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Pevalir Kador
Interstellar Resources and Industry
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Posted - 2017.02.10 02:55:29 -
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I dont know the exact place to put this post, but seriously it would be nice if player corps could hire NPC miners to collect ore for us. We could pay a set amount of ISK for a set amount of NPC miners, ISK wages for the miners could vary by the NPC miners ship type and number of NPC miners wanted. And we could get standings from whatever NPC corporations miners we are hiring to mine for us for a set period of time. They could haul and drop the ore in the players hanger at the station the NPC miners belong to. Players in NPC corps would not have the option of hiring NPC's. Like seriously these NPC miners are good at their job they dont have to log on, go AFK, or turn their head away from eve. I dont know how CCP would work it out about rats and the NPC miners backup fleet but I know CCP could think of something. it would be nice to see NPC's duking it out at a players expense. or the rats could not target the NPC miners because they are hired i dont know. Please CCP think about this seriously |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Escalating Entropy
11516
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:02:28 -
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Not supported.
The point of the game is to get people to interact with each other... for better or worse. "Hiring NPCs" detracts from that and, in some cases, might even discourage people from teaming up with other flesh and blood players.
How did you Veterans start?
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Pevalir Kador
Interstellar Resources and Industry
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:04:46 -
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well mabe hiring NPC miners spawn more rats and people would have to defend them or something there has to be a way to work with it |
Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:14:33 -
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Even bottling is too much work for some. Give us official CCP bots instead.
Why play the game if you aren't going to play the game?
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Pevalir Kador
Interstellar Resources and Industry
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:17:20 -
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If you hire NPC miners then you will have to defend them if they die you lose your ISK and ore and get a negitive hit on your standings if to many NPC miners die under your watch then that NPC corp wont deal with you whatsoever untill you raise your standing I dont know how but something like that |
Andreve en Distel
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:26:42 -
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No, there really doesn't "have" to be a way to work with it...
Pevalir Kador wrote:And we could get standings from whatever NPC corporations miners we are hiring to mine for us for a set period of time.
This is way too easy for players to abuse. Need to insta-boost your standings with someone? Spam NPC miner contracts...boom, good to go, no work required.
Pevalir Kador wrote:Players in NPC corps would not have the option of hiring NPC's.
So, the players who are technically PART of the NPC corps...can't even hire their own NPC "corpmates" to work with/for them? Yeah, that makes a ton of sense 
Pevalir Kador wrote:Like seriously these NPC miners are good at their job they dont have to log on, go AFK, or turn their head away from eve.
Great plan, never have to leave station again, just sit in station and wait for the NPCs to bring you all the resources you need, why bother with that pesky "risk" thing ever again...*sarcasm*
Pevalir Kador wrote:it would be nice to see NPC's duking it out at a players expense
And confirmed, you don't so much want to play the game, as watch it played for you...by NPCs, no less. If you really can't be bothered to mine your own resources or recruit miners into your corp, why not just hire players who are miners to gather resources for you? Or stop wasting your time and buy them off the market, since that's what your scheme amounts to in the end anyhow. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:30:30 -
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OP... you still run into the issue that I posed; it detracts from player interaction.
People have asked for everything from NPC mercs, to NPC explorers, to NPC haulers... the simple fact of the matter is that the gameplay here is centered around players playing with or against other players.
Having NPCs do stuff for players moves players away from other players.
It also puts pressure on actual player miners... as they will not be able to compete with NPC miners.
This decreases ore and mineral prices, which makes things less profitable for player miners overall.
Now let's run through this logically:
- Sure... things can be balanced so that a player who mines gets more ore... but the NPC miners do not feel fatigue, hunger, or have any real time constraints. They can simply keep going indefinitely.
- Sure... you can set time limits for using NPC miners. Players can then get alt characters to hire miners as well. When they get tired, have other players / characters repeat the same process.
- Adding the points above, you and a couple of friends (or alts) can hire a whole fleet of NPC miners to quickly and efficiently strip whole belts before any time limit is reached and before any actual players can "compete" against you.
- Your idea of having more hostile NPCs show up if NPC miners are around? Easy. Get a friend or alt in a logistics ship. Keep the NPCs alive while you, in your combat ship, nuke them. Or combine the best of all worlds and use a Nestor or some other drone ship! Remote Rep while you nuke hostiles.
And most hostile NPCs can be easily nuked with the right equipment in the right configurations.
