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Asezel
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Asezel on 25/04/2007 11:56:44
Compare 2 thanatos vs 1 Nyx.
2 Thanatos with 5 dronemodules has 30 fighters.
Nyx however 25.
Nyx loss is 20 times the Thanatos loss.
With not being able to insure it.
So actually the Nyx wich is a LOT more difficult to build is not inline with the cariers anymore.
Where as the Titan is now even further away in effectiveness (kills fleet in one go)The ship is therefor not inline with super capitals either anymore.
With interdictor bubbles coming to low sec in the future i foresee the mums being nerved in general way too much.
Why listening to whining from people thattrained another bs level.
While nerfing a whole carier skill level.
Wich takes twice the time.
As in one recon can jam/dampen a carier.
A Mum can not do solo a lot either.
You ALWAYS need support if serious.
A dread is invulnerable as well against EW when in siege.
Not mentioningthose that fly it without being able to activate a siegemodule though.
P.s. Indeed the caldari and the amarr have now more effective bonusses to use them in a dangerous situation.
With sloth layout boosting their bonusses.
With the Nyx less being able to reduce damage by killing few hostile ships.
Well that's my 2 cent and 23 bil spend on a Nyx.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tista on 25/04/2007 11:57:04
lol u whiney git, just because you lost your 10% bonus to drones, the nyx is fine as it is and i didn't even read your post!
ok read it now, i still don't understand what the issue is :S
you want your nyx to have a tanking bonus?
the nyx fits it's role perfectly, it assigns fighters to the fleet then stays alive/ supports them.. that is it's purpose, it's not really designed for front line fighting but is capable of doing so.
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Ichabod Crane
LFC
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ichabod Crane on 25/04/2007 11:58:45
Your
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YirYar
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Ichabod Crane
You can *not* launch 30 fighters in a thanatos. Not even with max skills.
sorry typo corrected
(2 carierpilots are easier to obtain than one Nyx btw)
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tista on 25/04/2007 11:59:14
you can say the same about anything really tbh, 2 dominix's vs 1 hyperion will have more guns and more ability to kill but at the end of the day that's two pilots not one.
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:02:00 -
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I'll give you 2x thanatos (ok 3x) and you give me your Nyx. Deal? I'll be happy to use that "gimped" ship.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:03:00 -
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So you picked a ship with an obvious out-of-the-line bonus (anybody with half a brain could see that there is something wrong with one MS getting douple its carrier counterpart¦s bonus while all others got only the same one as their carrier siblings) and now you complain about the fix that was about to be coming for sure?
Enjoy your nearly invincible ship while it lasts, I can already imagine your whine post when they make supercaptials warp-scramable :P
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Ichabod Crane
LFC
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
Originally by: Ichabod Crane
You can *not* launch 30 fighters in a Nyx. Not even with max skills.
corrected
Yeah, its been a long week 
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ichabod Crane
Originally by: Tista
Originally by: Ichabod Crane
You can *not* launch 30 fighters in a Nyx. Not even with max skills.
corrected
Yeah, its been a long week
it's only wednesday 
but i know the feeling
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
So you picked a ship with an obvious out-of-the-line bonus (anybody with half a brain could see that there is something wrong with one MS getting douple its carrier counterpart¦s bonus while all others got only the same one as their carrier siblings) and now you complain about the fix that was about to be coming for sure?
Enjoy your nearly invincible ship while it lasts, I can already imagine your whine post when they make supercaptials warp-scramable :P
i don't want them to.. to me it's a bit remidial to make such a powerful ship unable to defend itself from e-war combat 
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Asezel
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
So you picked a ship with an obvious out-of-the-line bonus (anybody with half a brain could see that there is something wrong with one MS getting douple its carrier counterpart¦s bonus while all others got only the same one as their carrier siblings) and now you complain about the fix that was about to be coming for sure?
Enjoy your nearly invincible ship while it lasts, I can already imagine your whine post when they make supercaptials warp-scramable :P
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And no its less than "douple".
Nowadays you can fly a BS in roughly one week
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:17:00 -
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Well they shouldnt be scrammable with only one point, but 20-30 points should be enough imho, that or a special capital class scrambler explusively designed for pinning supercapitals with huge fitting and drawbacks on the ship employing it.
If your support cant dispatch enough tackling ships to get you free in this scenario then you did something wrong and didnt bring enough
But having a permanent "get out of jail free" card is just wrong no matter how expensive the ship is.
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Asezel
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
Well they shouldnt be scrammable with only one point, but 20-30 points should be enough imho, that or a special capital class scrambler explusively designed for pinning supercapitals with huge fitting and drawbacks on the ship employing it.
If your support cant dispatch enough tackling ships to get you free in this scenario then you did something wrong and didnt bring enough
But having a permanent "get out of jail free" card is just wrong no matter how expensive the ship is.
What did i do wrong to The Pator Tech School?
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Jan Riksma
Appetite 4 Destruction
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.04.25 13:06:00 -
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Hi,
They only nerfed it by half. They should have taken away the whole damage fighter bonus and i also think they should remove all MS and Titans from game .
