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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 02:09:27 -
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How about creating a faction currency.
Handle isk like regular items. So banking would only work within amar space for example So if you leave amar space you need to have cash with you if you want to buy something in jita. So you neef to choose a bank from each faction if you switch bank it takes. X time to transfer money to the new account. 1. This could be a huge isk sink due to cash destroyed in pvp 2. New professions in banking and isk howling. 3. New opportunitys for scammers.
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Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
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Posted - 2017.02.18 02:17:34 -
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use plex.... |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2017.02.18 02:57:05 -
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We already have a faction currency, LP. I'm pretty sure that creating Amarr Dollars or whatever it would be called is probably in violation of some CONCORD treaty anyway.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.18 02:57:27 -
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and all trading in eve was further pushed to jita
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
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Posted - 2017.02.18 03:11:50 -
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*ahem* Why? |
Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.02.18 03:47:36 -
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ISK = Interstellar Kredits
In lore the entire point if ISK is that it can be spent anywhere. The various empires have their own currency, but no Capsuleer would ever accept it as payment. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.18 06:01:47 -
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oh is that what it means in game i always just read it as Icelandic Kr+Śna
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 10:03:26 -
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Faction currency is probably the wrong word. I mean faction banking So you might have the state bank of amar Caldari credit bank Minmatar financial institute. Galente Bank
Could also imagine Bank of soe Interstellar concord bank And so on
So you're banking only works on stations your bank hase sovereignty. Much like the faction NPC corps.
So you could ether transport cash from dodixie to jita or pay a tax for money transfer to a foreign bank that will paid out as cash.
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 10:07:37 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:*ahem* Why? Isk sink Scamming New professions
Cash in the cargo would add danger
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2017.02.18 10:09:51 -
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Van Doe wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:*ahem* Why? Isk sink Scamming New professions Cash in the cargo would add danger But we all bank with the SCC, and they already charge us tax for using them for transactions. That isk sink already exists. |
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 10:12:40 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Van Doe wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:*ahem* Why? Isk sink Scamming New professions Cash in the cargo would add danger But we all bank with the SCC, and they already charge us tax for using them for transactions. That isk sink already exists. Tell me about how you destroy isk by shooting people?
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 10:17:38 -
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Also I suggest charging tax on money transfer to a other toon if you don't share the same bank. To avoid using alts to work around this.
Handling cash will still be tax free.
And at this point people are going to howling cash (because greed) between the major trade hubs.
If you sell items on a foreign market you get paid in cash. Maybe also taxed.
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 10:26:20 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:ISK = Interstellar Kredits
In lore the entire point if ISK is that it can be spent anywhere. The various empires have their own currency, but no Capsuleer would ever accept it as payment. Wow you are so smart. I bet you're mother is proud of you.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2017.02.18 10:34:02 -
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Made me chuckle as it perfectly describes what drivel you just posted.
That aside, I don't think you understand banks or have not had a look into where big banks on our planet (even inside a single country) have subsidiaries and counters.
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 10:38:56 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote: Made me chuckle as it perfectly describes what drivel you just posted. That aside, I don't think you understand banks or have not had a look into where big banks on our planet (even inside a single country) have subsidiaries and counters. I don't think you understand that eve is a fictional game. There is nothing faster than light is not even on your planet.
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 10:51:53 -
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People buy ships and amo that is right and they do pay tax on it that is right. The thing that is Absolutely incorrect is that the taxes are paid depending on the destruction of items.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2017.02.18 10:57:58 -
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Care to explain how is it incorrect? Without destruction of the items, there would be no taxes paid because no one would buy items.
Van Doe wrote:I don't think you understand that eve is a fictional game. There is nothing faster than light is not even on your planet. What I tried to explain is that even in our times, banks already are way ahead of your conception of money transfer. Or have you ever heard of Bitcoin? The fancy virtual currency that you do not physically have in your pockets but only in form of bar codes on your phone or a strip of paper. And in this fictional context of EVE, I doubt I have to explain to you that you do not run around any longer with gadgets and instead use your neural implants to do these money transfers of virtual currency. Furthermore, since EVE is a fictional setting, I do not think you understand that aspect very well. Else, would you care to explain why someone would physically transport ISK (which do not even exist in a physical form, just saying) from one system to another if you can transport their value via the Fluid-Router-Network of the stargate network from one system to another faster and more reliably?
