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Daren Killar
Darkness Holdings Inc.
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Posted - 2017.02.14 21:06:54 -
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I am returning to Eve after a long...6 or 7 years... break. I am looking to do mostly trading and other things that do not require me to pay 100% attention 100% of the time while I play but also let me grow my bank roll. I have a couple of questions.
1. What are the major and minor hubs these days? I know Jita, obviously... I logged on to something like 2000 people there and I never remember there being more then 700.
2. What are the solid ways to make money in Eve these days for a solo player who wants to play mostly passively? I used to do a lot of station trading in Jita and will probably go back to that but I know the game has changed a lot and am not sure what else to look into.
Thank you! |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
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Posted - 2017.02.14 22:14:07 -
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Do Little
Virgin Plc
Evictus.
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Posted - 2017.02.14 23:00:47 -
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Trading frictions are higher - 2% transaction fee and 3% brokerage on every transaction. Reducing to 1% and 2% respectively with maximum skill (accounting, broker relations) and standing. Brokerage fees in Citadels are set by the owner.
Secondary hubs are Amarr, Dodixie and Rens.
Passive play is possible - buy in bottom half of cycle, relist in top half and forget about it until it sells. Requires patience and capital. |
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
The Bastion
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Posted - 2017.02.15 03:38:52 -
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Other than the market, PI and industry can be a good passive source of income. Not likely to become rich from doing them passively, but will add money over time. |
Veyreuth
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2017.02.16 15:41:05 -
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Hek is actually a thriving hub, especially for items that low sec PvPers use frequently. There is some activity in Teonusude. You can position yourself so you can easily bounce between Heimatar (Rens), Molden Heath (Teonusude), and Metropolis (Hek), working all three markets. You can also play some shipping games where you can buy low in one region and sell high in another. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2017.02.17 23:09:08 -
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The primary hub is Jita, the secondary hub is Perimeter.
Amarr and Dodixie used to be major hubs and remain relevant as regional hubs.
Rens and Hek no longer exist in any meaningful sense.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Luthor Ikkala
Skullwing productions
Home Defense Union
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Posted - 2017.02.18 08:25:26 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:The primary hub is Jita, the secondary hub is Perimeter.
Amarr and Dodixie used to be major hubs and remain relevant as regional hubs.
Rens and Hek no longer exist in any meaningful sense.
what Sabriz said you shouldnt consider hek or rens if you want to make isk in game. Yes it can be somewhat profitable not in a sense of isk/hr but for certain mods you will get higher margin out there but ofc volumes are so low that its hard to make decent amount of profit there! |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2017.02.19 06:16:20 -
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Eh, you can make ISK in the smaller places, you just need to do it differently.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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pinkajoo
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Posted - 2017.02.19 10:28:11 -
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Do a bit of everything:
-cook bluerprints overnight, relist in the morning
-list buy orders within a reasonable jump range
-setup PI factory planets between your hub of choice to your missioning area of choice
-put up sell/buy orders on mission hubs to catch the stuff from the lazier gamers
-etc etc..
The idea is to spread your investments, so that if one has a slow turnover rate the others can pick up the slack and your capital isn't tied up. You'll also pick up on trends that affect one another, like the recent Excavator Drones. |
Rotsner Deja
Rotsner Industries
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Posted - 2017.04.14 02:06:35 -
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A website I use helps a lot in this regard. It lists 5 major hubs and allows trading between them, and other stations, as well as station trading. Great for getting your feet wet again. The site is: https://evetrade.space and its been helpful for me no matter my ship size. Very accommodating. |
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Cista2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.14 06:00:15 -
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Rotsner Deja wrote: It lists 5 major hubs and allows trading between them
Now THAT would be useful :)
My channel: "Signatures"
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NanDe YaNen
Liberal Universalists
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Posted - 2017.04.17 09:54:14 -
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I sent an invite in game. I've also posted some top secret information about how to not be bad at trade.
For the next 2-3 months, Liberal Universalists will be focused on enhancing the markets of Eve, engaging in advanced market maneuvers and killing time by exploring wormholes and annoying any gatecamps fidgety enough to WTF warp off as soon as I warp into grid in my super threatening   Cheetah. |
Cor'El Dahken
Miasma Corporation
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Posted - 2017.04.17 11:45:26 -
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evenet.trade
This site allows a few parameters to be inputted for filtering and a search for specific items.
Haven't updated the SDE recently so a few skins aren't specified.
Updates every five minutes and shows current prices and volumes in the 5 major trade hubs. |
Alyla By
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Posted - 2017.04.17 13:23:18 -
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Cor'El Dahken wrote:evenet.tradeThis site allows a few parameters to be inputted for filtering and a search for specific items. Haven't updated the SDE recently so a few skins aren't specified. Updates every five minutes and shows current prices and volumes in the 5 major trade hubs.
