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Podruski Reflex.	Posted - 2007.04.26 00:13:00 - [1] Its a sad era.. the age of solo piracy is gone. Thank you RA.
jimmyjam Gallente Turbulent	Posted - 2007.04.26 00:22:00 - [2] Maybe its dead for you, its not for me though. Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game,
Dr Slice kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.04.26 03:40:00 - [3] CCP has hurt solo anything, not just Piracy. Their obsession with prolonging combat (i.e. more hit pts across the board and soon heat management) has led to it's demise. Sure, there are some that still go out solo but the amount of available targets (those not in a gang) have decreased dramatically.
Mr Breakfast	Posted - 2007.04.26 03:55:00 - [4] Are more players in gang because they've learned to work together, or because other gameplay mechanics have changed?
Danari Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.26 04:17:00 - [5] RA?
Dr Slice kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.04.26 04:29:00 - [6] Edited by: Dr Slice on 26/04/2007 04:31:27 Originally by: Mr Breakfast Are more players in gang because they've learned to work together, or because other gameplay mechanics have changed? Here is my take on it. Players will evolve and adapt as game mechanics change over time. When you increase the resiliency of ships and make them more difficult to destroy (i.e. more time consuming) the counter to this is bring more firepower. This increased firepower comes by way of more gang mates. Here is a real ingame example of this evolution in practice after the Revelation patch. Solo BC tackles a ratting BC in a belt. 4-5 minutes pass and the ratting BC is tanking fine. The ratting BC calls in two friends who are 6 jumps away to assist. The tackling BC pops to a 3v1 a couple minutes later. Now this BC pilot I know who used to solo, travels in a gang now. CCP states they are trying to change the direction of the game to less blob warfare, but with each patch they release, they encourage it - whether its intentional or not, is left to be debated, but this is what is happening. Edit: (Clarification) I'm not saying a 3-man gang is a blob, just illustrating how dangerous it is to solo with no backup nearby. CCP mentioned the word "blob" in one of their blogs and I'm sure they are referring to 50-man fleets. But the concept is the same for smaller gangs.
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.04.26 07:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Podruski Its a sad era.. the age of solo piracy is gone. Thank you RA. Maybe you just suck at it? And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Low skillpoint Rifter piracy video
Alumion Deviance Inc	Posted - 2007.04.26 08:09:00 - [8] Edited by: Alumion on 26/04/2007 08:05:17 What does this have to do with RA? --- Liz: You are on the way to destruction. kublai: What you say !! Liz: You have no chance to survive make your time. Liz: Ha ha ha ha .... kublai: For great justice. -Zhett Haukes
Thanos Mortis Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.26 09:02:00 - [9] Try changing your hunting grounds?
1tommo1 Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.26 11:11:00 - [10] Im sure Ive seen this thread before somewhere.....
Trinity Faetal Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.26 11:19:00 - [11] quit your whining already. Massively Multilayer Online Game. getting ganked by a group of 100 ppl is what u should expect and not a solo ibis trying to kill ur carrier in deep 0.0 -- Bakka! bakka! bakka! bakka! bakka! bakka! bakka!
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.26 11:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Trinity Faetal quit your whining already. Massively Multilayer Online Game. getting ganked by a group of 100 ppl is what u should expect and not a solo ibis trying to kill ur carrier in deep 0.0 Qft, it's a multiplayer game ladie's, solo stuff is still out there, you just have to look, learn and adapt. The game changes and evolve's, you either keep up or fall behind and die BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Cinders Khalaris The Movement	Posted - 2007.04.26 11:51:00 - [13] Stupid thread imo.
H Zub Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 11:56:00 - [14] Stop ranting on the guy. Solo PvP is not dead, but he has a very good point.
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.26 12:00:00 - [15] Solo PvP isnt dead, you just need a pilgrim with scan probes.
