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People Eater	Posted - 2007.04.25 18:01:00 - [1] I'm a few days from flying Minmatar Assault Frigs. It was a hard choice to be made between the Jaguar's combined 7 medium + low slots versus the Wolf's damage potential, and when all is said and done ill be flying them both. But for now I would like to see what some more experienced players think of this setup on a solo pvp Jaguar. Hi: x3 200mm autocannon II x1 Arbalest Rocket Launcher Medium: Gistii A-Type Afterburner Named Shield Booster Warp Scrambler II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Low: Gyrostabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II At the moment the biggest flaw I can possbile find in this setup would be the Kinetic Deflection Amplifier. IS the extra resistance worth having instead of a Webifier?
Umit Davala Corpus PCG	Posted - 2007.04.25 18:08:00 - [2] How about? 3x 150mm II 1x rocket launcher AB Scram Med SE Passive Kintic resist 2x Gyro w/e With 150s you dont really need the web. I suck at PvP though, so maybe take that setup with a pinch of salt
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.04.25 18:47:00 - [3] Originally by: People Eater I'm a few days from flying Minmatar Assault Frigs. It was a hard choice to be made between the Jaguar's combined 7 medium + low slots versus the Wolf's damage potential, and when all is said and done ill be flying them both. But for now I would like to see what some more experienced players think of this setup on a solo pvp Jaguar. Hi: x3 200mm autocannon II x1 Arbalest Rocket Launcher Medium: Gistii A-Type Afterburner Named Shield Booster Warp Scrambler II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Low: Gyrostabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II At the moment the biggest flaw I can possbile find in this setup would be the Kinetic Deflection Amplifier. IS the extra resistance worth having instead of a Webifier? The Jag is a "passive" shield tanker. I would use a shield extender instead of a booster. At the ranges you will be fighting, you want to be as nos-resistant as possible. Alterantively, use two shield resistance amps to plug up your holes. If you have to prioritize and can only plug one hole, go for kinetic. In the lows, I would dump the fiber. You are already the fastest non-interceptor combat frig out there. I'd put a DCII in there to upgrade your resistances and give your hull some protection. Or you could put in a tracking enhancer and upgrade to 200mm. The enhancer also gives you a bonus to optimal range. Optimal rage isn't really that useful on AC setups but the Jag already gets bonuses to optimal so you might as well playtoyour strenghts.
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:10:00 - [4] Isn't the whole idea of jaguar to fit arties and stay at a nice big range.. I suppose you could go AC's but a wolf will do a lot more damage and at 1km orbits who cares about the speed difference.. I'd fit arties and a nice ab/mwd and keep alpha-ing the **** out of things.. just me tho.. I'll see if I can fit my jag when I get back from work... All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:16:00 - [5] 3x 150mm t2 1x small nos mwd web disruptor / scrambler t2 med shield extender / regolith extender 2x pds t2 1x gyro t2 prwns
Jenstruant Fogg	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:57:00 - [6] 3x 125mm II 1x Small Nos 1x MWD 2x Med Extenders 1x Scrambler (20k or 7.5k, your choice) 2x MAPC 1x Gyrostab Win
Sionide Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.04.26 01:24:00 - [7] Originally by: slothe 3x 150mm t2 1x small nos mwd web disruptor / scrambler t2 med shield extender / regolith extender 2x pds t2 1x gyro t2 prwns Essentially my set up as well, though currently I have an spr instead of the second pdu... BTW an MWD is really key, I can't count how many times it has saved my ship in situations where I thought I was a goner.
K Raz Danish Trade and Mining Inc. Intergalactic Freelance Corporations	Posted - 2007.04.26 02:37:00 - [8] Has anyone tried and tested a passive shield tank setup that deals good damage outside web range? I fitted mine kinda like a mini-vagabond, and liked the setup, but would like it to operate outside web range. Current setup: 3x 150mm t2 1x malkuth rocket -- named MWD Medium named Shield Extender Named Shield booster 20 km Scram -- Gyro T2 Instab Nanofiber
People Eater	Posted - 2007.04.26 03:14:00 - [9] About how much dps could a Jaguar take if it was passively tanked? This idea intigues me, but only if it can take a good deal of punishment. Is it worth the increased signature radius of a shield extender? Also, I'm hesitant to use a MWD because I was counting on using the Jaguar's small signature radius to help tank it, especially against missile boats such as Drakes.