Nice tool, but strangely it lists me the item name in french
I'm on a french ip, with an english operating system and a french keyboard layout. Would it be possible to be able to change the language name ? If there is such a button, I missed it :( |
Cor'El Dahken
Miasma Corporation
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Posted - 2017.04.17 14:51:38 -
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No such button.
Give me a bit I'll see what I can do. |
Davos Skyworth
Static-Noise
Upholders
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Posted - 2017.04.17 15:16:14 -
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I wouldn't discount Amarr as a trade hub, it being the wormhole capital of the world, you can get a steady supply of T3C materials if you are into that. |
Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2017.04.25 18:20:57 -
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Luthor Ikkala wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:The primary hub is Jita, the secondary hub is Perimeter.
Amarr and Dodixie used to be major hubs and remain relevant as regional hubs.
Rens and Hek no longer exist in any meaningful sense. what Sabriz said you shouldnt consider hek or rens if you want to make isk in game. Yes it can be somewhat profitable not in a sense of isk/hr but for certain mods you will get higher margin out there but ofc volumes are so low that its hard to make decent amount of profit there!
I am finding Hek to mostly have supply problems. Esp for t2 manufacturing materials.
TBH I am getting really annoyed that Jita remains king while the rest are becoming less active, it makes things very inconvenient.
Why IS this happening btw?
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
The Bastion
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Posted - 2017.04.25 21:11:58 -
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Momentum mostly I'd imagine. There is so much trade focused there, that if you want to trade your items in a reasonable time, that's the place to go. Since everyone who wants to trade goes there because that's where trade is, the amount of trade continues to increase. It's a positive feedback loop.
Since only so much trade is possible, it gets taken away from the other hubs. Since there really isn't any hard cap on trade in one place, there's nothing to push it back to the other hubs. Short of some sort of major change by CCP, I don't foresee the other hubs growing much at all. They'll likely stay regional hubs, but will never reach the levels of Jita. |
NanDe YaNen
Liberal Universalists
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:46:26 -
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Spreads are controlled by brokerage fees and taxes. Brokerage fees went up, so there became a 7% gap basically where traders can't create any liquidity without losing money. If you want to buy or sell, sure, you can just place an order and don't need to worry about going back across the spread. However, this requires volume for you to get that 3-4% extra when transacting goods. Volume comes with concentration of players. This favors one hub for all trade.
The rise in brokerage fees is what is concentrating players into one hub. The citadels are what will spread it back out. I'm looking for a resident citadel with a savvy owner who has a low brokerage fee in nullsec.
Liberal Universalists has much to say on this and other topics. Channel KORNS public. |
Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2017.04.26 00:30:54 -
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I see about 4 open trade fortizars in Hek but there is still no growth there...as far as I can tell.
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NanDe YaNen
Liberal Universalists
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Posted - 2017.04.26 14:58:27 -
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Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:I see about 4 open trade fortizars in Hek but there is still no growth there...as far as I can tell.
Follow me to Utopia. I'm moving there in a few weeks. THE LIBERAL AGENDA ratchets forward with smooth progress, glibly pronounced. I may pass through Kor-azor on the way.
Everyone and their dog thinks they will be the new Citadel in highsec, but the reality is that you're waiting for a chaotic accretion and the only way onto the map will be hiring a legion of people to run around and place cans and shout about you in local.
Yeah, it's an advertising war. Welcome to Eve Online.
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Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2017.04.26 17:52:46 -
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NanDe YaNen wrote:Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:I see about 4 open trade fortizars in Hek but there is still no growth there...as far as I can tell. Follow me to Utopia. I'm moving there in a few weeks. THE LIBERAL AGENDA ratchets forward with smooth progress, glibly pronounced. I may pass through Kor-azor on the way. Everyone and their dog thinks they will be the new Citadel in highsec, but the reality is that you're waiting for a chaotic accretion and the only way onto the map will be hiring a legion of people to run around and place cans and shout about you in local. Yeah, it's an advertising war. Welcome to Eve Online.
Well...that's the crux of the problem then isn't it?
Unlike before citadels everywhere but Jita there is now competition on which ones to use, and now for manufacturing and research as well as trade.
Jita still offers the best supply chains for research and manufacturing; especially now that you have alternatives to Jita 4-4, but 4-4 is still 'neutral ground' for trading most things - it is a quintessential positive feedback loop.
These activities are not concentrated enough in the other trade hubs (or former trade hubs).