Tortilla Smasher The Stain Project The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.04.26 12:09:00 - [16] Edited by: Tortilla Smasher on 26/04/2007 12:05:28 RA [Red Alliance]... use alot of noob corp/RA academy corps... They bait with either a plated Phropecy or highly tanked drake.. either in a belt or on a gate. You attack it, it locks you down while the rest arrive. 1/2 usually in system, half usually next door. Once you been caught/know about it, it doesnt happen anymore but if you dont know of the RA noob-wagon then a rookie corp phropecy/drake is a juicy (if ultimately deadly) target -- This is a signature. Un-hijacked since forever *emo-tear
Kassi Dee	Posted - 2007.04.26 12:32:00 - [17] k
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.04.26 12:37:00 - [18] Originally by: H Zub Stop ranting on the guy. Solo PvP is not dead, but he has a very good point. i'm confused. the op simply says solo pvp is dead, thanks RA. you say solo pvp is not dead. where was his good point again? DE
H Zub Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 12:46:00 - [19] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: H Zub Stop ranting on the guy. Solo PvP is not dead, but he has a very good point. i'm confused. the op simply says solo pvp is dead, thanks RA. you say solo pvp is not dead. where was his good point again? DE CCP made lots of changes to the game mechanics over the years, each one of them promoting larger gangs. So solo pvp (and small gang pvp) is slowly dying. Still confused? The Hunter Hypnotized
Podruski Reflex.	Posted - 2007.04.26 22:52:00 - [20] thanks illusha.. i lost that post. yess.. it is very dead. Theres no such thing as a fair fight alone anymore, PERIOD. Nobody pvps solo except other pirates. Lets get rid of sentries in low sec, add a challenge for carebears. give the solo pirates a chance to kill anywhere. Honestly.... and darkelf....shhhh your corp is contributing to the era of 10v1. I have respect for Veto because of Verone, dont ruin it because your idea of pvp is ****** in the ass.
Ja'kar Templar Securities and Holdings	Posted - 2007.04.27 14:06:00 - [21] RA? dont u mean W0
Rillion Myers Gallente Hell's Horsemen Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.04.27 14:31:00 - [22] 1 on 1 fighting should be reserved for two knights jousting to impress a Lady, not an open ended online game about war and industry. Ask Seamen or Soldier if they would rather fight an enemy one on one or have back up. I'd rather have back up. I NEVER fight alone in low sec unless I absolutley have to due to lack of experience and equipment. It's just throwing away ISK.
Logi3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.04.27 14:40:00 - [23] Its not dead, although its harder then it was 1+ Year ago. You just have to be willing to travel nowadays. If you cant be bothered traveling, then what do you expect?
Kailiao The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.27 18:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Rillion Myers 1 on 1 fighting should be reserved for two knights jousting to impress a Lady, not an open ended online game about war and industry. Ask Seamen or Soldier if they would rather fight an enemy one on one or have back up. I'd rather have back up. I NEVER fight alone in low sec unless I absolutley have to due to lack of experience and equipment. It's just throwing away ISK. Learn to pvp Instead of pressing buttens, and leaveing to go watch tv, becouse the 15 mates with you, means there is very little risk, witch imho, makes pvp, fun, not boreing, killmail hog fests. Is solo pvp dead, allmost, but it's still around, if you look real hard. Isk is ment to be thrown away, i'd rather lose an expensive ship solo, in an exciting fight, then dock and log in the same ship, after 2-3 hours of boreing gate camps, or 15v1's. You will never know, how good you can be, unless you take risks. And the more people who relize this is just a game, and loseing a ship, doesn't mean you suck, and that killmails mean ****, the more people will be in low-sec, putting there ships and hard earned money on the line. Don't camp gates and blob, becouse all the cool kids are doing it, learn to fit your ships, and aquire skills, to pvp, i garentee we will see what people are really made of. 1 last thing, anyone you ask, what are the best fight's they have ever had in the game are, %90 of them will tell you it consisted of 3 ships or less. That's my point. Flame away.
General Coochie Gallente The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.04.27 18:55:00 - [25] Its around. But ppl rarely go into 1v1 fights unless they think they got 90% chance of winning. Im glad Im flying a rather unusual ship wich ppl underestimate everytime.
