieing is that so many noobs&carebears fly caldari ships for pve and then want to pvp without a clue on anything. you could stuff em into a vagabond/astartes/deimos/whateveryouthinkisagoodpvpship and they ouwld get themself killed in first encounter.
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 23/04/2007 20:09:02
Originally by: Daenethx
Kinda like gallente guns huh?
drones and drone bonuses kinda make up for it though, right?
(I don't fly Gallente so I'm not 100% on this)
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Daenethx
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 23/04/2007 20:09:02
Originally by: Daenethx
Kinda like gallente guns huh?
drones and drone bonuses kinda make up for it though, right?
(I don't fly Gallente so I'm not 100% on this)
A lot of ships have drone bays, but not all of them are dependant on them. If you choose to follow the drone path, then yes you can do whatever damage type you want in a combustable form (you can pop drones and so pop a drone ships dps). If you choose to be more gun oriented, (megathron) then the drones don't make a great deal of difference compared to other races.
And don't forget, amarr get the best solo recon which is totally drone oriented.
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Daenethx
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Daenethx
Edited by: Daenethx on 23/04/2007 19:30:12
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Tony Unrau
At the moment last I heard they were working on making amarr stronger for pvp as ive heard they suck in "most" cases for pvp aswell. Only because of cap issues im sure
I think the main problem with Amarr right now is that they only have 2 dmg types
Kinda like gallente guns huh?
Oh and whoever said caldari can't tackle... have you ever actually used a ceptor? The crow is arguabley one of the best ceptors, especially for effectivness vs training time.
Wish I could, I've got one sitting in my hangar from an agent offer I wish to God I had the skills to use. I'm looking at this from a Tech I perspective, which is pretty much where this conversation seemed to be coming from.
Also, you'll note I said that Caldari ships can't shield tank AND tackle at the same time. They can do either, but not both. Something I've seen Gallente ships do quite effectively.
On the other hand, you can tank AND fit speed mods. This seems much more effective, and you only have to sacrifice 1 slot for a scram.
Whereas a shield tanking gallente can't really afford much of a tank else they will be too slow to be effective given their paper thing quality.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Are you Tistas alt...?
Beat me to it...by a lot, but damn.
QFT.
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Nova Crisis
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Posted - 2007.04.24 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Auron Shadowbane
you CAN takle & tank. wohoo soo bad if you only got 5 mids to tank with (and no, you dont need a webber for missile ships).
Actually do be able to tackle the caldari DO need a web seeing as how they have the slowest base speed of all the races for each class. Sure we could go with out the web but sooner or later the target will get out of your scram range and then warp away if it looks like he might die
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