Freakdevil Gallente Death Monkey's With Knives Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.04.26 04:03:00 - [10] Originally by: People Eater About how much dps could a Jaguar take if it was passively tanked? This idea intigues me, but only if it can take a good deal of punishment. Is it worth the increased signature radius of a shield extender? Also, I'm hesitant to use a MWD because I was counting on using the Jaguar's small signature radius to help tank it, especially against missile boats such as Drakes. MWD is critical. As the Axe Gang dood said, it will save your arse. He is right. If u get webbed and scrambled by a faster ship, kiss it goodbye.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.04.26 05:43:00 - [11] Originally by: People Eater About how much dps could a Jaguar take if it was passively tanked? This idea intigues me, but only if it can take a good deal of punishment. Is it worth the increased signature radius of a shield extender? Also, I'm hesitant to use a MWD because I was counting on using the Jaguar's small signature radius to help tank it, especially against missile boats such as Drakes. PE-Use MWD for high-speed approach and turn it off when at optimal/orbiting (if you do that--orbiting). The sig hit of the MSE is relatively minor compared to the increased shield gain...but I don't think a Jag (or any assault frig) is going to take down a competently flown and equipped Drake solo. You will be able to soak more damage while trying I fly both Jaguar and Wolf frequently. The Wolf is a nice arty kite (CPU fit is impossible without AWU) and up-close with AC's...but I prefer to have a webber onboard hence the Jaguar for up close: 3x150 AC II, 1 sml named NOS 1xMWD T2, 1xnamed 20k scram, named webber, named MSE 1xDC 2, 1xPower something or another 2 , 1x gyro T2 Nice passive tank that charges pretty quick and can take a decent pounding. With skill you can run all mods for quite a long time...and on a target with no webber duck in and slurp a bit of cap. The Jag screams to be an arty platform but I cannot get them to fit PG-wise without gimping the lows with a MAPC and thats with AWU 3. I fit the 150's over the 200's for better high speed tracking (I hate drones). Both ships are great fun to fly. Just know what you can/cannot engage "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Gai Servos	Posted - 2007.04.26 06:34:00 - [12] This can take on a NPCing BS and kill it easily: 3x 150mm II, 1x salvager (nothing else fits LoL) 2xMSE II, warp scram II, MWD II MAPC x2, gyro II
Simian Smith	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:20:00 - [13] Originally by: People Eater About how much dps could a Jaguar take if it was passively tanked? This idea intigues me, but only if it can take a good deal of punishment. Ok, this is my first and only post to date, but I love this ship, so I had to chime in. Sorry if I brought a post back to life that should have stayed dead or something... I only use my Jag for PvE, so my set up will probably not be helpful to you in the slightest, but in respect to the above quote, my passive Jag set up can take a LOT of punishment. High: 3x 125 II, 1x 'Arbalest' Rocket Mid: 2x MSE II, 2x SR II Low: 2x PDS II, 1x SPR (best named) Rigs: 2x Core Field Defense Purger (-recharge) 3615 shield Hp 137 second recharge 26.38 hp/s regen with 65.97 hp/s at peak! 75/60/40/60 resists (standard) Tankable DPS EM = 263.8 EX = 164.9 KN = 109.9 TH = 164.9 To put the regen in perspective, a Large Armor Rep II (with Repair Systems IV) does 66.67 Hp/s, and my jag gets 65.97 hp/s! I have 125's on due to powergrid constraints, and the lack of web, and even against a corpmate's Retribution they still hit decently well while he orbited me. I tested my tank with the same corpmate in his Dominix while I sat perfectly still. We tested T2 Lights, T2 Mediums, T2 Heavies, and Sentries. T2 Lights and Mediums did the best, the Mediums getting me down to 56% shields, but then that is not even at peak regen yet, so I could have tanked them and THEN some. Heavies couldn't hit me often enough to deal any real damage (down to 80%, I think). I could tank 2 sentries, adding the third would have killed me... eventually. While moving, he would never EVER have killed me. For the record, I wtfpwnt his Retribution as well. Sorry for the post necromancy, but I JUST got my Jag a couple of months ago, and I was cruising through the forums looking for a pvp set up for it, and I just couldn't help but post.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Keitaro Baka Isn't the whole idea of jaguar to fit arties and stay at a nice big range.. I suppose you could go AC's but a wolf will do a lot more damage and at 1km orbits who cares about the speed difference.. I'd fit arties and a nice ab/mwd and keep alpha-ing the **** out of things.. just me tho.. I'll see if I can fit my jag when I get back from work... actually I find the jag i better at tackling than the wolf for me the wolf is a better long range ship with 4 arties as far as the jag goes you really should fit a dmg control on the lows :) and thr 50% bonus to range will help with allowing 125mm to hit but 200mm with the range bonus will allow you to orbit faster all in all go passive for PvP so that you don't get nosed ----------------------------------- remember this name devs Jaron D someday I'll be the head of your art department! or at least hold the position of coffee/animation intern guy sign
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.29 06:05:00 - [15] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/06/2007 06:06:25 Dont post good setups for this ship.. didnt you see what happened to the hurricane? You will only get it nerfed if many people start believing its better than the gallente versions. Im flying one now and I really dont want it nerfed so i have to change my great setup. The key to keeping a great setup is not talking about it, thats what ive learned. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Simian Smith	Posted - 2007.06.29 06:23:00 - [16] Umm, my set up is only a tank, and all it's ability to do much of anything is devoted strictly to survival, so I seriously doubt that my mission set up is going to get the Jaguar nerfed. I am not so sure that you can make a passively tanked pvp Jaguar that can scram or web (definitely not both) without losing a LOT of tank. If you CAN, take Jim's advice and don't post it here. Just send it to ME, Simian Smith, in an eve-mail. Uh, and I... um... promise to make sure that all the good Jag pilots get a copy... and stuff... I will refund the iskies you spent to send it!
