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pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.05.01 12:03:00 - [211] The quoted post was removed or edited, -Scyd ([email protected]) Flaming is not allowed in CAOD. Personal attacks are also not allowed in CAOD. Please contact us at [email protected] if you have any questions or comments, -Scyd ([email protected]) Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why - Targoviste
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.01 12:15:00 - [212] The quoted post was removed or edited, -Scyd ([email protected])
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.01 12:17:00 - [213] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Troubadour wait a minute. wasn't it the cooalition claiming "WE KILLED THE POS AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!" a few weeks ago after losing 42 dreads for what turned out to be nothing? And that has got what to do with what? Oh and btw...where is that Titan. I think some of you said that when we see the killmails from it's Dooms Day that you will be laughing. I dont see the DD or the new Titan. Oh and Hi Dianabolic...would you like to comment on that It wasn't a titan, it was an Aeon, re-read that thread mate. k. You believe what your masters want to believe. I believe what my common sense makes me believe, from the gathered facts. Btw, what did 42 (or 55-60) dreads mean for the Coalition? I don't know in absolute, but it barely meant anything. My knowledge says that the ones who've lost one sit in new from a while now. Do I see D2, AAA, RA, IRON, MM, RZR & Co lacking in capitals? Hell no. Would the Coalition jump the chance if another one like this gets in the way? My bet is 100% Yes. Did BoB & Co jump the chance? Freaking "No". I'm waiting the RA titans. It's pretty logical that there should be some. And then, the Alliance will have a very big problem. Who in the Alliance besides BoB has titans? No one. Who has the economy to build them besides BoB? No one since all have to pay rent to them, in a way or another or cope with the losses what harassing forces give to them. Scarry times are ahead of us, but not for the Coalition. To Pershphanie : An Eve pet is an entity that lives in BoB's conquered space, waits for BoB to bring capitals when sov is threaten and also barely acknowledges that they pay rent. You write nice lines, but nonetheless, crap. See you on the battlefield.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.05.01 12:52:00 - [214] lol @ iron slandering me and calling me names when I accused them of name calling and slander. Thx for proving my point. Discussing how uber you are and calling everyone who disagrees with something say a "bob pet" isn't going to pass off as proper logic here. No one's buying that. A "bob pet" as you define it seems to be anyone who you don't like. I'm not on bob's side. I'm on t1ts side. We don't get bob's permission before doing anything. We don't take orders from them. If our alliance came across a bob member in space their order is to open fire. Just like bob would do to us. There is no collaboration what so ever. I don't care what happens to bob or what happens to bob space. It simply doesn't effect us. In the same way bob probably doesn't care what we do either. We are unrelated.Not liking your alliance has nothing to do with anything bob does. So enough with the slander, name calling and mislabeling. Propaganda was never your strong point. You should let D2 handle that for you. They are much better at it. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why - Targoviste
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.01 12:52:00 - [215] Pet, peon, tenants, etc. Those are the names that your chosen masters, BoB, have tagged you with themselves. If you're tired of being called those names, then take it up with them. I won't say that Fade means nothing to D2, but it certainly isn't a crippling blow. Not too many people remember that Goons took a Fade station briefly during the Cloud Ring fight, with a pretty small fleet and a couple of SMASH capships. -------------------------------------
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.01 12:53:00 - [216] Originally by: pershphanie lol @ iron slandering me and calling me names when I accused them of name calling and slander. Thx for proving my point. Discussing how uber you are and calling everyone who disagrees with something say a "bob pet" isn't going to pass off as proper logic here. No one's buying that. A "bob pet" as you define it seems to be anyone who you don't like. I'm not on bob's side. I'm on t1ts side. We don't get bob's permission before doing anything. We don't take orders from them. If our alliance came across a bob member in space their order is to open fire. Just like bob would do to us. There is no collaboration what so ever. I don't care what happens to bob or what happens to bob space. It simply doesn't effect us. In the same way bob probably doesn't care what we do either. We are unrelated.Not liking your alliance has nothing to do with anything bob does. So enough with the slander, name calling and mislabeling. Propaganda was never your strong point. You should let D2 handle that for you. They are much better at it. FWIW, I don't consider you a pet. -------------------------------------
