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Ahz	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:35:00 - [1] Here's an idea that's getting some positive feedback in the features forum. There's so little traffic down there that I thought I'd bring it up here and see people kick it around a litle bit. I think it would be cool to have large roving faction NPC fleets passing through 0.0 space. They'd: - Spawn in some random 0.0 system. Maybe at a planet - Move to a gate and jump through - Travel a dozen jumps or so - Warp to some other random planet and disapear In addition to this they'd: - Be very rare. Occuring once or twice a day - Be large (maybe 20 ships or more) - Include a mix of regular, faction, battleships, cruisers, frigs, scrams and haulers - Be very aggressive. More so than typical gate rats - Have enough AI so that they chase off opponents and continue on their journey - Spawn different types. Angels in Sansha space for example - Have the typical bounties and drop the typical loot The idea is that they'd act as a random roving complex or moveable lvl 4 mission. If you come across one you could choose to avoid it or call in support and take it on. It would shake things up in 0.0.
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:37:00 - [2] do it NPC space such as curse and you get my vote. Recruiting Terrorists
Hannobaal Gallente Utopian Frontier	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:39:00 - [3] I like. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:43:00 - [4] I 100% support this idea, that would be excellent. Imagine one of them arriving on an unsuspecting gatecamp! I think they should have very low or zero bounty though, so they aren't just farmed like everything else. --- Originally by: Tista i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:51:00 - [5] Wouldn't mind seeing this in lowsec Empire space. Skirmishes between the Gallente and the Caldari, or between the Amarr and the Minmatar. Maybe even some minor empire fleets like the Ammatar and Khanid. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:52:00 - [6] This gets my vote, and more ideas, in the original ideas forum section too
Haizum Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Marquis Dean I 100% support this idea, that would be excellent. Imagine one of them arriving on an unsuspecting gatecamp! I think they should have very low or zero bounty though, so they aren't just farmed like everything else. I'm all for it too, but as for farming them they could act as an actual fleet and not respawn, so once they're all dead, that's it. Eve has got lots of realism built in and enormous time given to making everything seem like a living breathing world, even the NPCs. At the moment they are a bit lacking in terms of belt spawning, predictable. Having NPC fleets would help with the overall living aspect of the game, along with helping with backstories of wars between NPC factions. I'm for it. --------------- If you are ferocious in battle, remember to be magnanimous in victory. - Lt. Col. Tim Collins
Kahrek Laume Gallente Mirage Industries	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:58:00 - [8] What you want is a bit of a universe like there is in the X series, of course i realize that implementing such a complex system in a MMO would be nearly impossible but the universe in the X series (While buggy) is quite lively. NPC have actual convoys leaving from X heading to Y and carrying products that X sold and Y buys. There are NPC invasions and factional warfare between them at times. Just seems to me more NPC liveliness would be very fun to see, i like this idea that is for sure. Kahrek Laume.
Par'Gellen Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.04.25 20:17:00 - [9] 100% cool! Awesome idea! --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!
demonfurbie Minmatar Blaine Institute for Advanced Research Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2007.04.25 20:35:00 - [10] i like it it would give a chance to test fleet setups with gangs and it would also beat the **** outta chaining bs spawns.
Syrann The Praxis Initiative FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.25 20:47:00 - [11] So long as they also jumped to belts to look for miners / ratters and probed you down if you tried to hide in SS. ------------ It's great to be Ama... Erm crappit, nevermind.
LVSOCOM Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.04.25 20:49:00 - [12] This would fit nicely inside factional warefare. Any reason these convoys wouldn't start in the pirate factions home system and head to low-sec or empire? Afterall, these pirate factions already operate in the area, wouldn't it be natural for say Angel Corporation to send a resupply/reinforcement convoy to Heimatar region?
Nite Angelus Gallente Grave Diggers Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.04.25 23:31:00 - [13] Originally by: LVSOCOM This would fit nicely inside factional warefare. Any reason these convoys wouldn't start in the pirate factions home system and head to low-sec or empire? Afterall, these pirate factions already operate in the area, wouldn't it be natural for say Angel Corporation to send a resupply/reinforcement convoy to Heimatar region? Although from a rp perspective this would make sense, it would make them too easy to farm as you would only have to wait around a few core systems and engage them as soon as they spawned. i do like the idea of them randomly spawning in different systems and visiting asteroid belts, it would ensure that anyone running a mining op would have to keep on their toes, ensuring that there is at least some support ready to warp in and help out. This would add another element of risk to perhaps a safe way of making isk and it would also strengthen corps/alliances infrastructure of dealing with unannounced threats.
Ahz	Posted - 2007.04.26 00:51:00 - [14] Couple things: The original idea about making them random and rare was to keep them from being farmable. I'm totally against the static complexes for exactly this reason. I think that all complexes should have to be probed down or that they be provided by agents. Static farmable complexes = bad The other hidden issue is the level of AI that gets attributed to these entities. While there are a lot of great things about Eve, NPC AI is not one of them. Seeing some massive NPC fleet move and attack in a coordinated fashion would be the bomb. As has been mentioned by someone else, there's a general lack of NPC integration into the game. The belt rats don't make a lot of sense when you stop and think about it. Neither to the gate rats. And they turn into kind of a grind. Once you figure out what kind of damage they do and how to fit for them there's very little surprise of variation. I'm heartend by the response so far. Maybe there's enough here to get CCP to take a look at it.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.04.26 02:00:00 - [15] Do it. Those pathetic NPCs need some brains, need to learn to fight. Take back their space... - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - ISD will never find me... In my signature!