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.27 19:31:00 - [26] 1.PVP is not dead. The issue about one on one honor bound pvp crap is just that crap. I sit at a SS scan the belts, find a target, crash the party and Kill. Simple. There is your one on one. No 10 paces and shoot, just your basic non consensual prison courtship. 2.Blobs happen, especially in war. We have to work with in the parameters we are given in this game. We go to win not loose and I am bring everything I got to beat every ounce of fight out of you!! Its war.... 3.And Druknin Ops with your M8s in your 300 something mil Drake out for a night of killing and Mayhem is a kick in the ass. Who cares about the cost...if you are worried about the cost and loosing your ships just stay in and play station simulator. And yea the best fights I have had have been in small gangs or hunting alone.
Fallen SEAL Gallente Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.27 23:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Dr Slice (i.e. more hit pts across the board and soon heat management) seriously? you mean i have to manage my heat levels...in space...where its like -150 Kelvin? _________________________________________________________________________ ...And There Will Come A Time Where The Sins Of Man Become Too Great To Be Ignored
Rillion Myers Gallente Hell's Horsemen Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Kailiao Edited by: Kailiao on 27/04/2007 18:38:28 Edited by: Kailiao on 27/04/2007 18:36:25 Originally by: Rillion Myers 1 on 1 fighting should be reserved for two knights jousting to impress a Lady, not an open ended online game about war and industry. Ask Seamen or Soldier if they would rather fight an enemy one on one or have back up. I'd rather have back up. I NEVER fight alone in low sec unless I absolutley have to due to lack of experience and equipment. It's just throwing away ISK. I usually fight in small groups, not 15, and yes I take risks. I have had losses and I have had victories, and I know exactly how good I am. If this game was a 1 on 1 game, there would be no logistic support ships or anything of that nature. I am just pointing out that it is funny that people with vast amounts of xp and isk and confidence are offended when small bands of players with none of the fore mentioned things whip on them. Flame off. Learn to pvp Instead of pressing buttens, and leaveing to go watch tv, becouse the 15 mates with you, means there is very little risk, witch imho, makes pvp, fun, not boreing, killmail hog fests. Is solo pvp dead, allmost, but it's still around, if you look real hard. Isk is ment to be thrown away, i'd rather lose an expensive ship solo, in an exciting fight, then dock and log in the same ship, after 2-3 hours of boreing gate camps, or 15v1's. Mind you, i do chose my targets well, and scout systems, tbo i don't have the massive wallet to keep replaceing ships, but at the same time, i don't need 7-10 people to help me kill a myrm in my harb, if i lose i lose, i say gf, learn from my mistakes, and move on. Flying with corp mates is very fun, and drunkin vent chats are even better, but we don't go out in 30-man ops every day, just to stroke our e-peen, we split up, and see what we can kill, in small gangs, or solo. You will never know, how good you can be, unless you take risks. And the more people who relize this is just a game, and loseing a ship, doesn't mean you suck, and that killmails mean ****, the more people will be in low-sec, putting there ships and hard earned money on the line. Don't camp gates and blob, becouse all the cool kids are doing it, learn to fit your ships, and aquire skills, to pvp, i garentee we will see what people are really made of. 1 last thing, anyone you ask, what are the best fight's they have ever had in the game are, %90 of them will tell you it consisted of a small gang or solo,That's my point. Flame away.
Zhett Haukes Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Fallen SEAL Originally by: Dr Slice (i.e. more hit pts across the board and soon heat management) seriously? you mean i have to manage my heat levels...in space...where its like -150 Kelvin? I didn't think you could get below 0 Kelvin... (sorry) I find solo pvp quite often in my faithful Rifter. My newest tactic is sitting by a gate and waiting for people to engage the flashy red guy. This backfired the first time I did it though after I podded the guy who started a fight with my and got bbqed by the sentries ("but he started it!"). I also still find targets in belts, just have to look hard and be patient.
Podruski Reflex.	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:19:00 - [30] Its sad to see a profession which takes the backseat in every equation. With the newest speed nerf, you have truly made gank the most efficient tactic in the game. How fun is a game of no loot, no rush, no gain? Who benefits when you blast a ***** battleship to smitherins with 15? Its ***** sad. Thats not pvp... I have been pirating for well over a year and a half... so next person who tries to explain to me how they get kills is going to make me scream.

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