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.05.01 12:59:00 - [217] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: pershphanie lol @ iron slandering me and calling me names when I accused them of name calling and slander. Thx for proving my point. Discussing how uber you are and calling everyone who disagrees with something say a "bob pet" isn't going to pass off as proper logic here. No one's buying that. A "bob pet" as you define it seems to be anyone who you don't like. I'm not on bob's side. I'm on t1ts side. We don't get bob's permission before doing anything. We don't take orders from them. If our alliance came across a bob member in space their order is to open fire. Just like bob would do to us. There is no collaboration what so ever. I don't care what happens to bob or what happens to bob space. It simply doesn't effect us. In the same way bob probably doesn't care what we do either. We are unrelated.Not liking your alliance has nothing to do with anything bob does. So enough with the slander, name calling and mislabeling. Propaganda was never your strong point. You should let D2 handle that for you. They are much better at it. FWIW, I don't consider you a pet. Well if I am a pet, then I want to be a pet llama. FYI - I really do have a pet llama. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why - Targoviste
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.01 13:25:00 - [218] For what I remember, being a resident at the time, D2 didn't give much of a flying rat ass about the Goons conquest of I-UU and we the residents did a lot of the bubbling and camping of the system. In Fade now I see 9 POSes being dropped in C4C and their only titan here day in day out. I know they didn't have a titan back in the day, but do you think it would have been there? While I'm sure my memory fails me regarding the bob invasion, somewhat, I'd dare say there're obvious differences... ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.01 14:43:00 - [219] People say that D2 has lots of capital ships. That might be very true, but what is the use of them if no one logs in and plays? What is the use of them if people just don't defend the systems but go on a wild-goose chase in completely different areas while the motherships they used are very much needed at the front? No, if D2 doesn't learn how to work together and actually fight in force they will lose everything! Remember one or two weeks ago when they appeared in force with lots of capitals and support fleet? They killed a lot of hostile ships and enemy pos. If they would keep up that sort of pressure YW and MC constantly and not only once every 4 weeks then enemies of D2 would have quite a troublesome time.
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.01 18:07:00 - [220] But you all forget that D2 is a generic alliance of people who like to enjoy the many different aspects of this game. You can be a pirate, a trader, a fighter, a researcher or a veldspar tycoon as CCP says and from what I hear D2 do it all. So fo a generic entity they are doing quite good. Oc not as good as teh true ebil pvpers in the long run but that is only to be expected no? Well perhaps I am wrong I dont know them that well on the inside but I had a long holliday (and a few short ones) in the North-ish and I unfortunately read these forums often enough to form an opinion, right or wrong. Whar trully amazes me is why they partcipated in or even instigated the "world war" against BoB et all. I mean clearly the only one to profit from this was RA (as with all shady deals in eve ) and to an extent some of RA's pets like GOONS. (Other pets were oblitareted but I wont name any names). Why everybody else got involved and especially D2 is really beyond me. D2 corps (knowing how much interested in isk and stability they seem to be) should have created alt piwate corps for their pvp kicks but never involve their mains... Anyway, the future will probably be interesting... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.

Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.01 18:11:00 - [221] "Why everybody else got involved and especially D2 is really beyond me." If it was pretty well understood that after BOB delt with GOONs/RA you were going to be next...getting involved isn't hard to understand.
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.05.01 19:11:00 - [222] Originally by: Farham "Why everybody else got involved and especially D2 is really beyond me." If it was pretty well understood that after BOB delt with GOONs/RA you were going to be next...getting involved isn't hard to understand. They scare you that much?