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 11:15:05 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Care to explain how is it incorrect? Without destruction of the items, there would be no taxes paid because no one would buy items. Van Doe wrote:I don't think you understand that eve is a fictional game. There is nothing faster than light is not even on your planet. What I tried to explain is that even in our times, banks already are way ahead of your conception of money transfer. Or have you ever heard of Paypal, that fancy money service that lets you pay bank independent? Or of Bitcoin? The fancy virtual currency that you do not physically have in your pockets but only in form of bar codes on your phone or a strip of paper. And in this fictional context of EVE, I doubt I have to explain to you that you do not run around any longer with gadgets and instead use your neural implants to do these money transfers of virtual currency. You want to turn something that already works perfectly well in the fictional context into something that does not work and is not explainable with any sort of logic or illogical approach. Furthermore, since EVE is a fictional setting, I do not think you understand that aspect very well. Else, would you care to explain why someone would physically transport ISK (which do not even exist in a physical form, just saying) from one system to another if you can transport their value via the Fluid-Router-Network of the stargate network from one system to another faster and more reliably?
So you are telling me if someone is shooting someone else even in null. They should be banned for x years and pay reparations? Because our law and justice system is way ahead of eve's?
And congratulations you figured out physical isk dose not exist. If only my suggestion was about that.
And why they transport. See above aka taxes aka greed. Also my bank changes on my transfer to a foreign country even if its the same currency.
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 11:34:14 -
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The logic. 4 factions hostile to each other. Or do you think the usa and is having good banking relationships?
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.18 11:48:36 -
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I'm pretty sure the US dollar works just about anywhere, actually. Visa/Mastercard too. You really don't need to carry cash most of the time. Hell, with apple/google pay you don't even need to carry your damn card anymore.
Now. We do indeed have four major factions. We also have international (intergalactic?) agreements between them in the form of CONCORD. Which includes the SCC, the organisation that handles all trade in space stations and all of our banking. Which is a nice lore reason not to make actually playing the game really, really irritating.
I live in Delve. In space controlled by Goonswarm Federation. How would I be able to actually have isk anymore under your proposal? |
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 12:02:17 -
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Danika Princip wrote:I'm pretty sure the US dollar works just about anywhere, actually. Visa/Mastercard too. You really don't need to carry cash most of the time. Hell, with apple/google pay you don't even need to carry your damn card anymore.
Now. We do indeed have four major factions. We also have international (intergalactic?) agreements between them in the form of CONCORD. Which includes the SCC, the organisation that handles all trade in space stations and all of our banking. Which is a nice lore reason not to make actually playing the game really, really irritating.
I live in Delve. In space controlled by Goonswarm Federation. How would I be able to actually have isk anymore under your proposal?
Ya right I bet isis are a American express premium customer. And don't give a damn about cash to buy guns. Instead they use American express gold.
Options to get mony in Delve. You could have physical money If the you have permission to a station you pay transfer tax or if the bank on that station is friendly to your bank proceed as usual. If you got got into a situation someone is forcing you to pay them x amount of isk transfer as usual pay tax if his bank is hostile to yours.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2017.02.18 12:41:42 -
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Van Doe wrote:So you are telling me if someone is shooting someone else even in null. They should be banned for x years and pay reparations? Because our law and justice system is way ahead of eve's?
And congratulations you figured out physical isk dose not exist. If only my suggestion was about that.
And why they transport. See above aka taxes aka greed. Also my bank changes on my transfer to a foreign country even if its the same currency. Care to explain what the criminal code has to do with monetary policy and financial transaction policies?
If your suggestion is not about transporting something that is not available physically, what is it about? In order to get money, I simply use my wallet. That is what virtual money like ISK is all about: universal, instant availability when you need it where you need it. Your "idea" a marathon backwards for no practical or theoretical benefits whatsoever.
Why transport something that is only handled by a single bank? Capsuleers do not deal with the national empire banks, they only deal with the universal SCC, which does not care about borders or different national entities.
Taking your signature into account, however, I think the only thing you want to achieve with this redundant topic (yes, many people before you have suggested physical ISK and they all failed to provide a single solid reason how this would improve the game, just like you failed), it is as Danika said: You have nothing better to do than to make the game more irritating to play for all parties involved.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.18 12:47:30 -
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Daesh is not a country. You can use a visa in Iraq (though apparently not iran because of US government sanctions) and most of the rest of the world though.
How do any of those 'options' make the game better for the people who live in sov null, or in wormholes?