This could be a problem for the game in general if most of the traffic in eve concentrates in the Jita area while the rest of space (mostly highsec and lowsec) becomes more sparsely populated.
Of course I could missing one thing and that is buy orders. Perhaps long term buy orders can benefit in areas far from Jita since many people cant be assed to haul their stuff to jita to sell.
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Punisher Ofara
Amar Adventurers
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Posted - 2017.04.27 07:50:50 -
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What was the original reason that Jita became the main hub? Is it something like that in the early days of Eve, most people chose Caldari as their race, and their starting location was near or in Jita? |
NanDe YaNen
Liberal Universalists
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Posted - 2017.04.27 11:45:52 -
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Punisher Ofara wrote:What was the original reason that Jita became the main hub? Is it something like that in the early days of Eve, most people chose Caldari as their race, and their starting location was near or in Jita?
Feedback mechanisms existed and there are few dampening forces so while there may have been factors that favored the probability of Jita getting ahead far enough in feedback to come to dominate, ultimately it is chaos, a system very sensitive to initial conditions. Slight changes in local population movement patterns in the early days of the game could have made large changes.
A cabal of traders could have sought to concentrate all throughput in a station where they had some marginal advantages. There could have been a trigger.
Whatever the case, the feedback mechanisms sealed it and the wide spreads we currently experience have somewhat amplified the effect.
If you could start eve from the beginning the feedback would concentrate all trade into hubs and the number of hubs would always be related to the cost of transport and market spreads.
If you want to participate in the next cabal, I suggest preparing for war next fall and joining or allying with Liberal Universalists. |
erg cz
ErgoDron
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Posted - 2017.04.28 13:29:03 -
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NanDe YaNen wrote:
Feedback mechanisms existed and there are few dampening forces so while there may have been factors that favored the probability of Jita getting ahead far enough in feedback to come to dominate, ultimately it is chaos, a system very sensitive to initial conditions. Slight changes in local population movement patterns in the early days of the game could have made large changes.
A cabal of traders could have sought to concentrate all throughput in a station where they had some marginal advantages. There could have been a trigger.
Whatever the case, the feedback mechanisms sealed it and the wide spreads we currently experience have somewhat amplified the effect.
If you could start eve from the beginning the feedback would concentrate all trade into hubs and the number of hubs would always be related to the cost of transport and market spreads.
If you want to participate in the next cabal, I suggest preparing for war next fall and joining or allying with Liberal Universalists.
I wonder what was original language of that google-translated wall of text...
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Henry Tesero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.05.14 01:42:34 -
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NanDe YaNen wrote:Spreads are controlled by brokerage fees and taxes. Brokerage fees went up, so there became a 7% gap basically where traders can't create any liquidity without losing money. If you want to buy or sell, sure, you can just place an order and don't need to worry about going back across the spread. However, this requires volume for you to get that 3-4% extra when transacting goods. Volume comes with concentration of players. This favors one hub for all trade.
The rise in brokerage fees is what is concentrating players into one hub. The citadels are what will spread it back out. I'm looking for a resident citadel with a savvy owner who has a low brokerage fee in nullsec.
Liberal Universalists has much to say on this and other topics. Channel KORNS public.
And CCP plans to raise the brokerage fee again. I'm sure it's been suggested before but why not adjust the NPC station fees based on utilization similar to the way manufacturing system index is done. Could spread people out again.
As for why Jita in the early days, I thought it had more to do with location, being only a few jumps from low sec and most regions. |
NanDe YaNen
Liberal Universalists
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Posted - 2017.05.18 11:40:27 -
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I've been somewhat detaching from the conversation while diving into faction warfare. Since my return, I've explored enough citadels and flipped enough goods in null, low, and hisec to draw some conclusions about where things are headed, but you don't need to look hard.
The iChooseYou trade hubs and Planet V are picking up enough sales and orders to become relevant in highsec. I see this as a growing fulcrum in warfare in Eve. I do not see it as the necessary center of the changes.
I am building a different identity for my corporation. I don't want to Liberal Universalists to be known primarily as the citadel owners but primarily as the station traders who shoot things.
I'll be getting more active in recruitment and establishment of policy to keep that identity focused in the coming months. In the meantime, I'm having fun marketing LP goods, nullsec materials, modules while bulk-fitting ships for myself, and dodging pirates to get into Inquisitor-Punisher gangs etc etc.
Don't worry about the trade hub stuff. Become good at market making and weak markets are your best markets. I am training people on how to do this in the public channel, KORNS Public, and I will be recruiting pew pew people for faction warfare and consequent LP marketing schemes. My corp is ready to start forming its identity by taking in members who want 50% of their game to be station trading and contracting while the other half is shooting people to facilitate and further the first half. |
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