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.01 19:15:00 - [223] "They scare you that much? Laughing" A very competent enemy with known fleets of Titans, Motherships and Capitals which also totes around a very good friend (MC) that also can bring the wood in terms of super capitals. What does scare have to do with it? Has everything to do with being logical.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.01 19:22:00 - [224] Originally by: Farham "Why everybody else got involved and especially D2 is really beyond me." If it was pretty well understood that after BOB delt with GOONs/RA you were going to be next...getting involved isn't hard to understand. Precisely. Let's imagine for a moment that D2 & the northern coalition didn't enter the war. RA/GOON/TCF/IAC are up against BoB and a pre-death LV, as well as most likely the rest of the BoB pets and MC in some form. Things could be much different now. Back to the current situation, you have MC/YW/etc. taking over stations in the north that they cannot or won't hold forever, BoB trying to beat back the southern coalition, and LV is mostly a non-factor now. BoB is very much contained in the southwest, and not free to attack far from home on a whim as they once were. -------------------------------------
qantua gnartians Gallente Fun Inc Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.01 19:34:00 - [225] Originally by: Crellion Whar trully amazes me is why they partcipated in or even instigated the "world war" against BoB et all. I mean clearly the only one to profit from this was RA (as with all shady deals in eve ) and to an extent some of RA's pets like GOONS. (Other pets were oblitareted but I wont name any names). Why everybody else got involved and especially D2 is really beyond me. D2 corps (knowing how much interested in isk and stability they seem to be) should have created alt piwate corps for their pvp kicks but never involve their mains... Anyway, the future will probably be interesting... D2 did not start this bob actually made the first tactical moves in this conflict. After the ASCN loss/win had been consolidated BoB payed MC to head north, while they them self did fast raids, nothing really happend MC did not gain any ground and then bob went head over heals into the LV/RA conflict, but could not actually help LV partially because D2 had decided to respond in kind to the initial MC/bob roadtrip north. And the current events were basicly started by YW a few months back, unfortunally MC werent as avaliable at the time as it had been expected so it sort of ended in FLA holding cloudring for a few weeks. with this incursion not really being a BoB invasion and everyone Both MC and BoB having hostiles that can enter their home anyday and a track record of abandoning conquests when troble roams at other fronts, it might not be to bad a tactic to simply wait it out, YW did that themself when FLA took most of Cloud Ring. -- I hereby represents myself and noone but myself, please dont make my corp or aliance responsible for my foolish ramblings.
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.01 19:38:00 - [226] Originally by: Farham A very competent enemy with known fleets of Titans, Motherships and Capitals which also totes around a very good friend (MC) that also can bring the wood in terms of super capitals. What does scare have to do with it? Has everything to do with being logical. Some might call this a challenge. Some others just crawl and bow.
Meriones TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:29:00 - [227] What are the Red's army (The Coalition) fighting for again
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:32:00 - [228] Quote: Some might call this a challenge. Some others just crawl and bow. You mean there's no challenge to be had on BoB's side? Many important alliances, 3 (now 2, known) titans, as many or more motherships and capital ships (got so many losing 42 doesn't seem to be important at all)... seems quite challenging to me. At least that's what we thought here on Princeps and that's why we signed up when -Y- gave us the chance. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
3xcit3 The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:42:00 - [229] i¦m very sad you chose the wrong side
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.01 22:44:00 - [230] It's just a game man, at the end of the day even if it turns out to be a "bad" decision no one can't take away the fun we'll have had in the road. That's enough. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:17:00 - [231] Edited by: Plutoinum on 01/05/2007 23:14:32 Originally by: Crellion Whar trully amazes me is why they partcipated in or even instigated the "world war" against BoB et all. Because D2 (formerly G) and BoB are long-term enemies. D2 knew they were on BoBs list, too. Sitting there and closing the eyes, until the war is over, wouldn't have been wise. So maybe they thought it's smarter to engage with RA and the rapetrain, instead of maybe having to deal with BoB alone later. I don't think that it's too surprising that D2 made that step, BoB was surely not surprised either. ( Guess the only thing that was unforseen by BoB is that LV got under so much pressure by the train and got overrun. BoB probably thought if D2 pays a visit, then they go back home, bash D2, while LV is still holding out some more weeks against RAGoon and go back east after that. ) ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
ispyozs	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:51:00 - [232] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 01/05/2007 23:14:32 Originally by: Crellion Whar trully amazes me is why they partcipated in or even instigated the "world war" against BoB et all. Because D2 (formerly G) and BoB are long-term enemies. D2 knew they were on BoBs list, too. Sitting there and closing the eyes, until the war is over, wouldn't have been wise. So maybe they thought it's smarter to engage with RA and the rapetrain, instead of maybe having to deal with BoB alone later. I don't think that it's too surprising that D2 made that step, BoB was surely not surprised either. ( Guess the only thing that was unforseen by BoB is that LV got under so much pressure by the train and got overrun. BoB probably thought if D2 pays a visit, then they go back home, bash D2, while LV is still holding out some more weeks against RAGoon and go back east after that. ) weren't you the person that said RAgoons would never over run -v- and LV. you talk alot.
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:27:00 - [233] Im gonna try not to smack in this thread. ENough ppl doing that already. I have nothing but respect for MC. They have put up one **** of a performance sofar. They bring it all the time. I havent seen any notable smack from either side so far in fade. Youwhat, i dont need to say what i feel about them. However, i just wanna add this. Without MC backing u up in Fade ud be locked up in CR by now. Thats a fact. Only reason u still are in Fade is because MC are there. But sofar you guys are fun to fight in smaller gangs. You bring it there. That is what ive seen atleast. There is alot of smack because we didnt counter the engagement with capital ships earlier. I think i wrote something about it in the beginning of this tread. We were outnumbered capitalwise and would have lost alot of caps if we had engaged. And oh, to the op, no we havent given up fade.