Drazin DawnTreader The Elear	Posted - 2007.06.29 21:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Simian Smith Originally by: People Eater About how much dps could a Jaguar take if it was passively tanked? This idea intigues me, but only if it can take a good deal of punishment. Ok, this is my first and only post to date, but I love this ship, so I had to chime in. Sorry if I brought a post back to life that should have stayed dead or something... I only use my Jag for PvE, so my set up will probably not be helpful to you in the slightest, but in respect to the above quote, my passive Jag set up can take a LOT of punishment. High: 3x 125 II, 1x 'Arbalest' Rocket Mid: 2x MSE II, 2x SR II Low: 2x PDS II, 1x SPR (best named) Rigs: 2x Core Field Defense Purger (-recharge) 3615 shield Hp 137 second recharge 26.38 hp/s regen with 65.97 hp/s at peak! 75/60/40/60 resists (standard) Tankable DPS EM = 263.8 EX = 164.9 KN = 109.9 TH = 164.9 To put the regen in perspective, a Large Armor Rep II (with Repair Systems IV) does 66.67 Hp/s, and my jag gets 65.97 hp/s! I have 125's on due to powergrid constraints, and the lack of web, and even against a corpmate's Retribution they still hit decently well while he orbited me. I tested my tank with the same corpmate in his Dominix while I sat perfectly still. We tested T2 Lights, T2 Mediums, T2 Heavies, and Sentries. T2 Lights and Mediums did the best, the Mediums getting me down to 56% shields, but then that is not even at peak regen yet, so I could have tanked them and THEN some. Heavies couldn't hit me often enough to deal any real damage (down to 80%, I think). I could tank 2 sentries, adding the third would have killed me... eventually. While moving, he would never EVER have killed me. For the record, I wtfpwnt his Retribution as well. Sorry for the post necromancy, but I JUST got my Jag a couple of months ago, and I was cruising through the forums looking for a pvp set up for it, and I just couldn't help but post. Thats pretty nice. I just ran numbers on a setup similar to yours. I can use 150mm's (no launcher) 2 MSE II's 2 SR II's 3x SPR Beta's I get 3416hp and 89hp/sec regen peak. Thats pretty neat.
AstroPhobic Minmatar STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:39:00 - [18] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 29/06/2007 22:38:38 Highs 3x 150mm Autocannon II [Barrage/Phased/EMP] 1x Arbalest Rocket Launcher [Phalanx, Preference] Meds 1MN Microwarpdrive II Medium Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor [Preference slot, really] Lows 2x Gyrostabalizer IIs Overdrive Injector II Standard Setup. Might have CPU issues, haven't flow a jag in a while.
Simian Smith	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:01:00 - [19] Thats pretty nice. I just ran numbers on a setup similar to yours. I can use 150mm's (no launcher) 2 MSE II's 2 SR II's 3x SPR Beta's I get 3416hp and 89hp/sec regen peak. Thats pretty neat. edit Slapped this setup together ingame: 3x 150mm 'Scout' 2x MSE II 2x SR II 3x Beta SPR 2x Purger rig I my numbers were 'slightly' off. but pretty close. 3416 shield HP 92.66 HP/sec Shield regen (peak) Gives me: Crappy DPS Crappy Speed 372 DPS vs EM 232 DPS vs Exp/Thm 155 DPS vs Kin Still pretty cool if you ask me. Like a Drake, but smaller. Wow, how did you fit all that? AWU V or was it just that you did not fit a launcher? I had to use two PDS to get the MSE II's to fit, and I wanted the launcher to help maximize DPS. Also, rockets have an interesting tendency to hit when my guns won't track, so I wanted to make sure that I would be hitting with something in a worst case scenario. Nice work on the fitting, btw. I will have to mess around with that set up... If the OP is out there and still looking for info, I think I derailed your topic... Oops?
Simian Smith	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:41:00 - [20] Nevermind, I figured it out... I only have Shield Upgrades to 4. I will be bumping that up soon, and AWU up a rank as well just for the heck of it.
Drazin DawnTreader The Elear	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:48:00 - [21] :) I -think- I have all of my fitting related skills maxed.

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