I make my ISK by building and selling ships in delve, bringing stuff in from Jita as and when I need it. How does this work with any of your so called options? How would ratting work?
How would the markets even work?
What is my bank supposed to be in the back end of nullsec anyway? Or would I just use the bank of caldari like probably 90% of the rest of the game so I can continue to shop in Jita? |
Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 13:15:05 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Daesh is not a country. You can use a visa in Iraq (though apparently not iran because of US government sanctions) and most of the rest of the world though.
How do any of those 'options' make the game better for the people who live in sov null, or in wormholes?
I make my ISK by building and selling ships in delve, bringing stuff in from Jita as and when I need it. How does this work with any of your so called options? How would ratting work?
How would the markets even work?
What is my bank supposed to be in the back end of nullsec anyway? Or would I just use the bank of caldari like probably 90% of the rest of the game so I can continue to shop in Jita? Let me see someone known related to the leadership of isis using his MasterCard how he pleases. Without any restrictions.
Im pretty Shure they can't even open a regular bank account without other governments instantly confiscating all his shiny $
Markets would work as usual but if your buying in hostile territory you would have to pay cash in order to avoid tax. If your not willing to transport physical money to the hub you want to buy at you have the option to transfer money digital but pay a extra tax for that service.
So if goons hold sov over a station they still need a corp wallet and whatever bank this wallet is linked to apply what I said above. Npc stations NPC rules
Im not not sure if people living around rens are willing to have a caldar bank.
I would suggest the ether transport cash once in a while to jita to avoid tax or they buy so rarely in jita this is not worth the risk and pay the tax instead.
Why must every suggestion make life easier? If I want to play a easy game I play Barbie online.
The impact this might have transportation could be profitable. For you and third party specialized people who make this there profession.
If something goes wrong and you get ganked you might lose some tears. But don't worry someone will collect the tears and live of them. Bonus isk might get removed of the game. (good thing) If you don't take the risk. Bonus isk get removed of the game due to tax (good thing)
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 13:23:12 -
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Another thing that would be beneficial to have physical money. To pay someone without showing in your transactions. Spying might profit from it. Hey can 3bill in space to hand over some money or sation trade it to pay someone sabotage x. Isk you have in cash should not be shown in the wallet. They show up as regular items in your cargo bay / hangar whatever.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2017.02.18 13:43:15 -
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This is Eve, history shows us that any banks in Eve will be at least as bent as those in the real world.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 14:14:34 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Van Doe wrote:So you are telling me if someone is shooting someone else even in null. They should be banned for x years and pay reparations? Because our law and justice system is way ahead of eve's?
And congratulations you figured out physical isk dose not exist. If only my suggestion was about that.
And why they transport. See above aka taxes aka greed. Also my bank changes on my transfer to a foreign country even if its the same currency. Care to explain what the criminal code has to do with monetary policy and financial transaction policies? If your suggestion is not about transporting something that is not available physically, what is it about? In order to get money, I simply use my wallet. That is what virtual money like ISK is all about: universal, instant availability when you need it where you need it. Your "idea" a marathon backwards for no practical or theoretical benefits whatsoever. Why transport something that is only handled by a single bank? Capsuleers do not deal with the national empire banks, they only deal with the universal SCC, which does not care about borders or different national entities. Taking your signature into account, however, I think the only thing you want to achieve with this redundant topic (yes, many people before you have suggested physical ISK and they all failed to provide a single solid reason how this would improve the game, just like you failed), it is as Danika said: You have nothing better to do than to make the game more irritating to play for all parties involved. Under your "idea", I would have to carry around money on a roam or an op when I want to reship or buy some more ammo in a nearby NPC area, for instance. This entire scheme would not create content, it would stifle it more and more.
I can't imagine how the average eve player wich is known to be the dumbest player there is. Can wrap there heads around im going to buy in a my bank is b I better take some cash with me or prepare to pay tax. You are absolutely right eve players are not capable to understand this deep mindboggling extremely complex mechanic.
And it seams they also don't understand that nothing stops you from buying wherever they want. Its to hard if you have to decide between 3 options. Buy at home Take cash with you Pay tax
I guess that's 3 options to many for the average eve player. Since to never have to make decisions in any form. They buy prefitted ships and only the one they got told to. The only take fleet warps (probably don't even know how to warp themselves) they anchor on x to avoid the confusion over ceep at range orbit. The average eve player depends on the guy telling them wat to do an when. This guy is absolutely unique to eve and probably made it past preschool. So he might be a dr. Or prof. Of eveologie.