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:32:00 - [234] Originally by: Le Cardinal . Youwhat, i dont need to say what i feel about them. However, i just wanna add this. Without MC backing u up in Fade ud be locked up in CR by now. Thats a fact. Only reason u still are in Fade is because MC are there. The only reason Dusk and Dawn still exists is because redswarm has bob occupied. That's a fact too.
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.02 09:35:00 - [235] Le Cardinal, I don't think you'll find a single -Y- pilot who'll claim we could be invading Fade on our own. Basically because we're a 700 people alliance, who're not even all in the same timezone, against a, how many you are now, 2000? We are just part of the Alliance offensive in the north. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:18:00 - [236] Originally by: Karunel Le Cardinal, I don't think you'll find a single -Y- pilot who'll claim we could be invading Fade on our own. Basically because we're a 700 people alliance, who're not even all in the same timezone, against a, how many you are now, 2000? We are just part of the Alliance offensive in the north. Fair enough mate. Thats a honest reply. :) Im just tired of all the ppl smacking constantly behind their alts trying to look very cool. Especially smack from ppl who are not even there. If they claim to be so uber, why dont they pay Fade a visit. We do have a titan there, but during heavy sieges from MC/YW/rest there is usually minimum 1 BoB titan there also. So there aint any reason to exaggerate from any side. Not pointing my finger at u.
Ford Chicago Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:22:00 - [237] I'm hesitant to post at all in a thread like this but wtf... D2 is certainly NOT giving up the North. I think that recent actions are excellent evidence of this. What annoys me is that forum warfare in threads like this goes on for pages. What does the OP know of anything of D2s plans? Or the Coalition plans? Or Sparta? Or IRON? Or Morsus Mihi? D2 gets lambasted in forums for "bringing it" when we're outnumbered, such as in F-T, and at the same time lambasted for avoiding conflicts where our risk calculus says to hold off, such as in Fade in certain fights. Warfare in Eve is not about bringing your top ten fighters against the enemie's top ten fighters. It's a little bit about blobbing the hell out of a system if necessary. It's a lot about being selective about where and when you fight and for why. Losing 100 T2 Fleet Fit Battleships to destroy an enemy frigate is not good warfare in Eve or RL. Losing 100 T2 Fleet Fit Battleships to destroy 100 Capitals is good warfare in Eve and RL. You are free to declare D2 dead when D2 declare's itself dead. Until then, we're just positioning for the next battle.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:46:00 - [238] Edited by: Proxay on 02/05/2007 10:46:19 Edited by: Proxay on 02/05/2007 10:46:01 Edited by: Proxay on 02/05/2007 10:44:59 Edited by: Proxay on 02/05/2007 10:42:55 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Stuff You make it sound like you're operating off facts, but really, you're operating off what you want to hear. Xelas, FATAL, Axe, MC, Aftermath....etc...do not pay ANY rent to bob, fact. Quote: k. You believe what your masters want to believe. Huh, I'll believe what i believe, just as they'll believe what they want. Quote: Did BoB & Co jump the chance? Freaking "No". Take the same pos they attacked right, and then remember, how did bob kill those capitals...oohhhh right, they dropped their whole capital fleet there...so there's no way they'd risk their capitals in combat...right? Quote: Scarry times are ahead of us, but not for the Coalition. I disagree, D2 has lost 4+ outposts already, bob hasn't lost any yet (they lost one and re-captured it), so that tells me at the moment, you guys arn't making much progress...don't take this as smack, but simply an assesment of what you're doing so far stats-wise. Killing bob pets =/= killing bob. BTW: bob is averging 200:20 per day, that's not something to be laughed at in a full scale war. edit 2-3-4+ Can't get the quote tags to work :S God I hope this is under 24kb It is :) Kreul Intentions
Zylatis The Inner Legion EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.02 10:47:00 - [239] They're lulling yall into a false sense of security. Seen the movie Hustler?
Frogzuk Dragonian Freelancers CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.02 11:26:00 - [240] "have d2 given up the north" this is actually forum propaganda by the op at its worse. and i agree this subject needs locking for the lack of real content and trolling .. smacking etc



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