How did you Veterans start?
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:34:46 -
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'I'd like to earn isk for nothing'
Come now. |
Pevalir Kador
Interstellar Resources and Industry
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:38:25 -
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damn |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:40:31 -
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Pevalir Kador wrote:damn
You've always got mining drones! |
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Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:42:33 -
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Just sit and watch a group of NPC miners. When the hauler shows up and grabs all the ore, shoot it and bam. Free ore pinata. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2017.02.10 03:44:35 -
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Don't feel too bad.
Coming up with ideas is hard in a game like this.
You have to consider...
1. How can this be abused?
2. How can players min/max it?
3. Will players use it as intended?
4. Will it step on any "toes?"
5. Go back to point 1 and 2.
6. Go back to point 3.
And after you go through that checklist, consider the core concept you are trying to pitch.
Keep in mind that some ideas are simply "dead on arrival" regardless of how you tweak them.
How did you Veterans start?
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.10 04:24:35 -
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Can we shoot them with only a suspect flag?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2017.02.10 04:39:17 -
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with current mechanics you can use buy orders to signal to other players that you want some ore and they can go mine if for you.
Personally I find the whole mining thing so boring I'm not all that against automating it like PI or Moon mining, however with the whole rorqual revamp I'm guessing ccp has very different plans on that.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1250
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Posted - 2017.02.10 05:03:05 -
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The other issue to this is that the cost in isk/hr of ore sets a bottom floor for ore and mineral prices. If you are under this floor as a miner, particularly a new one into the game, you cannot even compete and must buy the ore from the NPCs. It also means that tossing isk at the game by hiring NPC miners will force the prices to STAY at that floor. In fact it would be one of the easiest ways of using isk stores to crash the market to the floor and keep it there for as long as you can pay for it. There are a lot of people with a LOT of money in game that would do this.
The net effect of the suggestion is as others have pointed out a decidedly negative one for the entire mining profession.
I too believe that CCP has some interesting plans for mining. I think the build requirements for the new faction capitals as well as the T2 capital modules and fighters to go along with them is a clue as to where mining will sit in the near future with some tweaks to the moon goo production as well as any game play changes like Sleeper uprisings and such it could get very interesting market wise.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.10 05:35:56 -
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or or or
wait for it crazy idea i know
i'm getting a bit excited hold on
we could make it so.. (are you ready) players could pay... *sequels* OTHER PLAYERS!!!! to mine wouldn't this just be amazing!!!?
BLOPS Hauler
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Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
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Posted - 2017.02.10 06:58:19 -
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You'll be wanting to automate PVE next.
I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2017.02.10 07:06:42 -
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its called buying ore from the market...
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Wanda Fayne
514
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Posted - 2017.02.10 08:23:02 -
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I could just pay someone to play Eve for me...
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.02.10 08:48:43 -
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But these miners are very vulnerable. Even simple rookie ship can make them all warp out.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
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Posted - 2017.02.10 11:38:50 -
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Seen this thread on Facebook, came here to tell OP this is the dumbest idea I've seen... |
Kristal Rova
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.02.10 11:50:23 -
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Seen this thread on Facebook, came here to tell OP this is the dumbest idea I've seen... |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
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Posted - 2017.02.10 11:57:51 -
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Seen people use Facebook, came here to tell OP this is the dumbest thing I've seen...
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.02.10 12:42:34 -
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can i hire npc pirates to camp gates and insta-lock for me?
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji.
1971
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Posted - 2017.02.10 12:51:33 -
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Why do you think people want to kill bots when people want to kill YOU? |
Mihara Zamayid
Ghost Nebula 237 Corporation
Bloodline.
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Posted - 2017.02.10 12:51:35 -
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Can i hire asteroids to damage npc miners?
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Uncle Bork
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.02.10 15:57:49 -
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The feature you are looking for is called a buy order. You pay money, you get ore. At the current rate the market is nose-diving, you can get a lot of it too.
Five-minute EVE
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.10 16:11:26 -
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The real question that no one has asked is would they still have to buy a mining permit?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.02.10 17:39:02 -
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Why hire an NPC miner when you could just hire a player to do it?
seriously there are hundreds of miners out there looking for a home and better opportunities. offer them a SRP and ore buyback program and boom, you've got yourself the starts of an industrial base. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2017.02.10 18:36:20 -
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This thread makes me want to hire NPCs to shoot miners...
Remove standings and insurance.
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