Sable Keetch	Posted - 2007.04.26 02:02:00 - [16] Edited by: Sable Keetch on 26/04/2007 01:59:14 I have to say that idea sounds great.It might be a bit difficult to set up for the devs but if done right could add some really cool encounters to the game.
Retromash Minmatar Order of the Lamp	Posted - 2007.04.26 02:22:00 - [17] Not a bad idea, and I approve of it, IF they can code a decent ai. Perhaps forget about using an AI. Use a player, where instead of logging into your character, you can log in as an npc, where you're given command of an npc spawn. You pilot one ship and the others act as your drones. Random system selection so you don't know where you'll spawn, and you're not told. No chat, no information to say where you are or where you're jumping, just take your spawn, find someone and engage. If you win, good for you, if you lose, you drop loot. Or you take too long and despawn, respawn across the galaxy and try again. PMS - It's not just for THAT time of the month Menopause - It doesn't mean THAT time of the month goes away
Tek'a Rain Gallente Isis Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.26 02:46:00 - [18] remove the NPC idea. give aurora more "funding" and keep those applications flowing in. this will allow Serpentis Admirals to jump down and stomp on people who are abusing Their space, same idea for all of the different factions. DONT load them up with faction loot, just make sure they are well fit, with well skilled up actors who have histories of pvp actions. these small details make the environment of eve more alive. less history on the page, more current events living and breathing and shooting you in the face.
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.26 03:35:00 - [19] If it works in the drone regions with good rewards (more than just alloys) I 100% support this idea
Feterous Jolin Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.26 03:43:00 - [20] I like the idea, would be something different to be sure...but perhaps, smaller gang sizes and more of them rather then fewer and larger...but just my opinion.
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.04.26 03:54:00 - [21] Hey, this is one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time and it's nice to see a suggestion not surrounding a module for a change. Very cool and would make the world seem more alive. _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.04.26 04:01:00 - [22] roaming drone hives anyone? ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.04.26 04:37:00 - [23] Aurora does this from time to time with different NPC factions, there was a big whine thread here a month or two ago after some gatecampers in EC got smoked after opening fire on a patrol of Mordu's Legion in faction-fitted CNRs
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.26 05:08:00 - [24] Hmm, on one level, I hate this idea, on another, I like it. This concept of dynamic ncps, on the one hand, gets to the very core of what Eve does not do. Many have argued, with good reason, against setting npcs up actively against players. Involve players in intrigue, yes; spark wars and territorial disputes between alliances, yes; engage players in various ways to help bring the world to life, yes. But don't set up player factions against npc factions. The story isn't about a player vs a game, it is about my group of friends building an empire in conflict with your group of friends. I know, there are missions, but those are by nature devoid of the dynamic quality that drives player interation. And that is as it should be, because it does not detract from the empire-building (we need our ISKies, don't we?) But on the other hand-- dang it, it does sound like a really good idea even though it strikes a chord of doubt in my soul. I think it would make things a bit more interesting if real players directed the fleets. Perhaps you could have an option for ISD to spawn these things when they felt like doing something "event-y" but on an impromptu basis. Let them log in, set a bounty level and what kinds of ships to include (how about a fleet of 20 faction frigs?), then have the system plop them down in a system with a destination set, and a series of stops at specific planets or asteroid belts. You can do it mission-like: Pick up something at this system 3 jumps away, take it to another system 20 jumps away, then travel to this other system 5 jumps in another direction and warp to a bookmarked spot before logging off with whatever remains of your fleet. I liked the idea above as treating the npc ships as drones. Let the game decide the spawn points, the destinations and the faction involved. Give the ISD actor something to transport or escort, a goal to accomplish to be "successful." Probably this is way too complex of a system to create, but it's a nice fantasy.
HyperBeanie Cynosures	Posted - 2007.04.26 06:39:00 - [25] Well... I've seen some kind of event team doing that, must have been CCP! All flying faction cruisers ;) So something like that exists. They went for gatecamps and so. ________________________________________________
Reycks Armunicus Gallente CoreTech Industries	Posted - 2007.04.27 00:43:00 - [26] Sounds good. I actually think something like it is in the works --------------- mods are strangely fixated on content...
Xarax Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.27 01:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Altrex Stoppel Maybe when they release faction warfare...maybe we'll see NPCs start dropping cynos This would ad quite an interesting twist to the game. Imagine the bounty/loot on an faction/officer carrier spawn That which does not kill you, only postpones the inevitable.
Jade Deer	Posted - 2007.04.27 02:14:00 - [28] Interesting idea... would certainly liven up a 1.0 zone gate once and a while.

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