So jes you are right this could add complexity to the game that goal it is to be rhe game that is a one click win game. Im sorry to stress out your supreme intelligence.
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Quinn Hatfield
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.18 14:33:02 -
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Van Doe wrote:I can't imagine how the average eve player wich is known to be the dumbest player there is. Can wrap there heads around im going to buy in a my bank is b I better take some cash with me or prepare to pay tax. You are absolutely right eve players are not capable to understand this deep mindboggling extremely complex mechanic.
And it seams they also don't understand that nothing stops you from buying wherever they want. Its to hard if you have to decide between 3 options. Buy at home Take cash with you Pay tax
I guess that's 3 options to many for the average eve player. Since to never have to make decisions in any form. They buy prefitted ships and only the one they got told to. The only take fleet warps (probably don't even know how to warp themselves) they anchor on x to avoid the confusion over ceep at range orbit. The average eve player depends on the guy telling them wat to do an when. This guy is absolutely unique to eve and probably made it past preschool. So he might be a dr. Or prof. Of eveologie.
So jes you are right this could add complexity to the game that goal it is to be rhe game that is a one click win game. Im sorry to stress out your supreme intelligence.
If you're going to call people dumb in a post it's generally advisable to proofread it for basic errors, lest you make yourself appear to be even dumber than the people you're criticising.
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.18 14:41:25 -
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Quinn Hatfield wrote:Van Doe wrote:I can't imagine how the average eve player wich is known to be the dumbest player there is. Can wrap there heads around im going to buy in a my bank is b I better take some cash with me or prepare to pay tax. You are absolutely right eve players are not capable to understand this deep mindboggling extremely complex mechanic.
And it seams they also don't understand that nothing stops you from buying wherever they want. Its to hard if you have to decide between 3 options. Buy at home Take cash with you Pay tax
I guess that's 3 options to many for the average eve player. Since to never have to make decisions in any form. They buy prefitted ships and only the one they got told to. The only take fleet warps (probably don't even know how to warp themselves) they anchor on x to avoid the confusion over ceep at range orbit. The average eve player depends on the guy telling them wat to do an when. This guy is absolutely unique to eve and probably made it past preschool. So he might be a dr. Or prof. Of eveologie.
So jes you are right this could add complexity to the game that goal it is to be rhe game that is a one click win game. Im sorry to stress out your supreme intelligence.
If you're going to call people dumb in a post it's generally advisable to proofread it for basic errors, lest you make yourself appear to be even dumber than the people you're criticising. Sorry I didn't expect a genius like you read this. I travel back in time to tell my mother she should give birth to me and raise me in a native English speaking country. I'll be back last week see you then.
Ps did I suggest this mechanic would add to much of complexity?
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Quinn Hatfield
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.18 14:49:33 -
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Van Doe wrote:Quinn Hatfield wrote:Van Doe wrote:I can't imagine how the average eve player wich is known to be the dumbest player there is. Can wrap there heads around im going to buy in a my bank is b I better take some cash with me or prepare to pay tax. You are absolutely right eve players are not capable to understand this deep mindboggling extremely complex mechanic.
And it seams they also don't understand that nothing stops you from buying wherever they want. Its to hard if you have to decide between 3 options. Buy at home Take cash with you Pay tax
I guess that's 3 options to many for the average eve player. Since to never have to make decisions in any form. They buy prefitted ships and only the one they got told to. The only take fleet warps (probably don't even know how to warp themselves) they anchor on x to avoid the confusion over ceep at range orbit. The average eve player depends on the guy telling them wat to do an when. This guy is absolutely unique to eve and probably made it past preschool. So he might be a dr. Or prof. Of eveologie.
So jes you are right this could add complexity to the game that goal it is to be rhe game that is a one click win game. Im sorry to stress out your supreme intelligence.
If you're going to call people dumb in a post it's generally advisable to proofread it for basic errors, lest you make yourself appear to be even dumber than the people you're criticising. Sorry I didn't expect a genius like you read this. I travel back in time to tell my mother she should give birth to me and raise me in a native English speaking country. I'll be back last week see you then. Ps did I suggest this mechanic would add to much of complexity? You've yet to provide any reasoning for such a mechanic beyond "I have this idea, and it's great, believe me".
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