Cheers,
Jan
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Temptation inc.
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2007.04.25 13:12:00 -
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MINAMATER CARRIER + MS
nuff said 
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.25 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum
MINAMATER CARRIER + MS
nuff said
^^ archon + nid = almighty force until ecmed to the ground!
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NoNah
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Posted - 2007.04.25 13:57:00 -
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A rifter is about 500k including fitting.
That means thare are 2400 rifters on a thanatos - with very basic fitting, and about 6000 on one with a decent faction fitting.
Now, do show me the thanatos that will beat 6000 rifters. Rifters are way overpowered.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
A rifter is about 500k including fitting.
That means thare are 2400 rifters on a thanatos - with very basic fitting, and about 6000 on one with a decent faction fitting.
Now, do show me the thanatos that will beat 6000 rifters. Rifters are way overpowered.
that would be so cool... 6000 vs 1 but thana can sb them and run away with 13 drones buzzing aorund eating them:D
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:13:00 -
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Those ship cost comparisons are moot anyway unless you find a way for a single pilot to pilot 6000 rifters or 2 carriers or whatever you use for those examples at the same time ;)
Btw a hypothetical fight nyx vs 2 Thans would be boring anyway, nobody able to break other sides tank only difference being the Nyx can disengage at any time at will, the carriers cant.
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Shinjuro
ToXiC.
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:15:00 -
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FFS how many fighters does the OP want? And LOL @ this thread in general, sounds like a whine over the 10% damage switch to 5%.
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Mirasta
Aggressive Tendencies
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
Originally by: NoNah
A rifter is about 500k including fitting.
That means thare are 2400 rifters on a thanatos - with very basic fitting, and about 6000 on one with a decent faction fitting.
Now, do show me the thanatos that will beat 6000 rifters. Rifters are way overpowered.
that would be so cool... 6000 vs 1 but thana can sb them and run away with 13 drones buzzing aorund eating them:D
My Carrier has 5 faction smarties in high.
Ps, i dont own a carrier.
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Ariel Dawn
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum
MINAMATER CARRIER + MS
nuff said
Agreed. Nobody is allowed to whine about 'how bad their fighter damage bonus' is whilst the Nid and Hel have the worst tanks coupled with the worst bonus (using more cap repping faster makes it even harder to tank).
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Masochist
KTHNXDIE
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
MINAMATER CARRIER + MS
nuff said
Agreed. Nobody is allowed to whine about 'how bad their fighter damage bonus' is whilst the Nid and Hel have the worst tanks coupled with the worst bonus (using more cap repping faster makes it even harder to tank).
I am still a proud minnie
The minmatar carier class capitals have other bonus that are very usefull.
They can tank both armor or shield.
Have a real good caprecharge rate and also speed (agility?)
Wich make them harder to catch.
As in logistic platform they excell.
Though amarr might win there with his huge cap amount.
Wich in emergency cases might be very usefull.
Just my 2 cents poor minnie me.
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Awox
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Masochist
Have a real good caprecharge rate and also speed (agility?)
Wich make them harder to catch.
You're kidding, right?
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NoNah
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:53:00 -
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Rifters all orbitting at 11km ofc. =)
Seriously though the whole point is that such comparissons cant be made. Nothing says 2 merlins should be able to take down a kestrel, or that 2 procurers should take down a covetor etc. The ships are different, and I'd like to see the one turning down a Nyx for a thanatos with a dedicated carrierpilot. Yes, the cost is greater, but seeing how youre practically immune to death with that lil EW bonus of yours...
I doubt anyone in here would mind buying any ship at 20 times its price - if it was immune to ew? a 6 mil rifter - immunte to ew? A 2 bil Megathron?
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Temptation inc.
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Masochist
Have a real good caprecharge rate and also speed (agility?)
Wich make them harder to catch.
You're kidding, right?
must be sacasem
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Paigan
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.04.25 15:07:00 -
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A MS sure as hell is not meant to be a primary damage dealer.
It's a mothership.
If you want damage, i suggest you buy 20 Thanatos for the money.
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.25 15:55:00 -
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BS w/ t2 fit - 150 to 250m.
30 frigates - 30m
Who will win?
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.25 17:20:00 -
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Titans cant kill people if the people tank...So if your fleet tanks(its not the normal setup i know)then the titans affectiveness is brought down to helping a friendly fleet.
As for affectiveness a tier 1 bs is 60+mil,thats about 50 destroyers...If a bs and 50 destroyers go at it who wins?Its a question of the pilots really but if 50 destroyers jumped my geddon i dont think i'd win
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.25 17:50:00 -
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If you use a thanatos/nyx with 5 DCUs you are either a) a moron or b) delegating fighters from a safe position. In which case the nyx is the *only* mothership whose bonus has any effect.
The carrier - mothership price relation is identical for all races. You might argue that *motherships* are not inline with carriers, but why a directo cost comparsion is flawed has already be pointed out by other people.
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